Unbeilevable

[The Voice of the Thorpe Area 0]

No, not the result of todays'' game, but the reaction of certain sections of norwich fans. The teams'' today were:

Simonsen, Hoefkens, Duberry, Higginbotham, Griffin, Chadwick, Russell, Diao (Brammer 80), Hendrie (Sweeney 80), Sidibe, Fuller (Pericard 75).
Subs Not Used: Bangoura, Hill. 

Ashdown, Shackell, Fleming (Thorne 55), Doherty, Colin, Etuhu, Hughes (Eagle 58), Robinson (Gallacher 73), Drury, Croft, Dublin.
Subs Not Used: Ryan Jarvis, Rossi Jarvis.

We had Safri, Hucks and Earnie out. Now, if you take 3 of a teams best players from any side in this league out, and put them up against a line-up that include Hendrie, Diao, and which keeps Bangoura on the bench, then they will struggle. Add also the fact that there was a crushing penalty defeat (and the hard work of extra time) in midweek, and you will find that today was always going to be an uphill battle.

Yes 5-0 was not good enough. But remember, PG is no miracle worker. We have had 2 very good wins so far, let''s please not forget this, and llok forward to a good game on tuesday, where no supporters will go into the game thinking ''sack the board'', ''the players let us down and we must get on their backs'', etc.

OTBC!

[Tim Dawson 0]

I agree with you, but and here`s the but, Grant had stated he wouldnt play players out of position and he would give youth a chance, where he shot himself in the foot was by doing the opposite!!  Had he started with Eagle on the left and Rossi Jarvis alongside Etuhu, i dont think the result would have been 5-0 today had he tried that, and even if it was the use of young players in a time of crisis would have earned Grant praise from all quarters in what was a difficult day.

     Docherty and Hughes out of position was awful, Grant stated these players did not do what was asked of them, but would you ask a plumber to build a wall or a painter and decorator to landscape your garden ? No you wouldnt so why is Grant so suprised that certain players failed to do in a different position what they struggle to do in their own positions!!

 This is not an anti-Grant rant, i quite like the guy, but a £150 double trip to the potteries with two young boys would be bearable if some modicum of effort was displayed!

[Tom NCFC 0]

Why did Gallacher replace Robinson?

[macdougalls perm 0]

Yes, I am certainly not trying to get on Grant''s back as this would be preposterous so early and following the two previous excellent league results. It is simply that he did do the opposite to what he had promised and it would have given him far more credibility to have said as much and shouldered the blame in his post match interview. I think it was a serious own goal on his part to put the blame on the players for sitting back too much. Anyone with a modicum of footballing knowledge can see why the line up he selected had no choice but to sit back. So, no I am not turning on Grant in the slightest, but I don''t think he did himself any favours yesterday.  

[greenTshirt 2]

Thorpe Area ... what I find unbeliveable is Peter Grant''s attitude after the game. It was he who was laying into the players saying they let us down. If he''d come out and taken some responsibility himself I wouldnt have had so much of a problem. Yes it''s early days and let''s try and remain positive. But Grant has to realise simply slagging the players off after every game is not the thing to do. Otherwise we may have well have got Gary Megson in.

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="Tom NCFC"]Why did Gallacher replace Robinson?[/quote]

Because although he is a goalkeeper he is still a better Midfielder than Robinson could ever be!

Not really, he was subbed when Ashdown got sent off so that Gallagher could go in goal

jas :)

[Tom NCFC 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

[quote user="Tom NCFC"]Why did Gallacher replace Robinson?[/quote]

Because although he is a goalkeeper he is still a better Midfielder than Robinson could ever be!

Not really, he was subbed when Ashdown got sent off so that Gallagher could go in goal

jas :)

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I didn''t know that, how come Ashdown got send off, all I really know about the game was we lose 5-0!

[The Voice of the Thorpe Area 0]

[quote user="greenTshirt"]Thorpe Area ... what I find unbeliveable is Peter Grant''s attitude after the game. It was he who was laying into the players saying they let us down. If he''d come out and taken some responsibility himself I wouldnt have had so much of a problem. Yes it''s early days and let''s try and remain positive. But Grant has to realise simply slagging the players off after every game is not the thing to do. Otherwise we may have well have got Gary Megson in.
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Yes, I know this. But that does not mean that in the next home game we have the right to get on the players'' backs, as I stated in my original post. Regardless of how bad yesterday was, tuesday is another and different game, and we need to remember the previous 2 games which we won.

