Priorities are all wrong

[Vern 0]

http://www.canaries.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetails/0,,10355~1212186,00.html

Amazing. If he was an absolute waster who hung onto the underside of a channel tunnel train he would be given a house, a car etc. This guy just wants to earn a living. Give him a break.

And before anyone asks I am not a racist. I am just telling the truth.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

its those dodgy British rules on non EU players gaining work permits.  The British Government makes these rules.

Apparantly we can get an overpriced British player for a similar price.

[YankeeCanary 0]

The Priorities are certainly wrong Vern but they are not the ones you are alluding to. What in hell''s name is NCFC doing in bringing in a player and putting him on the pitch at Colney with other players ( many of whom we have to find a way of motivating to higher performances ) BEFORE they have asked the right questions. I can even hear from this side of the ocean one or two of the snickers from some of our present players.

As I understand it from Glenn Roeders comments, Iliiev would have had to have played in nine of Bulgaria''s last eleven matches to ensure the work permit would be granted but, unfortunately, he only played in two. Glenn referred to this information as "the research Norwich subsequently conducted."

Does anyone else think this is incompetence. Surely Neil Doncaster, as a lawyer, must be aware of the work permit rules. I tried to put the best shine on it for myself by considering Norwich were trying to use it as leverage on the Taylor front, but even that doesn''t work for me. 

[Syteanric 1]

Britain should of pulled out of the EU years ago! do we really need them anymore? Switzerland copes just fine with no EU involvment

jas :)

[Old Boy 0]

You''re right YC - it smacks of incompetence on someone''s behalf, and it does look like it should land at ND''s door. If it was a tactic in the Tiny war, that was poor judgement too - Birmingham would have realised that there was no chance of us signing Iliev. It''s hard to think of any positives at all. An explanation would be welcome.

[Desi Rascall 0]

[quote user="YankeeCanary"]

The Priorities are certainly wrong Vern but they are not the ones you are alluding to. What in hell''s name is NCFC doing in bringing in a player and putting him on the pitch at Colney with other players ( many of whom we have to find a way of motivating to higher performances ) BEFORE they have asked the right questions. I can even hear from this side of the ocean one or two of the snickers from some of our present players.

As I understand it from Glenn Roeders comments, Iliiev would have had to have played in nine of Bulgaria''s last eleven matches to ensure the work permit would be granted but, unfortunately, he only played in two. Glenn referred to this information as "the research Norwich subsequently conducted."

Does anyone else think this is incompetence. Surely Neil Doncaster, as a lawyer, must be aware of the work permit rules. I tried to put the best shine on it for myself by considering Norwich were trying to use it as leverage on the Taylor front, but even that doesn''t work for me. 

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the home office are constantly moving the goalposts when it comes to visa application criterea, especially when it comes to daily mail sensitive areas like bulgaria an romania. it wouldn''t suprise me if you made two enquirires to them on the same day and got two totally different answers.

 

[Boris 62]

[quote user="YankeeCanary"]

Does anyone else think this is incompetence. Surely Neil Doncaster, as a lawyer, must be aware of the work permit rules. I tried to put the best shine on it for myself by considering Norwich were trying to use it as leverage on the Taylor front, but even that doesn''t work for me. 

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Norwich not sing and even not try to sign any non EU players since many years so normally Doncaster simply no idea about this rule or may be think that we bulgarians since is already EU country not have problems and can sign easy like Strihavka did last summer.

Wonder Iliev agent who know very good english rules why need player to waste 1 week travel around to receive this news that is hard to receive visa.

[Buncey 1]

Unfortuneately for us although Bulgaria is part of the EU, both bulgaria and romania do not have the same free travel arrangements as the rest of the UK. I believe you still need to get a work permit or visa if you hold a bulgarian or romanian passport. Generally though I believe the government are more lient towards both countries in allowing workers from those countries to come to this country to work.

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

Sometimes exceptions can be made to the rules.  Maybe the home office made some promising initial noises regarding this.  Sure the club have made mistakes but they are not stupid, they wouldn''t have gone this far with a complete no chance scenario.  There must have been a glimmer of something....

[YankeeCanary 0]

Boris, there are no excuses that are readily apparent on this matter. It is the responsibility of our club ( indeed, of any business ) that they know the rules and restrictions before proceeding along the path of hiring an individual. As far as the agent is concerned, yes, he should be aware, and he should have been required to sign an affidavit to the effect that Iliev was employable in the UK. Regardless, it is the responsibility of our club to ensure due diligence took place BEFORE we make noises and put someone on our training pitch not AFTER the event. Particularly so, given that Mr. Doncaster is spending time explaining to fans in his latest newspaper column that perhaps we don''t understand how much hard work is going on into the late hours in the transfer window.

[Mello Yello 2,588]

[quote user="jimmy500"]Sometimes exceptions can be made to the rules.  Maybe the home office made some promising initial noises regarding this.  Sure the club have made mistakes but they are not stupid, they wouldn''t have gone this far with a complete no chance scenario.  There must have been a glimmer of something....[/quote]

I suppose you''d also be in agreement and sympathetic with a present ''Perma-Tanned'' Cheesy an'' right Honourable but Smuggy Government Minister, and his ''plausible excuse'' of ''unfortunate forgetfulness'' concerning donation''s - that may mean he has to relinquish his honourable position....(Till at least the heat dies down - then, he''ll be no doubt be given yet another ''job for the boy/girls'').

People are employed at Carra to sort out these such legal matters......aren''t they? 

Now, isn''t it time you got round Delia an'' Micks for tea and scones?

[chicken 0]

People - have a look at tonights Evening News article on the same issue. Roeder himself has said the deal is NOT dead - just that it would not happen in time for the Burnley game as they have to sit down and talk to the player etc.This kind of reporting is quite useless as the article on the Pink''Un site obviously only quotes Roeders first few words.

[Pudd 1]

I wouldn''t be too surprised if he''d been brought here to help negotiations with Birmingham over Taylor... something to the tune of "£1m, are you sure for Taylor..? You sure? International defenders are available for £0.75m"

[My spoon is too big! 21]

I dunno, hanging on to the underside of a train moving at well over 100mph sounds pretty heroic to me!

[Cheerio 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

 Switzerland copes just fine with no EU involvment

jas :)

[/quote]Yeah? Been to Zaziland lately?

[Cheerio 0]

The deal is not dead - if it was ever a deal in the first place.There are ways around the restrictions.... self employment etc. Its not rocket science I assure you. If the club are seriously after this guy the permit will not be a problem.As for whether the restriction is right..... too right is is. I work a lot in Romania and Turkey. Before Romania came on board I''d say 80% of the people I worked with had every intention of coming to the UK....... If Turkey gets in the floodgates will open....  even stricter restrictions will be enforced on the Turks due to (off the record naturally) religious grounds. Turkey is two countries, Istanbul and the rest. ''The rest'' is pretty scary..... anyone been to Konya? You dont want a free market, open border policy, really, you don''t.....and I speak as a socialist..