So I wasn't wrong about Malky

[FatMan Fat 0]

Not so long ago I posted that NW had fallen out with Malky.  It happens that I do know influential people in the Club and this was told to me some time ago.  Whilst on balance NW is proving himself to be a good manager there are far too many times that he "freezes" certain players out.

Malky was one on the mainstays of our promotion drive, and was voted by the Eastern Counties Newspaper Journalists - who see every match - as our outstanding outfield defender of last year.

Despite that, and despite his recent excellent reports whilst playing for Scotland, he gets booted out without even being given a chance this year.

Sorry, but that is NOT good management - this is a bad day for N.C.F.C.

[YankeeCanary 0]

Do me a favor FatMan and, as i have asked you previously, prick this "balloon of delusion" you have about your own level of knowledge of what constitutes good management.  Of course, there are many on this message board who have mixed feelings about the situation with Malky. This is being adequately covered on another thread. If you have such influential friends at Carrow Road why don''t you give us the benefit of a little more insight as to what''s behind the "freeze out" you refer to. Good managers, a class that Worthy belongs to, do not just freeze players out because they have nothing better to do that day. Unless you can amplify further ( which I very much doubt you can ), then I am more inclined to trust the management and owners to carry out what is in the best interests of NCFC.

There are all kinds of reasons why differences can occur with personnel in any working group or team. For example, after promotion, Malky may have demanded more money or benefits beyond what the club were prepared to accommodate. I don''t know what the reasons are but what I do know is Delia and company have been doing a pretty good job on exercising good management skills throughout. Let''s continue to support them.

[beelsie 0]

  Nice post...Yankee Canary, could''nt have said it better myself. Cheers beelsie

[Ayrton Twigge 0]

So Fatman, "influential" people (look up the definition - no I''ll tell you, those that may lead, are important or control) actually confide in you to tell you whats going on - so that you may broadcast it to all and sundry. I think not somehow. Perhaps its one of the ball boys or a caterer -  who knows. But certainly not someone  - "influential".

Read Robert''s book. Its possible that he was restricted in what he could and couldn''t write - but I doubt it - and Worthy comes across as a straight, direct, good humoured guy who expects everyone to pull their weight and give their all. Those that fall beyond that may have to bide there time or move on - but not get frozen out.

Sadly, Malky has now reached that point where he will at best be on the remotest fringe. But not frozen out.

Thats the problem with 12 year old "influential" people at the club - you don''t always get the complete picture.

[Plastic Scouser 0]

The welcome return of Yankee and talking sense too!Nice to see you back fella!

[no1canary 0]

does every player that leaves this club have to be linked with this ''frozen out'' statement or has had a falling out. can''t it just be that he''s out of favour because he is getting on a bit now and has no chance of knocking charlton and fleming out of the team? and its not like he was/is being chucked out because he''s not. coventry has just simply put in a good offer for him and we''ve accepted. he can stay if he wants, because im sure that he hasn''t had any kind of ''falling out'' with any of the staff (and they are adults not babies so they don''t just run off crying) and can fight for his place in the team.

but i think he/his reps realises that his chances of getting games while with norwich in the prem is very limited. so he has to think about his career, and his future. he''s had 6 great years here and he''ll be welcome back here for many years to come!

[FatMan Fat 0]

I can''t say I am surprised at some of the above replies. It seems that some people just cannot accept that other people do know influential people at Carrow Road - and I don''t require a definition to know what influential means. As a Company we put a great deal of money into N.C.F.C. each year, and that means that we get to talk to influential people at the Club because they choose to talk to us. I was told some time ago that NW had fallen out with Malky over a personal matter.  NW has done this before and it is not good management, no matter what style of management you subscribe to, to make decisions made on personal differrences.

NW is growing into a good manager but he does have a tendency to get on the wrong side of some players. 

My belief is also that it is a bad day for the Club that Malky is leaving,for the wrong reasons. He was one of our mainstays last year and who could forget seeing him sitting in the centre cIrcle with Cullum after the final home game last year - he clearly loves (loved) N.C.F.C.

[kennyfoggo 0]

I don''t know about having influential knowledge or not and I don''t care, I know somebody quite well who in facts works at carrow road. and they didn''t know a god dammed thing about malkay leaving until they read it on a web site...And knew nowt about him being FROZEN out, they said the  nearest Malkay came to being frozen was to have an ice pack on his leg..

[Pyro Pete 2,353]

Fatman Fat - For what it''s worth I appreciate your post and your opinion. I think it''s very odd that Malky has gone at this time, and a fall-out with the manager seems the best explanation.

If Malky didn''t feature in Worthington''s plans at the end of last season he would have been out through the revolving door with Iwan, Easton, Rivers and co. The revenue would have been essential for new signings.

But for Malky to feature in the pre-season gives every indication this was not the case. I don''t see much difference between Mackay''s situation and Edworthy''s. Both were expected to be pushed for their starting places by new signings. Edworthy got the chance to win his back, but it seems Malky has been denied his. I think that''s a huge shame for a player who has contributed enormously to our current position as a club. Only time will tell if this is a poor decision on Worthington''s part.

