KTF'S, WHY SHOULD WE KEEP WORTHINGTON?

[DuncanMirams 0]

Please share your views with others as at the demonstration some people shouted against it and i would like to hear their viewpoint in depth.
I do want Worthington to go as i think the club is too good for him, to me it seems to me that Noriwch as a whole think we owe him something which we don''t. No other club would put up with this dribble so why should we?. Look at Derby they got rid of their manager when they started to flop and now seem to be turning it around. So why dont we give it a try?

[At last? 0]

I''m not a KTF. In fact I''m slighty to the WO side of centre.

However, the only thing I can think of in Worthys defence is that he is actually a young manager compared to most. I would be interested to see how Fergie, Big Sam, Curbishley etc were doing when they were Worthys age. I''m not making any point here, I simply don''t know.

They say you learn from your mistakes. If that is the case Worthy has learned an awful lot over the last two seasons.

What I am saying is that of he truely has learned then he may just may be the best person to lead us next year.

I just wish I could see signs of that sometimes.

And come to think of it, this time last year we beat Man Utd 2 bloody 0. Man bloody United, we beat em 2 bloody 0. What on earth has happened since? As I say, a lot of mistakes.

[LinkNR9 0]

But that''s the whole point, he NEVER learns from his mistakes, he just keeps repeating them over and over again!

And to say that ''he''s a young manager'' doesn''t have any bearing on the situation. There''s a very young manager at Watford named Adie Boothroyd who''s doing ever-so-slightly well!

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

He doesnt learn from his mistakes tho... he signs loads of defensive players in the summer... we do rubbish so what does he do...  sign more defemsive players...

He doesnt realise that you need that something extra to score a goal.. not just andy hughes style workrate...

[Kolin Kob 0]

Firstly, I should point out that I am not a "KTF" as such, and wish we could just return to a time when people could post a message on this board without having to be branded a WO or a KTF. Its not as simple as that. Personally, I would give him to the end of the season, and then assess, which is what I expect the board to do as well. Although, for me, it would have to be a case of almost straight back-to-back wins to the end. So far, things obviously haven''t been up to scratch, and some of his moves have indeed been suspect, but changing managers willy-nilly very rarely is a recipe for long-term success, and for me, the alternative managers which have been suggested on this board so far have been far less than inspiring. Apart from anything, no-one mentioned so far on this board has a track record which includes a promotion to the premiership.

I think my main problem with the Worthy Out protests, though, would have to be that I believe that, no matter what is happening at the club, we need to get behind the players. It was said in an article in the pink un recently (i can''t find it now though) that these protests are quite likely to be the biggest protests in the history of the club, bar the chase out protest. I''ve only followed Norwich since 1992, and so I cannot really comment on the truth in this. Is this the biggest trouble the club has been in in its history? No, its not, but the level of protest seems to suggest that it is. We have a right to be annoyed, but i just don''t think protesting and dividing the supporters is the way. Our lack of success this season, although some of it can be pointed at Worthy of course, is due to the loss of our twelfth man, oh-so important in our playoff and promotion seasons, and the subsequent effect on team morale. Does it affect the players? of course it does. I am not accusing the fans of losing us matches, but I feel there must be a more constructive role the supporters can play than marching outside the ground.

Cue the barrage of insults....

[Bill 1,788]

Unfortunately supporters are not that easily classified.

Sure there are the simpletons (kids) who know very little about the game and will happily shout out any slogan.

Those vast majority have their own differing views. At best they can be said to be united by one thing only - the certain knowledge that the club will not bow to an unrepresentative rabble of ''johnny come latelys'' and ipswich fans.

Beware the backlash as genuine supporters respond to this irritation.

[DuncanMirams 0]

im 16 and was really against worthington but know im not so sure.
Alot of people shocked me at the protest as they were realy against it and vented their feelings which i respect. Know im thinking this pinkun board apart from a few is full fo worthy outers. Is it just this board or is it the majority of all the fans?

In my opinion there''s two ways we could do things:
1) Fans unite, get behind worthy and players and hope for the best, see what happens till the end of the season and make our decision then. 
2) Carry on the protests, get rid of worthington and get someone else in to carry out the rest of this current campaign which would help them see what needs to be done and start afresh next season.

[0peteddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0]

Protests don''t affect the players who says so read Worthington''s comments on today''s game.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="Kolin Kob"]

Firstly, I should point out that I am not a "KTF" as such, and wish we could just return to a time when people could post a message on this board without having to be branded a WO or a KTF. Its not as simple as that. Personally, I would give him to the end of the season, and then assess, which is what I expect the board to do as well. Although, for me, it would have to be a case of almost straight back-to-back wins to the end. So far, things obviously haven''t been up to scratch, and some of his moves have indeed been suspect, but changing managers willy-nilly very rarely is a recipe for long-term success, and for me, the alternative managers which have been suggested on this board so far have been far less than inspiring. Apart from anything, no-one mentioned so far on this board has a track record which includes a promotion to the premiership.

