Unless we’ve signed players as good as the one departing were in our promotion season.....

[Hardhouse44 295]

.....then the plan/project isn’t working.

unless that is the case and who knows we could very likely lose Emi,Todd and Max then we are going backwards. 
 

Does anybody on here honestly think we have signed the likes of those players at the level they were in the promotion season. Time will tell it’s early days but I doubt we’ve picked up another 4/5 players as good as the ones mentioned above or gone/going were back then.

I honestly don’t believe there is a plan/project.  Spin spin and more spin.

Edited October 2, 2020 by Hardhouse44

[Flying Dutchman 766]

OK, let's revert back to he start of the Championship promotion season and check this against the 3 players you mentioned.

Emi - Complete unknown quantity attacker: Yes we have lots of those that have the potential to deliver too.

Todd - Bit part player likely to go on loan (bit didn'tto be fair): Got loads of them.

Max - Wasn't even really in the first team: Got loads of those too.

Why don't we give it a chance? Wait and see. Because i seem to recall a lot of pant wetting at Maddison and the Murphy's being sold too. You know, the ones we sold just before getting promoted in style with a team of relative unknowns.

We can't possibly know the outcome of this yet, despite believing you do.

Edited October 2, 2020 by Flying Dutchman

[birchfest 401]

In fairness Todd didn't really play too much and Godfrey didn't feature until I think the preston home game after an injury to Klose and Hanley being out for the season. Not saying they aren't important, but I think personally the key players that season were Pukki, Buendia, Aarons, Lewis, Zimmerman and Krul. 

Edited October 2, 2020 by birchfest

[Feedthewolf 5,931]

2 hours ago, Hardhouse44 said:

.....then the plan/project isn’t working.

unless that is the case and who knows we could very likely lose Emi,Todd and Max then we are going backwards. 
 

Does anybody on here honestly think we have signed the likes of those players at the level they were in the promotion season. Time will tell it’s early days but I doubt we’ve picked up another 4/5 players as good as the ones mentioned above or gone/going were back then.

I honestly don’t believe there is a plan/project.  Spin spin and more spin.

Let me make sure I'm understanding you here.

If the players we've signed turn out to be as good as the players we're selling, then the plan/project is working, in your opinion.

But you don't believe there is a project.

So what's the project that is either working or not working depending on the strength of our signings?

You seem a little confused.

I think what you mean to say is:

"If we can't sell our assets for big money then the self-fulfilling model isn't working. If we do sell our assets for big money then we're showing no ambition to progress, and the self-fulfilling model isn't working."

Just stick to the script above and you should be pretty much watertight.

[Thirsty Lizard 3,227]

9 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

Let me make sure I'm understanding you here.

If the players we've signed turn out to be as good as the players we're selling, then the plan/project is working, in your opinion.

But you don't believe there is a project.

So what's the project that is either working or not working depending on the strength of our signings?

You seem a little confused.

I think what you mean to say is:

"If we can't sell our assets for big money then the self-fulfilling model isn't working. If we do sell our assets for big money then we're showing no ambition to progress, and the self-fulfilling model isn't working."

Just stick to the script above and you should be pretty much watertight.

And of course dear old Hardhouse is totally ignoring Covid 19 which over the course of last season and this could wipe anything up to about £35 million off our revenues. 

[Mr.Carrow 394]

Godfrey and Cantwell were not even integral parts of the promotion team. Lewis had terrible stats going forward considering we were an attacking team full of confidence. Quintilla has so far created more chances in three games than Lewis does in 15. And we have an experienced player deemed good enough for the England squad a few years ago to replace Godfrey.

[Jerrykerry 223]

Yawn what a boring life you just lead. 

[Badger 2,750]

Then irony is that if we had been a "sugar daddy club" the players would probably never have been played to the extent that they were or made the level of development that they did. It is precisely because of the model that we have that they were developed as players - if we had more money, most managers would rather employ expensive journeymen rather than risk developing youngsters.

Let's not forget that Neill wanted to sell Madison for someone more reliable; Emi was unheard of and the other three were plucked at a very young age from the Under 23s. Clubs with sugar daddies try to buy "established talent" and "proven players" rather than "risk" developing youngsters. They pay big money for them at the a stage when they are often past their best and pay their big wages, often whilst they are out on loan.

Cameron Jerome is a good example of this, as indeed a re Derby generally (hostage to fortune here!). They have a record ofbuying older players on big wages - and often end up lending them out on subsidised wages.