Supporter Engagement Plan

[essex canary 622]

supporter-engagement-plan.pdf (canaries.co.uk)

The document itself looks a good deal better than previously.

Still a puzzle as to how the Panel is presented as a 'sounding board' whilst EFL regulation 128 requires 'consultation'. 

No consultation appears to have happened in relation to an August Supporters Panel. 

 

[TIL 1010 5,246]

Is this your stick of the day ?

[GMF 1,010]

1 hour ago, TIL 1010 said:

Is this your stick of the day ?

The updated version has been on the website for ages.

[Fen Canary 1,456]

I couldn’t give a flying f**k. If the team are winning I don’t care if Kanpper never gives another interview and Attanasio spends his days happy slapping orphans 

[essex canary 622]

1 hour ago, Fen Canary said:

I couldn’t give a flying f**k. If the team are winning I don’t care if Kanpper never gives another interview and Attanasio spends his days happy slapping orphans 

Zoe is with you. She is still living in the wake of Stu's dream and being David's protégé.

 

[Fen Canary 1,456]

1 hour ago, essex canary said:

Zoe is with you. She is still living in the wake of Stu's dream and being David's protégé.

 

Good. I hope they resell your seat and give her the money as a bonus 

[essex canary 622]

6 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

Good. I hope they resell your seat and give her the money as a bonus 

She will be looking longingly at Villa and Valencia at the moment.

Meanwhile could perhaps get that bonus based on the 'many unseen' Supporters Panel projects.

What has this got to do with transparency?

[TIL 1010 5,246]

' many unseen Supporters Panel projects '.

As an exam question define, explain and discuss. 

[Fen Canary 1,456]

It’s a f***ing football club, what transparency are you hoping to see? How much information do you need to know? I couldn’t give a flying f**k what goes on behind the scenes, I simply want to see a competitive first team, a decent academy and not have creditors kicking down the front door. How they go about doing that is of no interest, it’s the final results that matter.

Why do you feel the club owe you an explanation for every decision they take? 

[essex canary 622]

12 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

' many unseen Supporters Panel projects '.

As an exam question define, explain and discuss. 

It ought to be the first issue on the next published SP Notes of Meeting.

[TIL 1010 5,246]

23 minutes ago, essex canary said:

It ought to be the first issue on the next published SP Notes of Meeting.

I am quoting your words so in more simple terms....What the **** are you blathering on about ?

[essex canary 622]

56 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

I am quoting your words so in more simple terms....What the **** are you blathering on about ?

No mention of supporter queries to the SP which should be a key part of the process as per the TOR.

Projects need to be shared with the wider fan base at interim stages which is doubtless why the working group pages have been created on the website but as you have pointed out remain blank.

No point in running too many hares at once. Finish some projects before starting others.

[TIL 1010 5,246]

1 minute ago, essex canary said:

 

 

No point in running too many hares at once. Finish some projects before starting others.

What projects are you on about ?

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

3 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

It’s a f***ing football club, what transparency are you hoping to see? How much information do you need to know? I couldn’t give a flying f**k what goes on behind the scenes, I simply want to see a competitive first team, a decent academy and not have creditors kicking down the front door. How they go about doing that is of no interest, it’s the final results that matter.

Why do you feel the club owe you an explanation for every decision they take? 

In case you didn't know, Kev is the Wizard of Oz ,a pathetic little twerp , who thinks he should have some power because he was mugged for 25k by the Club. It's a chronic  case of Buyers remorse.  Bollix to him and his  ridiculous self importance.  

[essex canary 622]

2 hours ago, TIL 1010 said:

What projects are you on about ?

The ones referred to, or should I say not referred to, on page 4 of the Plan as per the OP. Have you forgotten how to acquire evidence?

[TIL 1010 5,246]

22 minutes ago, essex canary said:

The ones referred to, or should I say not referred to, on page 4 of the Plan as per the OP. Have you forgotten how to acquire evidence?

So let me get this clear you refer to Page 4 in response to my question of what projects and your reply which i have quoted here states that they are not referred to.

Not much evidence to acquire there then unless i have missed something ?

 

 

[essex canary 622]

1 hour ago, TIL 1010 said:

So let me get this clear you refer to Page 4 in response to my question of what projects and your reply which i have quoted here states that they are not referred to.

Not much evidence to acquire there then unless i have missed something ?

 

 

Detective: 'Where is the contraband?'

Suspect: 'It is unseen'

The Detective response is?

[Mr_Biff1961 14]

6 hours ago, essex canary said:

She will be looking longingly at Villa and Valencia at the moment.

Meanwhile could perhaps get that bonus based on the 'many unseen' Supporters Panel projects.

What has this got to do with transparency?

Unseen because there were many confidential issues along with projects that were discussed ( such as the changes in badge, membership changes) that were to be released at a later date.

[essex canary 622]

5 minutes ago, Mr_Biff1961 said:

Unseen because there were many confidential issues along with projects that were discussed ( such as the changes in badge, membership changes) that were to be released at a later date.

There are always confidential issues at NCFC. The whole point of EFL regulation 128 is that such issues as badge changes are subject to full fan consultation, therefore not confidential. The same logic must apply to membership consultation. The Club with the largest number of shareholders of any club in the country - NCFC- should know this better than anyone. Why doesn't it?

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

12 minutes ago, essex canary said:

There are always confidential issues at NCFC. The whole point of EFL regulation 128 is that such issues as badge changes are subject to full fan consultation, therefore not confidential. The same logic must apply to membership consultation. The Club with the largest number of shareholders of any club in the country - NCFC- should know this better than anyone. Why doesn't it?