I think my main problem with the Worthy Out protests, though, would have to be that I believe that, no matter what is happening at the club, we need to get behind the players. It was said in an article in the pink un recently (i can''t find it now though) that these protests are quite likely to be the biggest protests in the history of the club, bar the chase out protest. I''ve only followed Norwich since 1992, and so I cannot really comment on the truth in this. Is this the biggest trouble the club has been in in its history? No, its not, but the level of protest seems to suggest that it is. We have a right to be annoyed, but i just don''t think protesting and dividing the supporters is the way. Our lack of success this season, although some of it can be pointed at Worthy of course, is due to the loss of our twelfth man, oh-so important in our playoff and promotion seasons, and the subsequent effect on team morale. Does it affect the players? of course it does. I am not accusing the fans of losing us matches, but I feel there must be a more constructive role the supporters can play than marching outside the ground.

Cue the barrage of insults....

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I dont remember are fans being poor in the first half of the season and we were terrible...  and we still take thousands away unyet we are terrible away from home...

[LinkNR9 0]

City 1st -"the certain knowledge that the club will not bow to an unrepresentative rabble of ''johnny come latelys'' and ipswich fans."

Are you referring to yesterday''s protesters? If you are you are both (a) wrong and (b) misguided or just plain dim - are you Barry''s Kipper in disguise? The Club WILL bow to those who want Worthington Out, because this will NOT go away. No matter how much you try trivialise it.

Incidentally, what makes you say that people like you ARE representative? Can you back that up statistically or with poll / survey results? Please, do enlighten me.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="City1st"]Unfortunately supporters are not that easily classified.

Sure there are the simpletons (kids) who know very little about the game and will happily shout out any slogan.

Those vast majority have their own differing views. At best they can be said to be united by one thing only - the certain knowledge that the club will not bow to an unrepresentative rabble of ''johnny come latelys'' and ipswich fans.

Beware the backlash as genuine supporters respond to this irritation.[/quote]

Richard Balls, Roy Blower, Kevin Piper, Chris Goreham, Neil Adams - yep johnny come latelys and ipswich fans....

The only onesounding like an ipswich fan here is you - and I dont reckon you go to the matches either... WHERE were you supporting the team?? where were you singing..

[Canary Boy 0]

Forgive me for being slow...as I am an old-timer on this board, but what does KTF stand for?

[Syteanric 1]

16 years a canary... which is longer than some KTF''s who post on here! really a johnny come lately!

jas :)

[Old Boy 0]

Reasons for keeping Worthy (putting personal bias aside):

1. The devil you know - any new manager will be a gamble, and an expensive one with all the contract settlements involved.

2. Worthy has achieved results, judged on the bottom line - play-off and winning the Div 1 title - so he deserves some slack.

3. There''s a risk involved in letting the noisy minority decide the manager, and whatever figure you believe about yesterday''s protest, it was a relatively small minority. And most of those protesting probably know very little about football, just like most of those not protesting. If they''ve done it once, they feel they can do it again. And, given that the new guy might be worse than the old one (see point 1), that may be quite soon.

4. He''s been unlucky with the injury situation in the first part of the season

Those are the only reasons I can think of, and they have merit. But you have to look at the bigger picture - footballing standards have not improved for the last 4 years of Worthy''s reign (leaving aside the solo efforts of Huckerby in promotion year), we have a very unbalanced squad, and there''s a criminal lack of preparation apparent every game. For example, why, in the Palace game, had we not worked out what to do if their strikers dropped off our defenders - who would pick Johnson up, the midfield or the one of the CBs? Why was Safri taking the corners, when A) he has a good shot if the ball drops to him, and B) if Palace get the ball and break, we need him to cover the breakaway. Why do we have no specialist free-kick taker? Why do we waste the majority of corners, with no routines worked out? Why did we allow Reading''s wingers to run riot? Etc., etc. It looks too damn like complacency, from management, coaches and players, to me. From all accounts, we''re paying much higher wages to all of those now than we were a couple of years ago, so shouldn''t we expect much higher levels of preparation? It seems ours have slipped even lower.

It was a poor game yesterday, in footballing terms. We got 2 good goals, but it wouldn''t have been a travesty if Stoke had won. As someone said, Darel Russell was the best player out there, along with Leon, and my God, could we have done with him. And he''s probably only Championship standard. Worthy''s satisfied with his players apparently. Well, I guess if you get a result and you don''t worry about how, you would be - in other words if you set the bar low enough, you''ll always clear it. I just hope he doesn''t really believe those words, or at least that the Board aren''t fooled by them.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="Old Boy"]

Reasons for keeping Worthy (putting personal bias aside):

1. The devil you know - any new manager will be a gamble, and an expensive one with all the contract settlements involved.

2. Worthy has achieved results, judged on the bottom line - play-off and winning the Div 1 title - so he deserves some slack.

