The threat to our democracy

[Naturalcynic 632]

7 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

It's being reported this week that Angela Rayner's children have a police escort to and from school. This is a ridiculous situation. Why on earth would anyone, especially a mother, put themselves in this position?

Is it in any way connected to the fact that a public schoolboy bullied her during his Budget speech?  Ironically, Michael Gove wants a discussion on the definition of the word 'extremism'. Perhaps his party should save a bit of time and just look in the mirror. 

Would that be the same Angela Rayner who labelled conservatives “scum”?  Anyway, I note that in recent weeks she’s needed police escorts due to being targeted by pro-Palestinian activists.

[Herman 9,780]

1 hour ago, Naturalcynic said:

Would that be the same Angela Rayner who labelled conservatives “scum”?  Anyway, I note that in recent weeks she’s needed police escorts due to being targeted by pro-Palestinian activists.

That's a bit out of order from Angela. She could have used many other words, thieves, racists, bigots, parasites, liars, frauds and perverts for example but scum is pushing it too far. BOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[Daz Sparks 1,154]

3 hours ago, Naturalcynic said:

Would that be the same Angela Rayner who labelled conservatives “scum”?

Walks like a duck, quacks like duck? 

[Fen Canary 833]

11 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

It's being reported this week that Angela Rayner's children have a police escort to and from school. This is a ridiculous situation. Why on earth would anyone, especially a mother, put themselves in this position?

Is it in any way connected to the fact that a public schoolboy bullied her during his Budget speech?  Ironically, Michael Gove wants a discussion on the definition of the word 'extremism'. Perhaps his party should save a bit of time and just look in the mirror. 

Who are the ones threatening the children? Which groups do they belong to? 

[Naturalcynic 632]

21 minutes ago, Daz Sparks said:

Walks like a duck, quacks like duck? 

Thanks for that kind sentiment, but surely labelling a huge number of the electorate as “scum” simply because they voted Conservative is symptomatic of the extremism that this thread was set up to discuss.

Edited March 13 by Naturalcynic

[Daz Sparks 1,154]

32 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Surely labelling a huge number of the electorate as “scum” simply because they voted Conservative is symptomatic of the extremism that this thread was set up to discuss.

My thoughts on this are that she was referring to the Tory Party rather than the electorate. After this weeks shenanigans, I tend to agree with her. The Tory Party in its current form deserves no respect, and the aforementioned electorate will demonstrate this.

As for the thread, yes, lawbreaking and extremism should be dealt with from whichever side of the political spectrum it manifests itself from. Angela Rayner's comment, however, does not constitute a threat to democracy.

Edited March 13 by Daz Sparks

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

16 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

It's being reported this week that Angela Rayner's children have a police escort to and from school. This is a ridiculous situation. Why on earth would anyone, especially a mother, put themselves in this position?

Is it in any way connected to the fact that a public schoolboy bullied her during his Budget speech?  Ironically, Michael Gove wants a discussion on the definition of the word 'extremism'. Perhaps his party should save a bit of time and just look in the mirror. 

Jewish children in London are going to school without their school uniforms on. They are having to change into school uniform once they arrive because it is too dangerous for them to wear the uniform of their Jewish schools on the street. Not just Angela Rayner's children are targeted. Nothing to do with the Budget nor the Conservative party.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

4 hours ago, Daz Sparks said:

My thoughts on this are that she was referring to the Tory Party rather than the electorate. After this weeks shenanigans, I tend to agree with her. The Tory Party in its current form deserves no respect, and the aforementioned electorate will demonstrate this.

As for the thread, yes, lawbreaking and extremism should be dealt with from whichever side of the political spectrum it manifests itself from. Angela Rayner's comment, however, does not constitute a threat to democracy.

The threats are religious more than political.

[dylanisabaddog 4,931]

8 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Jewish children in London are going to school without their school uniforms on. They are having to change into school uniform once they arrive because it is too dangerous for them to wear the uniform of their Jewish schools on the street. Not just Angela Rayner's children are targeted. Nothing to do with the Budget nor the Conservative party.

What an extraordinary world you live in! Does the name Jo Cox mean anything to you? 

[dylanisabaddog 4,931]

13 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

Who are the ones threatening the children? Which groups do they belong to? 

Not surprisingly, that information has not been made available. 

Obviously I haven't forgotten Jo Cox but last night I watched the Boris documentary on Channel 4. The film of right wing activists waiting for Gina Miller outside the Supreme Court was shocking. 

Edited March 14 by dylanisabaddog

[Fen Canary 833]

11 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

Not surprisingly, that information has not been made available. 

