Chris Wilder Has A Plan!

[norfolkbroadslim 223]

https://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/canaries-rival-chris-wilder-premier-league-cut-off-thoughts-1-6609312

I somehow think that if Sheffield United were in our position and we were in their's that he would not have this 'plan'!

[norfolkbroadslim 223]

“I don’t think there should be a cut-off,” he said. “English football and European football will want to finish the season. I believe there will be an ability next year to adjust with international breaks, moving a few games into midweek and extending the season.

“That gives us the ability through organisation and planning to finish this current season off."

 

I'll give him credit for doing a very good at Sheffield United.  But saying there shouldn't be a cut-off is just stupid and would cause no end of issues as has been widely discussed on here previously. His opinion no doubt influenced by Sheffield United having a chance of getting into Europe this season.

[ricardo 7,395]

It doesn't matter what he thinks. The cut off is coming.

[Bill 1,788]

I;m not sure what would be issued - but if the money doesn't come through because 25% of the games aren't played then it will be goodbye to football as we know .... for the time being

I would expect most PL clubs would go bust taking out so many below who are owed money - that assumes Sky etc don't have around £400m to hand over

on;; by playing the trest of the season can there be any hope of survival

[Bill 1,788]

6 minutes ago, ricardo said:

It doesn't matter what he thinks. The cut off is coming.

not for the PL  it isn't

[norfolkbroadslim 223]

2 minutes ago, Bill said:

I;m not sure what would be issued - but if the money doesn't come through because 25% of the games aren't played then it will be goodbye to football as we know .... for the time being

I would expect most PL clubs would go bust taking out so many below who are owed money - that assumes Sky etc don't have around £400m to hand over

on;; by playing the trest of the season can there be any hope of survival

Don't agree with any of that.  You seriously can't see there being any issues if there was no cut-off to this season?  There would be much more of a financial impact if there was no cut-off to this season and next season was also affected as a result. Not to mention the other issues that continuing this season indefinitely would create.

[Bill 1,788]

oh dear - so PL clubs won't be affected by losing 25 % of their TV money.....because you don't agree with that

 

ps do let me know what is being issued, and by who

[norfolkbroadslim 223]

The Times reporting that at least half the PL clubs will vote today that season ends on July 1 at the latest, irrelevant of whether or not all of the fixtures have been played.

[norfolkbroadslim 223]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-premier-league-clubs-are-pushing-for-july-1-finish-to-season-0smzk7v9d

[JF 694]

7 minutes ago, norfolkbroadslim said:

The Times reporting that at least half the PL clubs will vote today that season ends on July 1 at the latest, irrelevant of whether or not all of the fixtures have been played.

Can’t read the article as it’s paywall but does it say anything on how the season is to be concluded if it can’t be finished? Null and void, final standings ect

[norfolkbroadslim 223]

I can't read the full article either just saw the first bit.  Hopefully someone can paste the full article here.

[Bill 1,788]

4 minutes ago, JF said:

Can’t read the article as it’s paywall but does it say anything on how the season is to be concluded if it can’t be finished? Null and void, final standings ect

err...............download Moxilla Firefox browser

look in add ons for Bypass paywall - download and you can read all the blocked papers....Telegraph, Times. FT etc

 

and yes it is safe - and Forefox is a better and safer browser than Google or Microsoft

Edited April 16, 2020 by Bill

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,821]

16 minutes ago, norfolkbroadslim said:

Don't agree with any of that.  You seriously can't see there being any issues if there was no cut-off to this season?  There would be much more of a financial impact if there was no cut-off to this season and next season was also affected as a result. Not to mention the other issues that continuing this season indefinitely would create.

Correct. I'm sure that impacting on next season and the finances that come with it would cause more problems than voiding this one. 

One agreement that could potentially be reached with Sky is that they pay most of the remaining money this season (if they have the cashflow to do so) but then get a discount for future seasons. Their current contract is worth around £1.5bn per season until 2022, so if they are able to pay this season as normal (or close to it) then they could get a reduction on future years, or even the 2022-2025 contract should they win it. They could use this as a huge bargaining chip to get the 2022-2025 contract on favourable terms.

