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From the outside, it seems there is a culture within the club that does not value accountability. Delia's face told the story of "how dare they question us" (backed up by a "careful what you wish for" line). This appears to endorse the current perception of an echo chamber within the club, and the apparent internal belief that everything is fine. Delia needs to remind herself of The Emperor's New Clothes when recounting the tales everyone tells her about how wonderful things are. This lack of accountability is why Delia thinks Stuart Webber is the bee's knees despite his woeful decision making since the Pukki and Buendia signings (which were both sublime). I have no doubt everyone there is working very hard. But it's the consisent sales of our best players to fund woeful transfer purchases, the loss of any style or fight in our football, and blaming the fans for these outcomes that we want answers for. We should aim to be optimistic, and work towards a brighter future. But I feel Delia expects blind, unquestioning faith which is very different and inevitably leads to failure.

I think my issue with possession based football is the quality of the players necessary to make it work. When you have Buendia and Pukki in a champtionship side its great. But even with those players, it doesn't work in the premier league, because we lack that level throughout the team. If we prioritise possession over winning games, then we can only win enough games by consistently finding gems like Buendia, and/or stopping selling our best players. However, a faster, counter attacking game seems most likely to suit a team that has ambitions to get promoted and stay there on a budget. My memory of successful versions of 'the Norwich way' is this a close-knit team: A commanding keeper. Four solid, but not spectacular defenders,. A mix of quality passing + energy in central midfield. Pace on both wings. One natural goalscorer and one bigger forward. Moving the the ball forward quickly, accurately, and mostly along the ground. The game has evolved since we've had success this way - so it maybe doesn't work anymore. But I think Brentford are the closest to a model for us to follow, and they don't prioritise possession.

Obviously Wagner will leave sometime soon. But the issues run far deeper than that - this has been clear for a long time. I've just sent this to the club... I don't expect to be listened to, but I wanted to at least say my piece:

Lol. We can pretend we deserved something out of the match and hide behind the ref''s failures. Or we can accept that Spurs were significantly better than us in every meaningful way, and realise that we need our players to perform a lot better if we''re going to survive. Kevin Friend doesn''t care if we go down. I hope, and expect, that over the next few months, our players will show that they do care by sorting out their act - especially in defence.

We conceded within 2 minutes of a home match having shipped five against Liverpool. Kevin Friend, although an utter s**t is the least of our concerns, and is not responsible for our failure.

I guess he''s talking euros

Surely the issue is exactly that... "when we really need a result, we get one"... why does it take such a desperate state for Hughton to galvanise a performance. That battling spirit should be the norm, not the exception. In fact, wasn''t it publicly quoted that the West Ham victory included experienced players stepping up at half time and ranting? In one way it''s great that they are empowered to do this, but should we be depending on it? And if so, what is Hughton''s job?David James was punditing on BT Sport last night and I was saddened to agree with him when he said Norwich were depending on individual inspiration. There is no team ethic or cohesion. The players standing by the manager because he is good to them, and they like him, but they really aren''t performing for him.No one doubt''s Hughton''s football knowledge, but he doesn''t seem to have the ability to manage people to perform to their maximum. Hughton, the staff and even the players look totally out of their depth at the moment. That''s something we never would have said about a team managed by our previous manager. We know we have the quality players - more so than ever before. We strengthened just as much as any other team in the summer, and should be competing to win games.We are currently in a ten team battle - but on recent showings, we''re not putting up much of a fight. And I''ve always been an optimistic fan!!!

[quote user="Wiz"]If everyone was fit no one imo.[/quote] I agree with this. Would prefer to see a bit of stability after a lot of transfers in the last couple of years. I think the have the necessary quality - just need to get them all working well together more consistently.

I''m ashamed by these performances. It was like lambs to the slaughter again.Not the attitude we expect from a Norwich team, and not the attitude I would expect to be tolerated by someone in McNally''s position.

I actulally thought Elmander looked lively when he came on. A goal poacher would have made no difference yesterday. the midfield and defence were too content just knocking the ball around and showing no effort to play the strikers in, against a team with ten men and no need to press. Fer was the only player that wanted to involve the strikers... The rest was mediocre, ineffective ball retention, and a few longer range pot-shots. Snodgrass looked off the pace, but wasted one great opportunity to cross with a theatrical dive.

Hull defended well, but Norwich showed very little desire to score. There no sign of any intent to get the ball into dangerous areas.. I only remember one save being made despite all of that possession. Really disappointing, and needs to improve quickly.

It''s the natural food chain... we buy Sporting Lisbon''s best player and Birmingham''s best prospect. Chelsea buy our best player.He''s too good to stay with a mid-table club for his entire career, so it will happen at some point. Would be gutted to see him go, and would prefer to hold on for a couple more seasons though.Although debt free now, we''re not a wealthly club, and £10m is a lot of money a goalkeeper, and if he battles his way in to the team there, he''d be given the chance to compete for championships and cups in the prime of his career.

[quote user="Reykjavik Canary"]But It''s 5th from last in points collected. More like lucky from a weak league than good season.[/quote]A lot of the old seasons are based on 42 matches, rather than 38.

Yes!Great character and better footballer than most of our other options. He, Holt and Becchio are our front line options. Add RVW plus a more rounded midfield and we''re in business!

Great to see a player to play with such freedom. I guess that''s the effect of his having real life experiences, and therefore understanding what''s important.... (i.e. he''s not here to pose/posture... he''s here to work hard and make it happen). I''m really hoping it comes together for him at Norwich!