Obviously I haven't forgotten Jo Cox but last night I watched the Boris documentary on Channel 4. The film of right wing activists waiting for Gina Miller outside the Supreme Court was shocking. 

I’d wager if it was the far right responsible for harassing Rayners kids it would have been reported as such by now.

With Jo Cox we had weeks of reporting that the murderers far right ideology was his motive. Compare it to David Amess and his murderers ideology was barely mentioned, instead we had politicians pathetically squabbling about nasty things said online rather than violent Islamism 

[dylanisabaddog 4,931]

3 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

I’d wager if it was the far right responsible for harassing Rayners kids it would have been reported as such by now.

With Jo Cox we had weeks of reporting that the murderers far right ideology was his motive. Compare it to David Amess and his murderers ideology was barely mentioned, instead we had politicians pathetically squabbling about nasty things said online rather than violent Islamism 

I'd wager that all MP's have been told to keep quiet about threats. Naming those involved would just increase the hatred. But can you think of any reason a religious group would pick on Rayner? 

I do agree with you about the Amess murder. I assume that the authorities were trying to avoid stirring up a religious war. Perhaps it's time we all accepted that religion is the root cause of a lot of the world's problems. 

[Naturalcynic 632]

1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said:

Not surprisingly, that information has not been made available. 

Obviously I haven't forgotten Jo Cox but last night I watched the Boris documentary on Channel 4. The film of right wing activists waiting for Gina Miller outside the Supreme Court was shocking. 

Any extremist behaviour of this kind is unacceptable, although I think all of us must avoid being selective with our outrage.  After all, the intimidation by left-wing activists outside Conservative Party meetings and conferences is equally reprehensible, as is the behaviour of pro-Palestinian supporters outside the homes of MPs.

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I'd wager that all MP's have been told to keep quiet about threats. Naming those involved would just increase the hatred. But can you think of any reason a religious group would pick on Rayner? 

I do agree with you about the Amess murder. I assume that the authorities were trying to avoid stirring up a religious war. Perhaps it's time we all accepted that religion is the root cause of a lot of the world's problems. 

As much as I despise Abrahamic religion and would be perfectly happy with all three major ones dying out, I don't quite agree with that bit in bold. Religion just happens to be a handy tool for shaping sides. Love of power, land, resources tend to be the main casus belli.

If it weren't religion, we already know they'd happily use gender or even age to stoke a culture war up.

Edited March 14 by TheGunnShow

[dylanisabaddog 4,931]

14 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Any extremist behaviour of this kind is unacceptable, although I think all of us must avoid being selective with our outrage.  After all, the intimidation by left-wing activists outside Conservative Party meetings and conferences is equally reprehensible, as is the behaviour of pro-Palestinian supporters outside the homes of MPs.

You've missed the point. Fen Canary suggested that threats made to her family won't have come from the right wing because she'd have said so. That's absolute nonsense for God's sake. She is a parent and like all of us her priority will be her children's safety. The Police will have told her in no uncertain terms not to engage with these people and they're quite right. 

Fen Canary also suggests that our problem is predominantly Islam. I've no doubt it is a problem but so are the people who killed Jo Cox and those that tried to intimidate Gina Miller. They're nuts and would have terrified me. 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,553]

On 14/03/2024 at 11:10, dylanisabaddog said:

You've missed the point. Fen Canary suggested that threats made to her family won't have come from the right wing because she'd have said so. That's absolute nonsense for God's sake. She is a parent and like all of us her priority will be her children's safety. The Police will have told her in no uncertain terms not to engage with these people and they're quite right. 

Fen Canary also suggests that our problem is predominantly Islam. I've no doubt it is a problem but so are the people who killed Jo Cox and those that tried to intimidate Gina Miller. They're nuts and would have terrified me. 

I think it's less that he's missed your point and more that you're ignoring his, i.e. that she has been directly responsible for comments that promote hatred of politicians by generally labelling a whole party's members as 'scum'. To her credit, she did row back on the comments after the event, but even so it's indicative of the attitudes. I'd also add that your daft claim of a front line politician being 'bullied', when sadly that's the way front line politics has been conducted for a long time, is somewhat laughable.

That said, it is a horrific state of affairs that even the family of politicians are targets now. The people responsible need identifying and arresting.

I'd suggest if you want to express genuine concern for the state of politics and the treatment of politicians, which I think is in a horrendous state, you'd be doing yourself a favour by not indulging yourself in petty jabs at people just because it suits your own party politics.

Edited March 16 by littleyellowbirdie