[Mello Yello 2,572]

Contrary to unpopular belief, some folk do have reliable "connections" at NCFC. A chum of mine was good friends with a former player of the club, and he on the odd occasion, would in casual conversation, say what was the "latest occurrences" (which before the vultures rip into my flesh) was not ''tittle tattle'', but good and honest information regarding the current goings on at the club. Nothing incriminating or outrageous, just what he felt he could tell his friends in confidence, and they who in turn, would respect his wishes. Rumour mongering I find, can be nonproductive and disruptive to the players and the club, and usually generated for that purpose by either journo''s or folk who want to rock the boat (mischief making). Personally it doesn''t make one that superior or more important than the average fan because: "I know some thing and it''s headline news"! Who cares! I believe it when it happens (remember the pre-Chrimbo Huckerby saga)? 

It looks like Malky is on his way as it''s on the official site, which indicates to me that it''s genuine. I for one will be awfully sad to see him go, as he had City coursing through his veins. Life goes on and the Club still exists with or without Malky  Wonder how everyone would feel if an offer for Hucks was accepted)? UPROAR!

If Fatman wants to voice his opinion, let him do so. He was correct in his comments regarding Malky and good on him. Remember, rumours are generated and released to soften the impact when the truth is finally announced. Successive Governments have been doing it for years! OTBC and GOOD LUCK to Malky

 

[gazzathegreat 0]

fatman fat

i have no connections at all at the club, but find all this very strange and take what you say about your connections at face value

i will find the loss of malky very difficult to take as i think he at least deserved the chance to prove himself, which he never got.  I don''t know, and none of us will now, if he could have been good enough in his position in the prem, i somehow doubt it against the top teams, but we don''t have much cover without him

whatever the personal issues, it will be a sad day for the club to lose a player who gave his all to the cause -  i met malky on a couple of occasions at club functions and he really is a city person through and through

good luck at coventry malky, we will always appreciate all you did for us

[FatMan Fat 0]

Thanks to Pyro Pete and Mello Yellow for their comments.  Just for the record I have been personal friends with several City players over the years.  As a good standard amateur golfer I have played many, many rounds with players past and present. I have known Duggie Livermore for well over 30 years, and he along with Duncan Forbes, Alan Black, Graham Paddon, Peter Sylvester and David Cross all came to my 21st Birthday Party way back when - Duncan and I even called our sons the same names! As I got older I had further contact with Carrow Road through commercial interests and I get to meet a lot of the senior backroom staff and marketing people.

Whilst some people might doubt my "sources" they happen to be valid, although they are not always correct - for instance I received a phone call pre-season telling me that 4 extra seats had been booked on the flight to Malaysia for new players that were about to be signed, but nothing happened. I have supported City for well over 40 years, through thick and thin, and would say that the best "man manager" we had was Kenny Brown (who I also know very well) and it is no coincidence that some of our greatest successes were in his era.

[Pyro Pete 2,353]

With today''s news that the Coventry deal is off and Malky sounding very angry, your words sound more and more prophetic Fatman Fat.

[bananaman 0]

FatMan - friend to the stars or not, you need to change your signature from "..a quite place.." to "...a quiet place..."Sorry for being picky!

[Ayrton Twigge 0]

Fatman Fat.

Apologies for doubting you fellow poster but....

You are a successful, obviously highly reputable, local businessman by your own admission. And you are very well connected.

Do the influential people in your company slag you off, criticise your management style perhaps, behind your back to your paying customers and prospects, assuming they have cause to. If they were to do that, would you care - or is that their freedom of choice.

Or would you expect them to keep their private thoughts to themselves for the good of your company.

It is that latter point that surprises me - would loyal truly influential people do that. My experience is that you get this sought of criticism from lower levels in the organisation - and the question is - how much do they really know.

[Gentleman Jim 0]

In defence of Mr Fatman the proof of the pudding seems to be in the eating, (no pun intended) he said it was so and, though it appeared unlikely at the time it has turned out to be especially with Malky''s first comments today.

I have a friend who worked for City during the Chase/O''Neill era.

He wasn''t "distinguished" but his job had him around the players all the while and the things he told me often came to light to a surprised public at a later date.

So if has any revelations in the future  I will be an avid listener !

[FatMan Fat 0]

Bloody hell - it''s almost like being vindicated

Ayrton Twigge - in retrospect I over emphasizied the use of influential -but that was because my integrity had been questioned.  The comment about Malky was made to me by a fairly senior person at the Club at a social event.  I know the person well and we happened to be at the same function, talking as friends, when he told me. They weren''t undermining City, they were just telling me something in the knowledge that I am a big fan of Malky''s.

As to whether I get slagged off behind my back at work -what do you think? Some people just love indulging in "pity parties", some people love to "blame" other people for their lack of personal success rather than accepting personal responsibility. I don''t think that will ever change.

[Creative Midfielder 2,203]

As someone whose ''objective'' (!?) views arent influenced by knowing anyone at FCR, I have to say that your original post rang true to me. Since NW took over its quite obvious that a number of players have been frozen out, perhaps for a reason, but not for footballing reasons and that is very bad management.

What I think makes the Malky situation different is that he is far more popular with the fans than the previous sufferers of this treatment, so now we have an almighty cock-up on our hands.

Malky has been treated very shabbily, which is bad enough in itself, but over the next couple of months I suspect we''ll see the results of the fall out on the pitch.

Its just not very clever is it?

[Gentleman Jim 0]

I guess we won''t know the truth until Malky has eventually made his move,(where-ever), and is "free" to talk.

[FatMan Fat 0]

Well, there is no way Malky is going to stay now - it looks like West Ham for Captain Braveheart.

It''s a crying shame but good luck to Malky, who for me will always be a hero.