Do Turkeys get a vote at Christmas? 

Regarding the badge changes , I believe at the time some people were consulted, just not you, what did you want , a set of crayons and a sheet of paper left on everyone's seat do they could all draw what they wanted as a new badge... I can see yours already , the Dack coat of Arms ( Temu version of course) with an image of Zoe burning at the stake in the background. 

Kev my old boy , you are floundering now, no sticks left , just mere  twigs , what's next, blades of grass. ? Grow up , shut up,  move on . 

PS your whining on here will get you nowhere, why not put on a sandwich board listing your grievances and parade around outside the ground  before ko,  you'll almost certainly be on look east after a  few weeks. You know the bit where we all laugh at the eccentric idiot complaining about things no one else cares about. It's as much as you can realistically expect after soiling your own bed so publicly. 

Edited September 7 by wcorkcanary

[Mr_Biff1961 14]

9 minutes ago, essex canary said:

There are always confidential issues at NCFC. The whole point of EFL regulation 128 is that such issues as badge changes are subject to full fan consultation, therefore not confidential. The same logic must apply to membership consultation. The Club with the largest number of shareholders of any club in the country - NCFC- should know this better than anyone. Why doesn't it?

I was warned against engaging with you. The badge design was shown to several groups prior to release, this was confidential until it was leaked by the press.

the membership discussion was on tweaks to the scheme and how it could be improved, suggestions for improvements were discussed and considered.

the reason they are not disclosed is some changes will not take place as to costly or only affect a few members.

 

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

5 minutes ago, Mr_Biff1961 said:

I was warned against engaging with you. The badge design was shown to several groups prior to release, this was confidential until it was leaked by the press.

the membership discussion was on tweaks to the scheme and how it could be improved, suggestions for improvements were discussed and considered.

the reason they are not disclosed is some changes will not take place as to costly or only affect a few members.

 

Nah , Kev is a laugh, the more facts he's presented with, as in your post above, the more shoite he spouts.It quite amusing, he never fails to react, in fact he is easier to train than most puppies, so desperate is he for attention. Dackbaiting should be in the next Olympics,  Zoe would defo win women's gold...and without any conscious  effort as its all in his own head. 

We couldn't make it up , but he does that for us. 

[TIL 1010 5,246]

26 minutes ago, Mr_Biff1961 said:

I was warned against engaging with you. 

 

Only yourself to blame mate.He hangs around this forum like a bad smell which just won't go away no matter how much grief he gets.

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

4 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Only yourself to blame mate.He hangs around this forum like a bad smell which just won't go away no matter how much grief he gets.

This is also true, but  the one thing that old Dacko does , that we all benefit from , is being a living reminder that we must count our blessings....and not our curses. His  poor tortured, unfulfilled, disrespected, mocked, derided, ostracised Soul. 

[Greavsy 2,645]

1 hour ago, TIL 1010 said:

Only yourself to blame mate.He hangs around this forum like a bad smell which just won't go away no matter how much grief he gets.

Just block him.

Dont engage.

And please don't quote him.

Hopefully he will get fed up when he realises he's shouting at clouds. 

Stop giving him oxygen, as he obviously needs help, but cannot see it.

 

[essex canary 622]

5 hours ago, Mr_Biff1961 said:

I was warned against engaging with you. The badge design was shown to several groups prior to release, this was confidential until it was leaked by the press.

the membership discussion was on tweaks to the scheme and how it could be improved, suggestions for improvements were discussed and considered.

the reason they are not disclosed is some changes will not take place as to costly or only affect a few members.

 

On the badge as a top 50 shareholder I was not consulted. As a Cambridge United season ticket holder I have received multiple messages to my inbox seeking my views.  A very clear difference in the breadth of consultation. Also the original badge designer whose design was primarily retained wrote to the EDP to state that he wasn't consulted.

On the membership scheme there is equally no transparency as to how supporters were entitled to feed into the process.

If options are dismissed with good reason, transparency requires declaration of what was considered and why it was dismissed.

If there are leaks it is probably because some supporters rightly believe that they should not be privileged relative to other supporters in terms of relevant club knowledge whilst other more self centred supporters believe otherwise.

Edited September 7 by essex canary

[PurpleCanary 6,381]

There are three ways to influence (as opposed to be granted ignorable consultation) what goes on at the football club. Own it. Be a director. Be a member of a group that the club actually decides it needs to listen to.

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

2 hours ago, essex canary said:

self centred supporters

Did you choke on those  words? You should. 

[essex canary 622]

12 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

There are three ways to influence (as opposed to be granted ignorable consultation) what goes on at the football club. Own it. Be a director. Be a member of a group that the club actually decides it needs to listen to.

Or why we need the Football Governance Bill enacted. Pity Delia isn't out on the hustings as she was with Brexit. 

I used to be a member of a group that the Club was glad of when bailing out of it's ITV Digital crisis and that provided a Chairman of the Football Club for 7 seven years as a key component of bailing out of another crisis.

With a rehabilitation meeting of said group on the horizon perhaps the Company Secretary should be challenged as to whether I get an invite to satisfy the 2002 contractual conditions and providing equality of access and representation or another confidentiality rebuke.      

Edited September 8 by essex canary

[GMF 1,010]

@essex canary your exclusion from the AD group was instigated by fellow members, not the Club, as a direct consequence of your own previous actions. If the Club believed that the AD’s actions were unreasonable, you might have seen some leniency in your favour. The fact that didn’t happen is telling, especially to those who have a modicum of self awareness. Frankly, you have no one else to blame but yourself.