nutty nigel 7,535 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said: Perhaps you would be good enough to remind us who the club owner was when we DID get relegated to the 'third tier' in 2009? It came in 2009 so the present owners. Now for balance perhaps you could tell me how many trophies have been won since and how many PL season's the present owners have managed? Edited October 20, 2021 by nutty nigel 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,985 Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, nutty nigel said: It came in 2009 so the present owners. Now for balance perhaps you could tell me how many trophies have been won since and how many PL season's the present owners have managed? The World Cup, Champions League, FA Cup and 6 Premier League titles. Delia and Michael are the best owners any club could ever have and will win us more trophies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bristol Nest 513 Posted October 20, 2021 5 hours ago, king canary said: Those four fixtures 'from hell' include teams currently 11th and 12th FYI. Do you think that those teams will finish 11th and 12th? It is still early. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Vince 318 Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: It came in 2009 so the present owners. Now for balance perhaps you could tell me how many trophies have been won since and how many PL season's the present owners have managed? No major trophy has been won since 1985. Chase managed 9 years out of 10 in the top division. 90% success rate. The Suffolk Socialists have managed 7 years out of what will be 26 by the end of this season. 26.92% success rate. So there is your balance - heavily in favour of Chase. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
komakino 272 Posted October 20, 2021 21 hours ago, Tetteys Jig said: Clearly there has been progress but it doesn't excuse the fact we have 2 points from 8 games... we need to be better than that. Even if we do go down, surely we should be good enough to give it a proper fight. Most of the losses are excusable but the Watford one stung and we haven't made up for it yet with other unexpected points. Farke will go down as a legend no matter what happens but that doesn't make him immune from criticism so long as its constructive and fair. Farke will not have legendary status until or if he manages to work out what needs to be done in the EPL. He cannot be placed in the same level as Stringer, Walker, Lambert or even Bond, Saunders or Brown. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,535 Posted October 20, 2021 92/93 3rd 93/94 12th 94/95 20th 95/96 36th Thank the Lord for Geoffrey Watling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,606 Posted October 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, The Bristol Nest said: Do you think that those teams will finish 11th and 12th? It is still early. Honestly I can see Arsenal finishing midtable. I'm not denying they were difficult games but I think 'from hell' is stretching it a touch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yellow_belly 226 Posted October 20, 2021 Chase was far better that Delia… and so was the football during this decade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Vince 318 Posted October 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: 92/93 3rd 93/94 12th 94/95 20th 95/96 36th Thank the Lord for Geoffrey Watling. And what about 86-92? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Vince 318 Posted October 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, yellow_belly said: Chase was far better that Delia… and so was the football during this decade. Well there you go - what have I been saying all these years? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,535 Posted October 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Big Vince said: And what about 86-92? Pre Premier League. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Vince 318 Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, nutty nigel said: Pre Premier League. See my earlier remark about the invention of football in this country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,535 Posted October 20, 2021 40 minutes ago, Big Vince said: No major trophy has been won since 1985. Chase managed 9 years out of 10 in the top division. 90% success rate. The Suffolk Socialists have managed 7 years out of what will be 26 by the end of this season. 26.92% success rate. So there is your balance - heavily in favour of Chase. Chase didn't win a major trophy. In fact the league cup in 1962 and 1985 is the only so-called major trophy we have won in 120 years. Not sure it could be classed as that in 1962. We have won the second tier 5 times. 3 of those under this ownership. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,985 Posted October 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: Chase didn't win a major trophy. In fact the league cup in 1962 and 1985 is the only so-called major trophy we have won in 120 years. Not sure it could be classed as that in 1962. We have won the second tier 5 times. 3 of those under this ownership. How many relegations under their stewardship? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,415 Posted October 20, 2021 48 minutes ago, Big Vince said: And what about 86-92? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norwich_City_F.C._seasons Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,535 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Midlands Yellow said: How many relegations under their stewardship? Can anyone get pleasure from following a club via Wikipedia? For me it's all about the experience I have at games. The last ten years have been a great time to have a season ticket. Except for last season. Which I didn't enjoy at all. The binners laugh at you for clinging on to a third place finish and losing FA cup semi finals. FFS Wimbledon had 14 consecutive top flight seasons, 7 of which were PL, and won an FA Cup. I wouldn't want to be you. Edited October 20, 2021 by nutty nigel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,673 Posted October 20, 2021 2 hours ago, king canary said: I agree you can't really compare the eras but it is still interesting to look at the root causes. I'm not claiming Brentford or Sheffield United as evidence for anything. I'm genuinely unsure of my own opinion on this so the question I originally posed is genuine, not anything loaded. I wish I had the answer because if I could answer it then I'm sure Webber already would have