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[lake district canary 4,878]

Love that we are trying to be more aggressive with a 433, but it is not yet working as well as it needs to. BUT it will improve as more players get up to speed and new players gel with the others.  What appears to me to be the issue is that the 433 needs to be quicker at adjusting when necessary - players have to get back and defend quicker or at least be more aware. 

Look at the build up to Lecicester's second goal. When Gilmour was caught out on the right touchline, then no-one was aware enough to spot the danger and we don't even have three players in central midfield, with four Leicester players in front of it. I can't see who it is in the centre circle, but he is ball watching and not reacted.  Leicester effectively have four players in front of our whole midfield.  It is something that should be able to be addressed and we should see improvements.  It's yet another of those goals where build up on the left has seen a complete lack of cover on the right. Needs sorting. 

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by lake district canary

[FenwayFrank 2,718]

I don’t think yesterday was so much about the formation, Leicester found it too easy to run past two or three of our players at a time without a proper challenge. We need to be stronger in midfield as a group.

[RugbyCanary 107]

Ieanacho 'walking' round Gilmore just sums it up. Useful player but for the way we're set up, doesn't suit him. 

[Thirsty Lizard 3,227]

I don't think the relative positioning is an issue at all if Gilmour had defended the situation properly. In your still Leicester have got 3 players in front of the ball and we've got 4 players behind the ball. He dived in on Iheanacho and got beaten. He then made a half hearted attempt to grab his shirt, but didn't actually get him. Basically he just needed to grab his shirt properly and stop Iheanacho going any further. Farke said exactly this in the press conference afterwards. (Given that it was right on the touchline and only just inside our half he might have even got away without being booked). 

I realise that in what I've said above I'm condoning cynical play, but every other team in the Premier League does it all the time so we've just got to do the same. 

 

[Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,960]

We were very open at times yesterday. Leicester went from defending in their box to being at our back four in a flash on several occasions - I fear this will happen all season. Not sure 4-3-3 is the answer for us in this league.

DCM is a must, whatever some may say....hopefully we can then find a brighter day. 🎶

OTBC

[lake district canary 4,878]

36 minutes ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

I don't think the relative positioning is an issue at all if Gilmour had defended the situation properly.

But we have seen at least five goals from similar positions this season and this was less incisive than the Man City goals, in that Leicester were slower to get the ball over to the right, but it was the same result. Too many players too far forwards.

[Petriix 3,250]

I'm not convinced by the 3 in midfield - both tactically and the personnel. Gilmour clearly has bags of potential but is far from the level required to start every game in such a crucial position and, right now, hes more of a liability than an asset.

Lees-Melou has also failed to impress me. I know it's early in his Norwich career but he seems a yard off the pace at times and gets bypassed in both attacking and defensive phases.

We need someone to come looking for the ball when we're playing out from the back, comfortable receiving and distributing under pressure and able to create openings. I'm not sure any of them are doing this effectively.

It's clear to me that we're missing having a number 10 to give us another line of attack. Someone to drop short between the lines and receive the ball and to give the opposition defenders something to think about while Pukki looks to run off the last man.

I thought that we'd already addressed the defensive deficiencies of our previous Premier League campaign by adjusting the midfield system (albeit subtly). I can't understand why we've abandoned the system we had worked so hard to perfect.

[Thirsty Lizard 3,227]

1 hour ago, lake district canary said:

But we have seen at least five goals from similar positions this season and this was less incisive than the Man City goals, in that Leicester were slower to get the ball over to the right, but it was the same result. Too many players too far forwards.

Lakey three weeks ago - we shouldn't be afraid of anyone, we need to go out, be brave and attack teams.

Lakey today - we've got too many players too far forwards. 🤦‍♂️

[Ward 3 498]

1 hour ago, lake district canary said:

Love that we are trying to be more aggressive with a 433, but it is not yet working as well as it needs to. BUT it will improve as more players get up to speed and new players gel with the others.  What appears to me to be the issue is that the 433 needs to be quicker at adjusting when necessary - players have to get back and defend quicker or at least be more aware. 

Look at the build up to Lecicester's second goal. When Gilmour was caught out on the right touchline, then no-one was aware enough to spot the danger and we don't even have three players in central midfield, with four Leicester players in front of it. I can't see who it is in the centre circle, but he is ball watching and not reacted.  Leicester effectively have four players in front of our whole midfield.  It is something that should be able to be addressed and we should see improvements.  It's yet another of those goals where build up on the left has seen a complete lack of cover on the right. Needs sorting. 

 

I've been told on another thread you can't use still pictures towards an argument mate, so please remove yours.. 🤣. I like the aggressive approach but not us at the moment. Dont have the midfielders to do it. Should of stuck with 4 2 3 1 until we got the bigger ball winners to go 4 3 3 

[lake district canary 4,878]

51 minutes ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

1 hour ago, lake district canary said:

But we have seen at least five goals from similar positions this season and this was less incisive than the Man City goals, in that Leicester were slower to get the ball over to the right, but it was the same result. Too many players too far forwards.

Lakey three weeks ago - we shouldn't be afraid of anyone, we need to go out, be brave and attack teams.

Lakey today - we've got too many players too far forwards. 

These are not contradictory statements. You can still be brave and attack but have a regard to defence too. It's about getting the balance right.

[Ward 3 498]

5 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

These are not contradictory statements. You can still be brave and attack but have a regard to defence too. It's about getting the balance right.

Attack is the best form of defence.

 

Apart from norwich in the Premier league.

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[Capt. Pants 5,152]

3 hours ago, lake district canary said:

 

 

Still photos tell a thousand lies but I still look for the 'ghost of Ollie Skipp' in the middle of the pitch.

Not sure what Gilmour is doing, or why we have such a high defensive line against a counter attacking team like Leicester. 

So much to learn.

[Dr Greenthumb 801]

2 hours ago, lake district canary said:

But we have seen at least five goals from similar positions this season and this was less incisive than the Man City goals, in that Leicester were slower to get the ball over to the right, but it was the same result. Too many players too far forwards.

That’s not too many players too far forwards. That is poor awareness of your surroundings. Plenty back on your picture in question.

The full backs are dropping too central for my liking in games. Leaving plenty of room and time for grealish on the ball.
 

Aarons did it a lot vs Man City. 

Williams is doing it here on their winger. 
 

Its poor tactics in my opinion and all of our good attacking ideas aren’t coming into play as much this season, due to new personnel and this change of formation. I get the players are getting used to each other, but I’m not having another season where they have another excuse (disrupted pre season) for the whole term. This needs looking at on the training pitch instantly.

[Phllip J Fry II 0]

Norwich had actually switched to a 4-2-3-1 by this point in the game, so not cetain this is the best example of your overall point?

This particular goal actually probably doesn't happen if Norwich were still playing the usual 3 across the middle of the field.

Edited August 29, 2021 by Phllip J Fry II