TheBaldOne66 697 Posted January 31 41 minutes ago, Yobocop said: Same as any academy up and down the country and the fact these players leave for bigger clubs speaks volumes Even though we didn’t get much of a fee you mean. We are all told we will produce these youngsters but there seems little sign of anyone breaking through currently Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
By Hook or Ian crook 917 Posted January 31 2 hours ago, Yobocop said: He’s definitely left the club in a better place than he found it Financially that wouldn’t be hard. Similar levels of debt though just restructured and to different more friendly people. Training ground has a nice swimming pool and gym now at least though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sufyellow 223 Posted January 31 9 hours ago, Mr.Carrow said: Gunn was initially "why waste £5m on a keeper rejected by the Premier league", now rated about the best keeper in the division. Nunez starting to really look the part. Even Tzolis doing very well in Germany. The main issue was that we tried to sign "oven ready" players for much less than most Prem clubs pay and they weren't. Lots of exciting talents coming good though. The main issue was we didn't try and sign oven ready players. And I believe we spent less on individual players than anyone else in the league.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sufyellow 223 Posted January 31 5 hours ago, Yobocop said: He’s definitely left the club in a better place than he found it How much is the debt? What are current players worth, to when he started? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,221 Posted January 31 3 hours ago, By Hook or Ian crook said: Financially that wouldn’t be hard. Similar levels of debt though just restructured and to different more friendly people. Training ground has a nice swimming pool and gym now at least though. This is a very stupid assessment of the difference in the change in the training facilities, everything at Colney has been improved. Only people with blinkers on or very short memories would think it was just the gym & the recovery centre.  1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,105 Posted January 31 40 minutes ago, Sufyellow said: How much is the debt? What are current players worth, to when he started? Don’t know, don’t know. Look it up and whilst you’re there research the infrastructure of the club and training ground Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,988 Posted January 31 On 30/01/2024 at 06:56, PurpleCanary said: Well I suppose if you're that desperate to win then, yes, Big Vince does count, for the first time ever...🤩 Are you sure he can count? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
By Hook or Ian crook 917 Posted January 31 2 hours ago, A Load of Squit said: This is a very stupid assessment of the difference in the change in the training facilities, everything at Colney has been improved. Only people with blinkers on or very short memories would think it was just the gym & the recovery centre.  It was tongue in cheek about the training ground. I know a lot has been done. I am pretty sure though that regardless of who was in charge the modernisation of Colney would have taken place. So is it really that big of a deal when it most likely would have been done by anyone in the job?  When I played for the academy back in the day it was still at Trowse and can remember having to scrub the first teams boots regularly in the late 80’s early 90’s. Some were more appreciative than others. I digress point being times always change and football always evolves. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,039 Posted January 31 On 30/01/2024 at 11:24, Dr Greenthumb said: Also, being the only championship club to give him a chance in the first place and ignoring the noise after finishing 14th in his first season Ah the old "ignore the noise"chestnut, something else he was not very good at in the end............. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
By Hook or Ian crook 917 Posted January 31 3 hours ago, Sufyellow said: How much is the debt? What are current players worth, to when he started? Our squad is worth significantly more than the squad when he arrived. I don’t think we have an individual player though at the moment that is of equivalent value to James Maddison back then when adjusted for inflation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sufyellow 223 Posted January 31 2 hours ago, Yobocop said: Don’t know, don’t know. Look it up and whilst you’re there research the infrastructure of the club and training ground I could of took money out of the club pot and upgraded the training ground for a 60 thousand a year salary. Personally I will judge it on what it produces and if the players look coached well. At the end of the day it was all done on debt by the time he leaves or left. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sufyellow 223 Posted January 31 35 minutes ago, By Hook or Ian crook said: Our squad is worth significantly more than the squad when he arrived. I don’t think we have an individual player though at the moment that is of equivalent value to James Maddison back then when adjusted for inflation. He sold Pritchard, Murphy and Madison for nearly 50 million. That's without selling all the players later who were already here. With adjustment you would have trouble to sell our team for that now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Greenthumb 750 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said: Ah the old "ignore the noise"chestnut, something else he was not very good at in the end............. No chestnut, just reminding of forgotten facts….. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
By Hook or Ian crook 917 Posted January 31 50 minutes ago, Sufyellow said: He sold Pritchard, Murphy and Madison for nearly 50 million. That's without selling all the players later who were already here. With adjustment you would have trouble to sell our team for that now. I feel we’d be looking to get 50m combined for Sara and Rowe. I’m pretty sure we’d also be looking for 15m for Sargent. While I don’t think there would be much in it. I think there’s more value in the players we have now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sufyellow 223 Posted January 31 35 minutes ago, By Hook or Ian crook said: I feel we’d be looking to get 50m combined for Sara and Rowe. I’m pretty sure we’d also be looking for 15m for Sargent. While I don’t think there would be much in it. I think there’s more value in the players we have now. And in the real world, sorry to tell you Sara has not been that good, Sargent has been injury prone so far , but I think he's great. 50 million the 3 of them if you are lucky , obviously all undisclosed so we will never really know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,039 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Dr Greenthumb said: No chestnut, just reminding of forgotten facts….. Exactly, it is good to remember the good, the bad and the ugly of Mr Webber........... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Greenthumb 750 Posted February 1 9 hours ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said: Exactly, it is good to remember the good, the bad and the ugly of Mr Webber........... He was far from perfect, but just remember how bad we were when he walked in the door and how poorly funded he was from the go. The owners got off lightly because of Stu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,205 Posted February 1 10 hours ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said: Exactly, it is good to remember the good, the bad and the ugly of Mr Webber........... He did get a fistful of dollars for his efforts. High pay demands high returns. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,039 Posted February 1 5 hours ago, Dr Greenthumb said: He was far from perfect, but just remember how bad we were when he walked in the door and how poorly funded he was from the go. The owners got off lightly because of Stu I do not disagree, we have a great training facility (although I will reserve judgement on Soccer Bot and we must remember it was the fans* who funded the redevelopment), a couple of saleable assets (maybe more if some of the younger signings turn out to be very good), but, at the time of writing, our on field prospects look a pale imitation of the two Championship winning years. *I know some do not think it matters but I think he drove a wedge between the club and the fans, maybe some of them who invested in the redevelopment are amongst the 20%, a fair proportion of those that renew their Season Tickets will be. So for me his legacy will be started out well, but went downhill, had a "muck spreader" player acquisition strategy (to quote my late dad when talking about my darts ability, one dart in treble twenty, one in one and one missing the board altogether),and thought he was bigger than the club............. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Vince 319 Posted February 3 Today's game proves the OP correct. After Rowe; Sainz, Sara and Sargent are the most saleable assets and all thanks to the boy Webber. Not forgetting the underwater treadmill he built at Colney too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