done. Personally, I agree with what another poster said in that I think Farke got it wrong at the start of the season. The three midfielders didn't work and with the lack of pre season and awful fixture list we would have been better starting of defensively solid as we have been doing now. If the fans would have accepted that at the start of a season I have no idea. Had we won against Brighton I would have been fairly content with our points haul all things considered. As it is we didn't, and I genuinely don't know how much we're progressing because Burnley was an example of backs to the wall, and competing physically. It was good to see we're capable of doing that, we didnt show it once two years ago. Brighton was a step in the right direction but Farke is right when he said it was only a small step. Its typical that the next fixture is Chelsea - it means we have to wait and see really what direction we're going in, whilst hoping we do well enough against Chelsea to not dent the confidence again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,985 Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: Can anyone get pleasure from following a club via Wikipedia? For me it's all about the experience I have at games. The last ten years have been a great time to have a season ticket. Except for last season. Which I didn't enjoy at all. The binners laugh at you for clinging on to a third place finish and losing FA cup semi finals. FFS Wimbledon had 14 consecutive too flight seasons, 7 of which were PL, and won an FA Cup. I wouldn't want to be you. No answer again then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,535 Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said: No answer again then. Answer to what? I asked a question that nobody has answered yet. Including you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,415 Posted October 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: Can anyone get pleasure from following a club via Wikipedia? Hope that snipe wasnt directed at me NN and my links ive provided to details, as you requested, I have had a season ticket for over 10 years, and this is my second stint at the club. Marriage / children / work and the associated expenses stopped me in the interim, but I was still a casual when I could. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
komakino 272 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, nutty nigel said: Chase didn't win a major trophy. In fact the league cup in 1962 and 1985 is the only so-called major trophy we have won in 120 years. Not sure it could be classed as that in 1962. We have won the second tier 5 times. 3 of those under this ownership. Chase didn't win a trophy, but we were in the top flight for almost all his tenure - and floating around the top for some of that - I love some of Stringer's sides - and we were also in Europe. Great times. Chase could have slagged off the Top Tier/EPL and the fans as Delia has done, but didn't. He was far from perfect and had to go, but surely that's better than flirting with the lower leagues as Smith & Jones did? Yes they can take some of the credit for getting us back to the EPL, albeit in limited form, but their heart isn't in it in my opinion and we seem to be going through a moral phase of supposedly 'doing things the right way', but if that is being bottom of the league, then it (still) isn't working. Edited October 20, 2021 by komakino Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,535 Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, komakino said: Chase didn't win a trophy, but we were in the top flight for almost all his tenure - and floating around the top for some of that - I love some of Stringer's sides - and we were also in Europe. Great times. Chase could have slagged off the Top Tier/EPL and the fans as Delia has done, but didn't. He was far from perfect and had to go, but surely that's better the flirting with the lower leagues as Smith & Jones did? Yes they can take some of the credit for getting us back to the EPL, albeit in limited form, but their heart isn't in it in my opinion and we seem to be going through a moral phase of supposedly 'doing things the right way', but if that is being bottom of the league, then it (still) isn't working. Chase went 25 years ago. Anyone under 60 that's probably half their supporting life. At what point would you think about recognising what that was at the time it was in and start enjoying what we have had since? Enjoy yourself, it's later than you think... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,985 Posted October 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: Answer to what? I asked a question that nobody has answered yet. Including you. What’s the question? I’ll have a go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,535 Posted October 20, 2021 You already had a go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,985 Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, nutty nigel said: You already had a go. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
komakino 272 Posted October 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: Chase went 25 years ago. Anyone under 60 that's probably half their supporting life. At what point would you think about recognising what that was at the time it was in and start enjoying what we have had since? Enjoy yourself, it's later than you think... It's good to compare any era with another, because it shows what was or could be achieved. Nobody gets a free pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,535 Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Midlands Yellow said: Everyone deserves a 2nd chance. Not you. I stopped giving them after your 76th Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,985 Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, nutty nigel said: Not you. I stopped giving them after your 76th Fair enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,535 Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, komakino said: It's good to compare any era with another, because it shows what was or could be achieved. Nobody gets a free pass. Talk about the binners and history... Oh... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,415 Posted October 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: You already had a go, but didnt give the answer I wanted, so ive ignored it Ive corrected that for you NN! 11 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said: Everyone deserves a 2nd chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
