cambridgeshire canary 6,792 Posted March 30 (edited) Imagine crying this much over a flag. You're probably about to win the biggest victory your party has won in decades and you're crying over a flag. God, Labour just loves to eat themselves don't they? Does nobody remember 20 odd years ago when Labour loved the Union Flag and had it everywhere? How times change. Then again I guess that the Union Flag is not the EU, Ukraine, Scotland or LGBT flag so it's not as cool to put in their Twitter bios I suppose.. No offense intended Dylan đ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/30/starmer-faces-discontent-as-labour-mps-criticise-election-flyers-union-jacks Edited March 30 by cambridgeshire canary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naturalcynic 660 Posted March 30 18 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Imagine crying this much over a flag. You're probably about to win the biggest victory your party has won in decades and you're crying over a flag. God, Labour just loves to eat themselves don't they? Does nobody remember 20 odd years ago when Labour loved the Union Flag and had it everywhere? How times change. Then again I guess that the Union Flag is not the EU, Ukraine, Scotland or LGBT flag so it's not as cool to put in their Twitter bios I suppose.. No offense intended Dylan đ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/30/starmer-faces-discontent-as-labour-mps-criticise-election-flyers-union-jacks Sadly that just demonstrates the widespread loathing of the UK within the activist left and certain ethnic groups, although I think we already knew that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,820 Posted March 30 It does look a bit BNP when you first see it sitting on your mat to be fair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,975 Posted March 30 53 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Imagine crying this much over a flag. You're probably about to win the biggest victory your party has won in decades and you're crying over a flag. God, Labour just loves to eat themselves don't they? Does nobody remember 20 odd years ago when Labour loved the Union Flag and had it everywhere? How times change. Then again I guess that the Union Flag is not the EU, Ukraine, Scotland or LGBT flag so it's not as cool to put in their Twitter bios I suppose.. No offense intended Dylan đ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/30/starmer-faces-discontent-as-labour-mps-criticise-election-flyers-union-jacks Not at all clear why you think I would take offence to your post đ¤ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,993 Posted March 30 It does look a bit BNP-esque BUT what better way to reclaim it? After all, if the swastika can be perverted from being a Hindu symbol of good luck to being much more nefarious then what better way of reclaiming a symbol than for something much more reasonable and somewhat centrist? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,792 Posted March 30 19 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: Not at all clear why you think I would take offence to your post đ¤ Just a joke about your profile picture don't worry about it, all in good humour Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,975 Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Just a joke about your profile picture don't worry about it, all in good humour Ohhh.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fen Canary 866 Posted March 30 (edited) âhas the potential to repel parts of Labourâs core voter base.â What part of the voter base is repelled by the sight of the national flag? Even if they are, why should that be a concern for Labour? This is a perfect time to cut idiots like that adrift. They have an unassailable lead so you wonât get a better opportunity to purge the extremes who are constantly generating bad headlines such as this that cast the party in a bad light amongst the bulk of the electorate Edited March 30 by Fen Canary 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,215 Posted March 30 38 minutes ago, Fen Canary said: âhas the potential to repel parts of Labourâs core voter base.â What part of the voter base is repelled by the sight of the national flag? Even if they are, why should that be a concern for Labour? This is a perfect time to cut idiots like that adrift. They have an unassailable lead so you wonât get a better opportunity to purge the extremes who are constantly generating bad headlines such as this that cast the party in a bad light amongst the bulk of the electorate They associate the flag with the people who wanted to beat them up, who said they should go back to where they came from and the people who put dog sh!t through their letter boxes. The people who did those things usually carried the union flag & the cross of St. George.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fen Canary 866 Posted March 30 30 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said: They associate the flag with the people who wanted to beat them up, who said they should go back to where they came from and the people who put dog sh!t through their letter boxes. The people who did those things usually carried the union flag & the cross of St. George.  So the rest of society shouldnât fly it? Our major political parties shouldnât associate themselves with it, just because a few racists flew it decades ago? If some people canât differentiate between the nations flag and some skinheads then thatâs their problem as far as Iâm concerned. Itâs no different to those that link every woman who wears a hijab with Islamist terrorism. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,275 Posted March 31  Itâs no different to those that link every woman who wears a hijab with Islamist terrorism. The ones on here that do that are the ones that defend the flag the most. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fen Canary 866 Posted March 31 2 hours ago, Well b back said:   Itâs no different to those that link every woman who wears a hijab with Islamist terrorism. The ones on here that do that are the ones that defend the flag the most. So are you saying theyâre right to do so? If you imply that itâs understandable for ethnic minorities to feel uncomfortable of the nations flag due to the actions of some skinheads, is it also ok for people to be uncomfortable with displays of the Islamic faith due to the atrocities carried out in this country by those that claim to follow that religion? Personally I think being âtriggeredâ by a flag or a headdress is rather pathetic. If the sight of a nations flag upsets you then itâs probably best to move to another where youâre unlikely to come across it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,215 Posted March 31 6 hours ago, Fen Canary said: So are you saying theyâre right to do so? If you imply that itâs understandable for ethnic minorities to feel uncomfortable of the nations flag due to the actions of some skinheads, is it also ok for people to be uncomfortable with displays of the Islamic faith due to the atrocities carried out in this country by those that claim to follow that religion? Personally I think being âtriggeredâ by a flag or a headdress is rather pathetic. If the sight of a nations flag upsets you then itâs probably best to move to another where youâre unlikely to come across it If you think it's just the actions of 'some skinheads' then you're a bit misguided. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barbe bleu 832 Posted March 31 On 30/03/2024 at 10:37, cambridgeshire canary said: God, Labour just loves to eat themselves don't they?  Six months to an election. Too long for the angry and self important voices on the radical fringes to stfu, and long enough to allow them to sink the ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fen Canary 866 Posted March 31 5 hours ago, A Load of Squit said: If you think it's just the actions of 'some skinheads' then you're a bit misguided. You donât attempt to answer my question though. Whatâs the difference between ethnic minorities being uncomfortable around the flag (for the record, I doubt any ethnic minorities give a hoot about the flag and this is just another case of some white middle class Guardian types looking for offence on behalf of others) due to them associating it with the far right, and others being uncomfortable with any visual display of the Muslim faith due to them associating it with the terrorist attacks of the last 20 years? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iwans Big Toe 312 Posted March 31 (edited) 5 hours ago, Fen Canary said: You donât attempt to answer my question though. Whatâs the difference between ethnic minorities being uncomfortable around the flag (for the record, I doubt any ethnic minorities give a hoot about the flag and this is just another case of some white middle class Guardian types looking for offence on behalf of others) due to them associating it with the far right, and others being uncomfortable with any visual display of the Muslim faith due to them associating it with the terrorist attacks of the last 20 years? Oh don't worry, ALOS never answers any questions from those who challenge him. I've been trying to get an answer to my questions for months, but instead get unsubstantiated accusations with no proof rather than a response. He's either a half-wit or a troll. I just wish he would answer peoples questions so it is apparent, because by dodging them I assume he is the former.    Edited March 31 by Iwans Big Toe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites