NewNestCarrow

Because the upgrades to Colney were vital and relatively straighforward to complete. Whereas making CR bigger is not at all vital and would be a nut-ache of massive proportions (cost, relocation, time-scale)

The attendance was about 9,000 more than Watford's next-highest gates that season (Oxford, QPR, Millwall) Of course, in those days, home fans usually turned out in bigger-than-normal numberes when the division leaders came to town. So, 9k away fans is probably a reasonable estimate.

Kieran Maguire is very good and has found himself a very comfortable niche but, I can guarantee you, there are multiple occasions when he claims to be knowledgeable on something when he most definitely is not! There is no figure in the NC accounts that allows him to calculate an Average Weekly Wage. There used to be a bit of a hint (post-Chase openness saw them publish a "% of all costs for football dept") but that was discontinued after 2018/19. I expect that the club will argue that they need to keep such figures confidential, as if most football agents don't have a pretty good idea of what most players earn!

Apparently David Cuffley (former ECN journo) raised this point with Goreham a couple of weeks ago. It was then mentioned on Michael Bailey's podcast and Cuffley then appeared on Scrimmage to make the point in person. But there are lots of anniversaries coming up, and how many Celebrations are too many? [ LC Win (60), NCFC Formation (120), First Wembley Appearance (50)]

Why would a 23 yr-old, non-international signed from the Spanish second tier be on anywhere near the same money as a 29 -year-old with 70 caps and top-flight experience in Germany & Scotland & European competitions and who was signed on a Bosman (where the absence of a transfer fee is reflected in a higher wage)? Experience & leadership mean a lot in football, and I would think that Pukki, Hanley, Krul, Drmic & Byram were bigger earners than Emi.

As Badger said, there are many posters on here (and non-posting fans) who fail to realise this. This is where the vast majority of the money goes! Here's an interesting comparison: Huddersfield finished bottom of the PL while paying £64,175,649 in Staff Costs. Sheff Utd finished bottom of the PL while paying £61,750,000 (est due to 11-month accounting-period) in Staff Costs. Norwich finished bottom of the PL season (19/20) and paid £82,084,000 (est due to 13-month accounting-period) in Staff Costs.

Okeydokes. Well, I'll take your word above NNC's at this point... Gosh, if only I had made this point. "[ Note: PA & Pink Un both reported that Blackburn were paying 2k of Trybull's 22k salary" Looks like I did! 🤪

No, no, no, no, no. The 26m and 67m are both for the Championship season. Our PL wage was 89m

Unpicking, pt 2: Your belief that lower league clubs pay their youngsters the same as Norwich is fundamentally illogical. The business of football is a pyramid, and the income & expenditure at the top are massively bigger than those at the bottom. When Dan Adshead swapped Rochdale (turnover £6m) for Norwich (turnover £120m) it goes without saying that his weekly wage increased. If you maintain that his wage did not increase then where is the incentive for him to move from his home-tiwn, and to lose the opportunity for first-team football? The official announcement of Nizet's departure made no mention of any fee. Let me know where this was stated, and how much was paid by an Italian second-tier club for a player to go into their U19 squad. These are not the age of players that will generate huge incomes. That's how youth football works While our nine were going for nowt, Chelsea sold six players from their U23s for an est £35m in fees. That is how the hoard & loan model works.

So much, so very much to unpick. Yes, I am sure about that figure. "Loan player wages and salaries are included in other employment costs" You don't seem to want to believe what is in the club accounts. Both figures are in Thousands, and 4,842k is what the accounts say. Again, you are casting doubt on figures from the club accounts. Trybull is not an Academy player, so not part of the initial discussion here. Notwithstanding, if you really believe that Blackburn (wage bill of £26m) pays the same as Norwich (wage bill of £67m) then your mind is made up. [ Note: PA & Pink Un both reported that Blackburn were paying 2k of Trybull's 22k salary, and nether club corrected it. Even if you take Trybull's post-relegation wage of 10k (minimum) it is clear that Blackburn were paying a small percentage] Skipp etc are irrelevant to the subject of "Webber's youth signings"

Rereading it again, you are prob right. So, loan player income (we are guessing, loan fees received) = 639k Other employments costs (including our contribution to loaned player wages, plus what we paid to incoming loan players) = 4,842k Clearly we were making a huge loss on the loans of Drmic, Klose & Trybull