3. There''s a risk involved in letting the noisy minority decide the manager, and whatever figure you believe about yesterday''s protest, it was a relatively small minority. And most of those protesting probably know very little about football, just like most of those not protesting. If they''ve done it once, they feel they can do it again. And, given that the new guy might be worse than the old one (see point 1), that may be quite soon.

4. He''s been unlucky with the injury situation in the first part of the season

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As usual oldboy you talk sense, it is going to be VERY expensive to sack Nigel...near on 700,000 if his wages are true.  It makes a mockery of the rolling 1 year contract that we were always going to have to pay him this sum to get rid of him.

Any new manager coming to the club is going to be a risk, they probably wont be earning anywhere near nigel''s wage, but you can never be sure.  Also it is difficult to assess the current playing staff, the players on paper look good however which is a bonus.

As for minority, well I think the other way to look at it is how many people would be seriously narced off if the manager was sacked??  Not a great deal I imagine.  I mean its not as if we have won many games recently.  I dont here many fans defending the manager at the games whether they want him gone or not.

IMO he wont be sacked - Delia didnt want Hamilton to resign and he was completely Hopeless AND had lost the dressing room.

[Canary Boy 0]

It''s Ok, I''ve just sussed it on my own....Keep The Faith

[king of latvia 0]

[quote user="LinkNR9"]

But that''s the whole point, he NEVER learns from his mistakes, he just keeps repeating them over and over again!

And to say that ''he''s a young manager'' doesn''t have any bearing on the situation. There''s a very young manager at Watford named Adie Boothroyd who''s doing ever-so-slightly well!

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and what will happen to him when things go wrong.

[Syteanric 1]

when Fegie was Worthys age he was winning the European cup with Aberdeen of all teams

jas :)

[Misery Guts 0]

Everyone seems to want him out but noone knows who to replace him with ! I don''t particuliarly like Worthington but who will replace him !? We all seem to assume that we will find some wonder manager that will get us automatic promotion and then a mid table finish in the premiership in a few years.

[DuncanMirams 0]

i honestly think worthington has reached his prime and gone past it.
i am disllusioned at the signings as i believe we are bringing in players that will not get any better and are at best good championship players.
we should concentrate on buying good young talent, look what it did for West Ham.
our best buys over the last 2 seasons have been ashton and francis both of which have now left and both of which are good and still young with francis now being 24 or 25.

[ZLF 335]

I think this sums it up - the only reason to keep Nige at the moment is stability and history, there is nothing else in his favour than the ostrich head in the sands approach and nothing more recent success wise than more than 2 years ago - I proposed the stability card for a long while..

However we can not be paralysed into letting the club drift into obscurity for fear of making a decision - thats what happened with Forest and Clough which lead to theirdownfall.

Yes for every Newcastle or Leicester (successful with the same squad yet new coaches) there is a Portsmouth where the new man makes no difference but there will come a time (already passed for many) when not taking a decision is worse than sticking with the status quo.

[LinkNR9 0]

Latvia - It will be a long time before Boothroyd "gets it wrong" (and the Watford Board won''t let the situation drift into chaos as Delia and Co have done here), because he''s a GOOD manager, with GOOD tactics, who can MOTIVATE a team. Adie inherited a team of nobodies and has taken them to the verge of automatic promotion in one season. Without spending a fraction of what Worthington has had. He''s not afraid to use youth and this is reflected in the exciting and fearless way that they play.

As for who would take over from Worthington, I''d be pleased to see Doris the Tea Lady in his place, the way things are right now; she''s probably got better man-management skills for a start! However, until she''s available, perm any one from Phil Parkinson / Steve Tilson / Mike Newell / Peter Taylor / Martin Allen. All of them have tactical awareness and manage sides that have played great football over the past two seasons. And with the crowds and money here, they''d be more than tempted to come.

Oh well, we can but dream.     

[king of latvia 0]

[quote user="LinkNR9"]

Latvia - It will be a long time before Boothroyd "gets it wrong" (and the Watford Board won''t let the situation drift into chaos as Delia and Co have done here), because he''s a GOOD manager, with GOOD tactics, who can MOTIVATE a team. Adie inherited a team of nobodies and has taken them to the verge of automatic promotion in one season. Without spending a fraction of what Worthington has had. He''s not afraid to use youth and this is reflected in the exciting and fearless way that they play.

As for who would take over from Worthington, I''d be pleased to see Doris the Tea Lady in his place, the way things are right now; she''s probably got better man-management skills for a start! However, until she''s available, perm any one from Phil Parkinson / Steve Tilson / Mike Newell / Peter Taylor / Martin Allen. All of them have tactical awareness and manage sides that have played great football over the past two seasons. And with the crowds and money here, they''d be more than tempted to come.

Oh well, we can but dream.     

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do you really beleave that if watford go up boothroyd will keep them in the premiership ,but didnt worthington do this take over when city were at the bottom and got into the play off final and got us promoted.

what money we have none,thats why worthy have to get players on loan.

worthy in worthy in