norfolkbroadslim 225 Posted March 23, 2007 Sorry, this is neither Norwich related nor football related.However, Bob Woolmer was an English sportsman and a gentleman and I am shocked to hear that his death has been confirmed as murder.I am not going to speculate or reveal my thoughts on who may have murdered him, or why he may have been murdered. I feel that that is not a debate for this forum, and would probably constitute slanderous comments.As I sit here typing this, it makes me wonder what the world is coming to.My condolences go to his family and friends.RIP Bob. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0 Posted March 23, 2007 Considering the current state of the Pakistan national team and the fact it is rotten to the core, is anyone really surprised his death has turned out to be murder?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canary cherub 1 Posted March 23, 2007 Well said Slim. My dad was a lifelong cricket fan and I''m glad he''s not here to see this. It makes me very angry, and unlike you I''m not going to refrain from stating the obvious. For a start, Pakistan should be suspended indefinitely from all competitive cricket - hold them upside down until the truth drops out in other words. It sounds as though corruption is rife in cricket, but this happened on their watch. If they weren''t directly involved someone probably knows who was.I wonder how the Ireland cricket team are feeling, given the real possibility that their game against Pakistan was fixed? How would we feel if we found that our game against Man U in the Prem season had been fixed? It''s enough to choke anyone off professional sport altogether. As long as there''s gambling on a massive scale it will never be clean. I''m not a regular gambler but I used to enjoy a flutter once in a while. Never again. Never, never again. Not even a couple of quid on the Grand National.Bob, you deserve justice and I hope you get it. RIP my friend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7rew 0 Posted March 23, 2007 I did wonder at the time he died whether it was murder, given he was being burnt in effigy in pakistan, but it is still shocking.The pakistan team may be "rotten to the core", whitness the bullying of Mohammed Yousuf (formerly Yousuf Youhana) to convert to Islam from christianity. However, I still am appalled that a murder was commited. Be it by them, a supporter of theirs, the UVF or anyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shyster 0 Posted March 23, 2007 Pakistan cricket always seems to court controversy. In the past we have had Corruption, match fixing, ball tampering, and now murder. The ICC should kick out Pakistan from world cricket, but unfortunately political correctness will win. [:@] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canary cherub 1 Posted March 23, 2007 If we think it''s only Pakistan which is cricket''s rotten apple we''re sadly mistaken imo, and a little bit prejudiced. When Hansie Cronje was fingered it was put down to an individual''s "personal weakness", now Pakistan are involved it''s "well they''re Muslims so what can you expect?". Gambling and its links with organised crime is at the root of the corruption that exists throughout professional sport - cricket, horse racing, boxing, snooker, football, you name it. It has such a hold that the governing bodies (and even governments) are powerless or afraid to act, and some may well be involved in it themselves. It has become a worldwide industry on an unimaginable scale. Every time we have our harmless little bet we become part of it. It''s your choice. Don''t gamble on professional sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted March 23, 2007 throw them out and replace them with the plucky Battling Irish.. their cricket would come on in leaps and bounds as a result and it would be good to see a "home" nation to battle it out with england in the futurejas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Master J-Do Pur 0 Posted March 23, 2007 [quote user="shyster"]Pakistan cricket always seems to court controversy. In the past we have had Corruption, match fixing, ball tampering, and now murder. The ICC should kick out Pakistan from world cricket, but unfortunately political correctness will win. [:@][/quote]Thats not political correctness Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regime Change 0 Posted March 23, 2007 I think you''re absolutely right - the ICC have been turning a blind eye to far too much for far too long - and it''s time the ICC developed a conscience.I cannot think of any other sport where race appears to be such a strong issue. Whilst New Zealand, Australia and England have called for Zimbabwe to be stripped of its test status, Zimbabwe has received the steadfast support of Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Simlarly, when the bowling action of Muralitheran was bought into question, by amongst others the Australian''s, Sri Lanka received the steadfast support for India and Pakistan. When Pakistan had there temper tantrum last summer and stormed off - India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh instantly leapt to Pakistans defence -labelling Darryl Hare a racist in the process. Its''s interesting that Pakistan got little more than a slap on the resist for failing to fulfill a test fixture - yet the ICC came down on England like a ton of bricks when they refused to tour Zimbabwe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AP16 0 Posted March 23, 2007 In regards to your first sentence megson......it actually made me laugh it was that ignorant. It isn''t a case of ''well theyre muslims so what can you expect?'' - irrespective of anyone''s race/religion a national coach has been murdered, if it was our national coach I would feel exactly the same toward the situation..... Although I do see your point with the gambling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EadiesRight Foot 0 Posted March 23, 2007 Shocking state of affairs. Bad for cricket all round, I just cant believe what has transpired. Its starting to turn into an episode of Murder She Wrote.... I remember Sky Sports announcing he was found uncouncious (which must have been fibs from the start), and then being pronounced dead, and members of the Pakistan back room staff resign.....mmmm.... I reckon its one of those dodgy betting syndicates. Similar to Escobar in the 94 World Cup Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted March 24, 2007 it very diffciult to rig a sport event unless BOTH teams are in on it i reckon... it only takes 1 lack of concentration and the whole bet fails... Say an Irish player Dropped a ball he was meant to catch.. or a Pakistan player mis hit a ball and it went for a 6 when he was meant to hit it for a risky 1..... theres so many different situations...jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0 Posted March 24, 2007 [quote user="jas the barclay king"]throw them out and replace them with the plucky Battling Irish.. their cricket would come on in leaps and bounds as a result and it would be good to see a "home" nation to battle it out with england in the futurejas :)[/quote]No need.... The Irish have already knocked them out!! And no bad thing too... Shows what happens when you set the sporting side of things as a low priority. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canary cherub 1 Posted March 24, 2007 [quote user="Safri15"]In regards to your first sentence megson......it actually made me laugh it was that ignorant. It isn''t a case of ''well theyre muslims so what can you expect?'' - irrespective of anyone''s race/religion a national coach has been murdered, if it was our national coach I would feel exactly the same toward the situation..... Although I do see your point with the gambling. [/quote]That''s because you didn''t read it properly Safri. I was making a point about some of the other posts on this subject, not saying it was what I thought myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The poster formerly known as ? 0 Posted March 26, 2007 [quote user="jas the barclay king"]it very diffciult to rig a sport event unless BOTH teams are in on it i reckon... it only takes 1 lack of concentration and the whole bet fails... Say an Irish player Dropped a ball he was meant to catch.. or a Pakistan player mis hit a ball and it went for a 6 when he was meant to hit it for a risky 1..... theres so many different situations...jas :)[/quote]The Asian betting money is laid predominantly on side bets as opposed to the result of the match. In the same way that you can bet on correct scores, HT-FT, scorers, red cards, bookings, corners passes completed etc on football matches through the major bookies in the UK, so with cricket there are many variations of betting on which millions can change hands. Examples are spreadbetting on the number of catches dropped, the number of no balls or wides a particular bowler or team make, (very easily influencable by just one player) apart from the obvious spread bets on batting scores Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hog 0 Posted March 26, 2007 Pakistan Cricket team, on their day, supposed to be the best in the world, but with drugs, match fixing and now possible murder, what is the world coming to! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sheded 0 Posted March 26, 2007 I would put a stay on any speculation until those cctv films have been digitised and analysed , the crux of the matter seems to be who visited Woolmer after the match ! don`t be too surprised if those films disappeared mysteriously ...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