We signed Coker & Riley last season. Riley was 250k and Coker was undisc. You are right, of course. People can believe anything they like, even if common sense (or even facts) indicate otherwise. We know that the English TV deal is the richest in the world. And we know that Norwich pay wages that reflect this. Here is a list of the clubs that we loaned players to last season. You tell me which of these would have paid full wages to the player in question? (1st team) - Basel, Blackburn, Charlton, Coventry, HNK Reijeka, Karlruher, Milton Keynes & Waasland Beveren (Development) - Bury T, Eupen, Harrogate, IA, Kidderminster, Leiston, Kings Lynn (x2), Mechelen, Orient, Oviedo, Queen of the South, St Mirren, Slough & Telstar The way that Chelsea & Man U make money from the hoard & loan scheme is because a) some players go on loan to clubs with PL cash (like us!) and b) they sell Reserve players for big fees. Nine players left our Development squad last summer. In all cases their contracts expired or were cancelled early. So not a single one generated a Fee.

So you are saying that it was better to spend £300k on Husband, give him a 3-yr deal then chuck him out on loan for most of that time than get in a loan with no long-term commitment?

I have heard this claim before, but I just don't buy it. I think folk are just trying to put lipstick on a pig. We signed Bushiri from Belgian top-flight as an U21 international We allegedly paid EU100k for his services, plus agents fees and, it is to be assumed, the player got a hefty pay-rise (we were a PL side) Year 1: Bushiri went out on loan to a D3 club (Blackpool) & then back to the Belgian top-flight. The season was cut short due to covid. I can't see either of these deals producing much of a loan fee or major contribution to his wages. And every move sees an Agent getting paid. This was also the last season that Bushiri was involved with the Belgian national set-up Year 2: Bushiri went back to Belgian top-flight on loan, switching again mid-season. His season was cut short due to injury. Year 3: Trialled at D2 Coventry, but not progressed. Spent first half of this season with Andy Hughes' Go-Away Squad', making three U23 appearances. In Jan got a loan to top-flight Scottish club Hibs (whose entire wage bill is 2.5 times what Pukki gets at Norwich) So, a player signed by an English PL club is going out on loan to much poorer clubs, while his international progress has stalled & he has suffered from illness & injury. Are we really making money from this? I honestly can't see it. For season 2020-21 Norwich received £639,000 in loan fees & wage-contributions. Across the 24 loan deals (!) you can see that we are really not bringing in that much. Happy to be corrected if anyone has any actual figures.

You mean like when we had Jamal Lewis in the building and went & signed James Husband as first-choice LB?

"Didn't that used to be the case?" No idea. If it was then the club have singularly failed to make this known. Certainly the minutes of the OSP make no mention of retail outlets having ticket-capability. The OSP minutes are also fulsome in their praise of Online Chat. Is that still an option or has it been turned off?

It appears that our local neighbours have also closed their Ticket Office to personal callers. Clearly customer service is now secondary to the demands of players & their agents, so I think we need to be creative. Might a solution be to suggest that each Retail outlet doubles as a ticket office (with trained staff & relevant equipment)? That way, for those that need in-person help, there is an option. Incidentally, I tried to telephone the Ticket Office on Monday, at 3pm. But apparently all the queues were full! They are obviously running a very skeleton staff.

It is always about you, isn't it? Always. Time to move on.

"Assistant sporting director Neil Adams, finance director Anthony Richens, commercial director Sam Jeffery and legal and governance director Sam Hall have been appointed to the executive committee. The quartet join the existing members of the club’s executive committee, Ward and sporting director Stuart Webber."

Since 2002 - when you became a shareholder - Andrew Turner, Sharon Turner, Alan Bowkett, D McNally, S Phillips, Stephen Fry, Jez Moxey, Ed Balls and Tom Smith have all been appointed as Directors, without requiring general shareholder approval. . What did the Company say when you raised these previous unilateral appointments with them?

"....what the issue is that is suposedly causing all these people to quit?" It may be that another local (ish) employer is beefing up its back-office functions and correcting years of administrative neglect. Maybe some folk want a new challenge or are being offered better Terms & Conditions.

12 people have engaged with this thread (via posts or reactions). You and two others would be lifted by McLean's exclusion (25%) Nine have not agreed with you (75%)

Your maths is way off, so far. At this stage just 40% would be lifted by McLean being excluded from the line up (2 of 5 posters agree with your view)

That works for their game at Burnley then. Just 3 others to squeeze in....