[JF 694]

7 minutes ago, Bill said:

err...............download Moxilla Firefox browser

look in add ons for Bypass paywall - download and you can read all the blocked papers....Telegraph, Times. FT etc

 

and yes it is safe - and Forefox is a better and safer browser than Google or Microsoft

Thanks but don’t think it works on iPhone by the looks of it. If it does I can’t find out how

[Bill 1,788]

The Times

At least half the clubs in the Premier League will push for the season to finish on July 1, even if it does not leave enough time to play all the remaining games, in what could be a pivotal meeting tomorrow.

While there had been a collective desire to complete the season, however long it took, club executives now fear that the matter of expiring player and staff contracts is becoming impossible to resolve. “We are in danger of entering chaos territory,” a Premier League club insider told The Times.

Fifa has introduced measures enabling clubs to extend contracts for players whose deals are due to expire on June 30. But legal experts have said this is impossible to enforce under English employment law without the player’s consent, enabling them to leave if they have a move to another club lined up.

For many clubs, negotiations with players over wage deferrals are proving difficult enough, but the contract situation is causing greater angst. It has led, The Times understands, to at least half the clubs entering private discussions about a proposal to draw a line under this season on July 1, however late matches resume. With the government expected to extend the lockdown until at least May 7, it is unlikely that clubs would return to action much before the start of June, even if matches are played behind closed doors.

Nevertheless, there is confidence among some executives that the 14-club majority required to push through such a proposal under Premier League rules would be achieved if it went to a vote that would be held at a later date.

 

There are 92 remaining Premier League fixtures. While clubs recognise an incomplete season could undermine the integrity of the 2019-20 season, they regard the potential movement of players before all the matches have been played as even more damaging.

However, clubs have not had any discussions about how a final table — which would govern European places, relegation and payments for finishing in each position — would be agreed, a matter that is likely to prove controversial. There is also a feeling that if the season cannot start before mid-June, there is no point in starting and then stopping a couple of weeks later.

As The Times reported last week, players including Pedro and Willian, of Chelsea, Bournemouth’s Ryan Fraser and Jan Vertonghen, of Tottenham Hotspur, would be able to defy the Fifa directives and leave their clubs before the season has been completed. Fifa said contracts could be “extended until such time that the season does actually end”, with the player’s present club taking precedence over a new employer and a recognition that the contracts are timed for the traditional end of one season and the start of another. Fifa recognises that employment law in each country could be a factor and sports lawyers have outlined the difficulties of enforcing the measures. Nick de Marco, QC, who has been appointed by the Professional Footballers’ Association to advise on contractual matters, told Sky Sports that “legally, they cannot be forced to continue to play for the club”.

Premier League clubs are continuing to thrash out wage deferral agreements with their players to mitigate the financial impact of the pandemic.

Members of Arsenal’s executive committee have volunteered to waive a third of their salaries over the next year in a move that will increase pressure on their players to take deferrals. The decision of all 14 executives, including the head of football, Raul Sanllehi, and the managing director, Vinai Venkatesham, to forgo a percentage of their salary was announced with confirmation that no staff will be furloughed.

On Monday the first-team squad rejected a proposal for players to take a 12.5 per cent reduction in salaries over the next 12 months. Arsenal’s players will only accept an offer to defer wages, with total player salaries standing at £16 million, but the club says discussions have been “productive” so far. Southampton and West Ham United are the only Premier League clubs to have agreed deferrals.

The Times understands that one club towards the bottom of the table has proposed a deferral deal in which players would only be reimbursed fully should they stay in the Premier League

Newcastle United and Norwich City are the only Premier League clubs using the government’s scheme, after U-turns by Liverpool, Spurs and Bournemouth. Arsenal say they will not be using the scheme.

The Arsenal defender David Luiz says Mikel Arteta, who has been setting players “homework”, has the potential to become one of the world’s best coaches. “I always had the dream of working with [Pep] Guardiola,” Luiz said in an interview with ESPN Brazil. “I couldn’t work with him, but I’m having the opportunity to work with a person who learnt and was victorious with him, who has the same ideas.”

