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  1. In your stand against those who feel the current owners can no longer take the club forward, you have repeatedly reiterated that there are no billionaires lining up to buy the club and even asked those with differing opinions, to list potential buyers to substantiate your stance, er go your point is, nobody wants to buy the club! Yet in this current exchange with Til, your retort to his point is that she could have sold the club at anytime for a healthy profit, which would imply you believe there are lots of potential buyers out there? I don’t need to point out the contradiction in these two statements I’m sure! Perhaps Til only posts when the club are doing badly but at least his opinion is consistent and doesn’t change to win an argument!
  2. I don’t think Til wants it both ways! His opinion has always been clear and concise. You on the other hand have been exposed for making contradictory statements and clearly want it “both ways”????
  3. This should be Delia’s and MJW mission statement for for the club
  4. Agreed Wolf but the only inclination to their intentions in the public domain has been that Telegraph interview, as well as that ridiculous interview on sky where Delia admissions were, that the money in the EPL “irked her” and she never wants to sell! Whether that was playing up to the media, who knows but it sent out a pretty clear statement of intent! I don’t doubt that the club may be open to external investment, but who is going to invest on their terms, which I speculate, would be investment without any controlling interest! If my speculation is even remotely close to the truth, is it any wonder there have been no takers! What is without doubt is they have never put the club up for sale as if they had, it would be public knowledge.
  5. Agreed Wolf but the only inclination to their intentions in the public domain has been that Telegraph interview, as well as that ridiculous interview on sky where Delia admissions were, that the money in the EPL “irked her” and she never wants to sell! Whether that was playing up to the media, who knows but it sent out a pretty clear statement of intent! I don’t doubt that the club may be open to external investment, but who is going to invest on their terms, which I speculate, would be investment without any controlling interest! If my speculation is even remotely close to the truth, is it any wonder there have been no takers! What is without doubt is they have never put the club up for sale as if they had, it would be public knowledge.
  6. Alex I doubt anyone can list the names of potential suitors to buy NCFC, as such a thing doesn’t exist! I think what us ‘muppets’ are looking for is the current owners to admit they can’t take the club forward and thus, start the process to engage intermediaries, to attract suitors! In our previous exchanges you struck me as an intelligent poster, so surely you understand that this is a slow process but nonetheless, a process that to date, hasn’t been entertained by the current owners.
  7. VAR was brought in to remove human error! Humans review VAR footage and make more errors! Oh the irony
  8. The internet doesn’t allow for the subtleties of sarcasm but Nutty is this a joke, or are you actually supportive of a poster that admits the current owners cannot take the club forward? If it’s the latter I need to take a seat
  9. I’d rather drop out of the top twenty trying to succeed, than accept the current top 26 model, which is the limitations of the current owners! Norwich are very successful at being a mediocre top 26 side, which is not a very ambitious target, by definition! Guess it’s all about personal expectations!
  10. Agreed Alex Cheers Oh Nutty, I wasn’t suggesting you thought I was a lesser fan, I was just generalising It would be boring if we all agreed which this particular topic is proof of
  11. I said I personally have only used Leicester as a comparison, please don’t misquote me! They are a reasonably good comparison in club size, fan base, history and before the current Thai owners took charge, their financial clout. For many many years they also yo-yo’d but then they opened up to owners who had the collateral and ambition to make them a top six side and would you believe it, they succeeded! Now along come those who will quote all the failed foreign ownership, but my point is was ‘ambitious’ of Leicester to take the risks and not settle for mediocrity! How is being a top 26 club ambitious? That comment stinks of keeping expectations down and pacifying the fans, which lets admit isn’t hard, as so blatantly evident on this message board. How is being top 26 ambitious? ambition is to succeed, be better than you can be and take some risks to achieve it, which none of these characteristics are displayed by our current owners, who seem quite happy for the club to tread water between 17th in EPL and 6th in the Championship! I think Delia’s heart is in the right place and as custodian of the club she wants to ensure it’s kept local and is around as a community club forever, but as a business model in a world of ultra wealthy owners/clubs, it’s naive! To use an analogy, Delia wants Norwich to be the community corner shop, with local owners for local people but still hope we can compete with Tesco and Sainsbury at the same time. In this current football age a club’s location, fan base, history is irrelevant and only investment will elevate a middle size club to greater things! So to answer your question Nutty, I want an owner that doesn’t see top 26 as NCFC limitations, I want an owner than can financially support the club and doesn’t have to go begging to fans to pay for a new training ground, I want an owner who see’s the club breaking into the established elite and I want to owner who can make the club thrive, not merely exist, that’s AMBITIOUS!! What I’m tired of is ownership that cannot take the club forward and compete at a higher level, yet stubbornly refuse to relinquish power! As this thread and many before it have emphasised, what I want is clearly not what the majority want but that doesn’t make me any lesser of a fan! So let’s just agree to disagree! Cheers Nutty
  12. There will always be peaks and troughs in football! Outside of the big established clubs, there will be times all teams falter, regardless of financial standing! Man City & Newcastle have both dropped to League One in recent times! The EPL cash cow is so fat all teams will struggle with the drops in revenue on relegation. I for one have only ever used Leicester as a example of what could be achieved but the point that’s trying to be made, is that some of those teams (not all) at least made an sustained effort to remain an EPL club and most did manage prolonged periods as EPL clubs before their ultimate demise! Now I fully expect certain people to come along touting the “but spending too much will financially ruin the club, just look at Bolton et al” doctrine, however I don’t recall any of us deemed ‘anti Delia’ ever advocating over spending gerzillions £££££££ and jeopardising the future of the club for all, just a proportionate spend to at least give the club a chance of mounting a challenge this year, instead of the half a$ed, defeatist, we are paupers and have no money culture, that Farke and Webber reiterate in every press conference! When you go into a season expecting to be the worst, is it any surprise that you are! That culture resonates down from the top down and I for one am amazed that Farke and Webber want to be part of it. Again people will come along and quote the transfer failings of Klose and Naismith but I think Jim Smith has addressed that in his post above. Ultimately if Norwich go down but come back stronger financially and on the pitch, the model has worked! If they don’t and they sell the best players to survive and lose the best management Team in the process, then it hasn’t. Hoping on the youth system to reliably churn out future superstars to replace all the sales is not guaranteed! I want nothing more for it to be the former but suspect it will be latter, only time will tell! Below is the definition of ambition, have any of the boards actions going into the EPL reflect this? ambition /amˈbɪʃ(ə)n/ Learn to pronounce noun a strong desire to do or achieve something. desire and determination to achieve success
  13. I think appointing Marcelo Bielsa, an internationally acclaimed coach, signifies the ambition of Leeds ‘current’ owners! I really don’t think Jim Smith has an argument to answer and I personally support his stand
  14. I guess that is the crux of the matter! Some see promotion, followed by instant relegation as punching above our weight and a success, whilst others see it as missed opportunity, borne out of lack of ambition and a failure! The only thing we can agree on, is that we’ll never agree
  15. I never doubt for a second, every fan’s desire for the club to be successful! Its the loyalty and support of the owners and model, that can not deliver permanent success due to the financial limitations, that I perceive as negative! To have faith in such a system seems delusional, rather than optimistic! I would like nothing more than in 12 months time, someone to repost this and say “I told you so” when City are sealing promotion back to the EPL! Unfortunately, recent history would suggest, that we’ll have our brief moment in the limelight, before sinking in to mediocrity for a prolonged period!
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