[paulbunnewell 0]

i agree with you why did he change the back 4 ,he said he wouldnt play players out of postion should have brought in the youngsters at least that would have given the team a shape .the whole team was a mess i think grant has alot to learn as a manager its abig step up from being a coach, im not anti grant but hes got what hes got judge him after 18months

[Pyro Pete 2,353]

But if as fans we do not judge Peter Grant by the same criteria used to judge Worthington, then we are hypocrites. Grant is the boss now, and must hold his up hand and accept the blame when he gets it wrong, which he did yesterday. 5-0 is  never acceptable or excusable. Simply being without Earnshaw, Safri, and Hucks should not result in a humiliation on the pitch. Yes, this is a squad Grant has inherited so we should hold fire on Grant, in the same way we gave Worthy a chance to get to know the squad he inherited from Hamilton. But Grant''s team selection yesterday undermined the players before they even set foot on the pitch.  The substitutions yesterday hinted that Grant subsequently learnt who he can and can''t rely on in the squad. I just hope he learns a bit quicker, because the transfer window seems a long way off, and he needs to make the best of what limited resources he has at present. So come on Grant, you can do better than this. 6 points out of 9 is still a fair start. Let''s have more of the effort we saw against Cardiff please!

[GMF 1,010]

[quote user="greenTshirt"]Thorpe Area ... what I find unbeliveable is Peter Grant''s attitude after the game. It was he who was laying into the players saying they let us down. If he''d come out and taken some responsibility himself I wouldnt have had so much of a problem. Yes it''s early days and let''s try and remain positive. But Grant has to realise simply slagging the players off after every game is not the thing to do. Otherwise we may have well have got Gary Megson in.
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Why shouldn''t he slag off the players after that performance. They are full time pros for god sake, so they should be able to play more than 4-4-2 and nothing else ???

If it was Worthy, he''d be singing their praises. We were cr*p and the players deserve to be slagged off 

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="Tom NCFC"][quote user="jas the barclay king"]

[quote user="Tom NCFC"]Why did Gallacher replace Robinson?[/quote]

Because although he is a goalkeeper he is still a better Midfielder than Robinson could ever be!

Not really, he was subbed when Ashdown got sent off so that Gallagher could go in goal

jas :)

[/quote] I didn''t know that, how come Ashdown got send off, all I really know about the game was we lose 5-0![/quote]

on the front page of this site is something called a "match report" read it... it will answer all of your questions!

jas :)

[greenTshirt 2]

[quote user="GazzaTCC"]

[quote user="greenTshirt"]Thorpe Area ... what I find unbeliveable is Peter Grant''s attitude after the game. It was he who was laying into the players saying they let us down. If he''d come out and taken some responsibility himself I wouldnt have had so much of a problem. Yes it''s early days and let''s try and remain positive. But Grant has to realise simply slagging the players off after every game is not the thing to do. Otherwise we may have well have got Gary Megson in.
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Why shouldn''t he slag off the players after that performance. They are full time pros for god sake, so they should be able to play more than 4-4-2 and nothing else ???

If it was Worthy, he''d be singing their praises. We were cr*p and the players deserve to be slagged off 

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I agree the players were indeed crap and didn''t do what they''d done in training. However, Grant needs to be big enough to take some of responsibility himself.  

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,223]

Jas - Be fair Tom is only 10 years old you know[:D]

[Old Boy 0]

It''s interesting that the players themselves are almost lining up to take the responsibility, and to admit that they understood the game plan, thought it was a good one, and knew their roles. They''re all saying they just didn''t implement it. So why and slate the manager? Who knows better - you or the players - whose fault it was?

[Pyro Pete 2,353]

[quote user="Old Boy"]It''s interesting that the players themselves are almost lining up to take the responsibility, and to admit that they understood the game plan, thought it was a good one, and knew their roles. They''re all saying they just didn''t implement it. So why and slate the manager? Who knows better - you or the players - whose fault it was?[/quote]      Not quite. To quote Drury in today''s press:“People will look at the formation, but everyone knew their jobs, or

said they knew their jobs when we went out on the pitch. So the only

way you get through that is to ask individual players ''Did they really

know what they were doing?''"Players not speaking their minds is one negative side of everyone wanting to please the new manager. Because Doherty clearly didn''t, as he has no track record in midfield. So cannot be expected to know his job in midfield if he has no previous experience as a playmaker/holding midfielder. Hughes will never be a left winger.  Dublin is too old and slow to play up front on his own for 90 minutes. And these days Fleming rarely knows what he is doing at the best of times, regardless of where he plays.As fans, we all know this because we have seen most of it before. And after Saturday''s horror show, so has Peter Grant.