Meanwhile, Newport County, of League Two, yesterday furloughed their players, management team and most staff.

The SPFL’s proposal to end the lower league season in Scotland was finally given the go-ahead yesterday after Dundee voted in favour of the plan. Their original ‘no’ vote was not received in time to count last Friday but yesterday they said yes to the plan which means the Championship, League One and League Two end immeditately. The Premiership could follow suit, wich could mean Celtic being handed their ninth successive title.

How to work out table if season is not completed
Premier League clubs are pushing for the season to end on July 1 regardless of whether the remaining fixtures can be completed. Given that not all teams have played the same number of games, a formula will need to be devised to resolve key issues such as the Champions League places and relegation. With Manchester City banned from Europe next season, fifth place would ensure Champions League football. Bill Edgar outlines three ways the final table could be calculated.

Option one
Points per game
The most straightforward way to calculate the standings, with teams’ current points totals divided by their games played to give a points per game figure. The only change to the current table would be Sheffield United and Arsenal, who each have a game
in hand on most of their rivals, leapfrogging Wolves and Tottenham. Goal difference is used to separate any teams level on points per game, so Watford and West Ham would be saved, with Bournemouth going down.

Champions League places Liverpool, Leicester City, Chelsea, Man Utd
Europa League place Sheffield United
Relegated Bournemouth, Aston Villa, Norwich City

Option two
First meetings this season
Only matches from the first 19 rounds of fixtures are counted to avoid differences in opposition — for example some teams have played strong sides such as Liverpool and Manchester City twice, while others have only faced them once.

The problem with this method is that it does not account for current form, meaning that Watford would be relegated based on poor results before their upturn in fortunes after Nigel Pearson arrived
in December.

Champions League places Liverpool, Leicester, Chelsea, Man Utd
Europa League place Sheffield United
Relegated Aston Villa, Watford, Norwich City

Option three
Predict the remaining fixtures
Teams’ home and away form this season can be used to predict any unplayed game. For each fixture, the home team’s average points per home game is compared with the away team’s average points per away game, with extra weighting for the past five home and away matches respectively.

If one team’s figure is at least 0.2 greater than the other, they are winners. Otherwise, the match is drawn. Under this model Sheffield United versus Wolves, which was due to be played on Sunday, would go down as a home win — with United having an average home points score of 1.8 and Wolves an away score of 1.4.

Champions League places Liverpool, Leicester, Chelsea, Sheffield United
Europa League place Man Utd
Relegated Watford, Aston Villa, Norwich

[ricardo 7,395]

I got as far as Bill Edgar outlines three ways the final table could be calculated and then rolled up laughing🌞🤣

 

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,821]

9 minutes ago, Bill said:

How to work out table if season is not completed

Premier League clubs are pushing for the season to end on July 1 regardless of whether the remaining fixtures can be completed. Given that not all teams have played the same number of games, a formula will need to be devised to resolve key issues such as the Champions League places and relegation. With Manchester City banned from Europe next season, fifth place would ensure Champions League football. Bill Edgar outlines three ways the final table could be calculated.

Option one
Points per game
The most straightforward way to calculate the standings, with teams’ current points totals divided by their games played to give a points per game figure. The only change to the current table would be Sheffield United and Arsenal, who each have a game
in hand on most of their rivals, leapfrogging Wolves and Tottenham. Goal difference is used to separate any teams level on points per game, so Watford and West Ham would be saved, with Bournemouth going down.

Champions League places Liverpool, Leicester City, Chelsea, Man Utd
Europa League place Sheffield United
Relegated Bournemouth, Aston Villa, Norwich City

Option two
First meetings this season
Only matches from the first 19 rounds of fixtures are counted to avoid differences in opposition — for example some teams have played strong sides such as Liverpool and Manchester City twice, while others have only faced them once.

The problem with this method is that it does not account for current form, meaning that Watford would be relegated based on poor results before their upturn in fortunes after Nigel Pearson arrived
in December.

Champions League places Liverpool, Leicester, Chelsea, Man Utd
Europa League place Sheffield United
Relegated Aston Villa, Watford, Norwich City

Option three
Predict the remaining fixtures
Teams’ home and away form this season can be used to predict any unplayed game. For each fixture, the home team’s average points per home game is compared with the away team’s average points per away game, with extra weighting for the past five home and away matches respectively.

If one team’s figure is at least 0.2 greater than the other, they are winners. Otherwise, the match is drawn. Under this model Sheffield United versus Wolves, which was due to be played on Sunday, would go down as a home win — with United having an average home points score of 1.8 and Wolves an away score of 1.4.

Champions League places Liverpool, Leicester, Chelsea, Sheffield United
Europa League place Man Utd
Relegated Watford, Aston Villa, Norwich

Where's 'void'?

[Bill 1,788]

It still all hinges on the TV companies to cough up a few hundred million otherwise

gurgle gurgle they go down the plug hole

and for us it is a loss either way as had we sold some of our youngsters in January there would not be the money to pay what's owed - and this will likely hit transfer fees this summer

[Bill 1,788]

1 minute ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

Where's 'void'?

first line you quoted

 

[norfolkbroadslim 223]

4 minutes ago, ricardo said:

I got as far as Bill Edgar outlines three ways the final table could be calculated and then rolled up laughing🌞🤣

 

Some bloke who has no influence suggests 3 options for what could happen.  Whilst not covering all of the likely scenarios and no mention of void.

[Bill 1,788]

7 minutes ago, norfolkbroadslim said:

Some bloke who has no influence suggests 3 options for what could happen.  Whilst not covering all of the likely scenarios and no mention of void.

oh dear

if the season is voided so will the remaining TV games money a;ong with the merit award and "5% of the shatred TV money

and if relegation follows we would have that black hole plus a much lowered transfer market

we nearly went under last time down... we most likely would this time were the season to be void

[ricardo 7,395]

9 minutes ago, Bill said:

oh dear

if the season is voided so will the remaining TV games money a;ong with the merit award and "5% of the shatred TV money

 

No point pursuing this down the plughole, the games are never going to be played so the money has gone.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,821]

23 minutes ago, Bill said:

first line you quoted

 

I don't see it. The 'void' option would be to start afresh if this season never happened, no?

[Making Plans 936]

Meanwhile in other news the BBC are reporting this as their main story -

Significant social distancing needed 'until vaccine found'

Edited April 16, 2020 by Making Plans

[City 2nd 191]

1 hour ago, ricardo said:

It doesn't matter what he thinks. The cut off is coming.

Certainly agree with you there Ricardo. With it now being said that “social distancing will have to remain in some capacity” until a coronavirus vaccine is available, football doesn’t stand a chance. There will be no footballing end to this season, with next season in doubt too,  if this is the case!

[City 2nd 191]

1 hour ago, Bill said:

not for the PL  it isn't

I wouldn’t bet on that after today’s announcements!

[Capt. Pants 4,248]

6 minutes ago, Making Plans said:

Meanwhile in other news the BBC are reporting this as their main story -

Significant social distancing needed 'until vaccine found'

Just have to play 5 a side on a full size pitch. That should help.

[Van wink 2,994]

3 minutes ago, City 2nd said:

Certainly agree with you there Ricardo. With it now being said that “social distancing will have to remain in some capacity” until a coronavirus vaccine is available, football doesn’t stand a chance. There will be no footballing end to this season, with next season in doubt too,  if this is the case!

The season is as dead as a parrot and has been since games were suspended. 

[Bill 1,788]

9 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

I don't see it. The 'void' option would be to start afresh if this season never happened, no?

I think the void option is so far pf the scale with the PL that it has not been included - it takes you into so many contractual problems that there would certainly not be a 20/21 season as it would take so long to sort out

wit the irony being that there is so much bleating about football behind closed doors could not happen becayse how naughty it would be...whereas court sessions involving 20 seperate litigants would be ok !

[City 2nd 191]

1 minute ago, Capt. Pants said:

Just have to play 5 a side on a full size pitch. That should help.

Don’t think it’s the playing personnel that matters so much as every other seat in the stadium having to be empty!