QHcanary

"I think we are in most trouble having hapless in charge. He only wins when his job depends on it. How about bucking the trend and winning against vile on Sunday. We all know it won''t happen because of the genius of the opposition manager and coaching staff." Are you not bored of posting this sh1t yet? It takes a special kind of sad b@stard to keep it up for this long.

[quote user="Herman "]Jesus was a socialist.[/quote] ....and look how that turned out. I wouldn''t complain if Bob Crow got the same treatment. And ed balls.

Jesus, I hate socialists. They''re just so bitter and envious about everything.

Sorry Hairy. It probably sounded like I was saying you voted labour. I''d never level that particular slur at anyone who hasn''t admitted to doing so.

[quote user="Hairy Canary"]Goodness me. Third time lucky. I was not advocating that Rooneys tax should go up I was making the point that it was CUT! Note. Neither am I :-)[/quote] I know you didn''t say it should go up. The 50% comment was just a dig at Ed Balls, who I think is a pillock of the highest order. Why should Rooney''s tax be cut if its going to produce a better overall result for the country? As an aside... Why did Labour introduce the 50% bracket 39 days before the election? If they think it was such a good idea then the 13 years or so they failed to do so makes them look like morons. It was done purely as a way of having a dig at the Tories when they were fixed into dropping the rate back down to a level still higher than labour kept for 13 years. I''ve still never seen a labour voter actually answer that last point, because there''s do defence for it I suppose.

[quote user="Hairy Canary"]Yes QH I have heard of the Laffer curve. Thanks for asking. It doesn''t explain why tax cuts for the wealthy bring in more income but somehow doesn''t apply to the rest of us. Also its principal concerns punitive rates and really has nothing to do with figures around 45%. The point I was trying to make is that for the country to pull in the same direction to get rid of the deficit everyone has to "be in this together". That can''t be done if one group in society are given a tax cut when others are facing increases. As it happens I''m all for a low tax economy with less state intervention but that doesn''t excuse unfair government policy from whichever hue.[/quote] The point is that there''s a level of taxation that will produce maximum tax take for the government. I''m sure there''s some leeway on where that point will lie country to country, but its fairly widely seen as being somewhere lower than the 50% that Ed Ballsup is currently trying to buy votes with. If you cut the top rate of tax you''re trying to attract the (relatively) wealthy into the country. People who will create wealth by providing jobs. Cut the lower rates of tax and of course it will help the lower paid, but it will cost the country overall as the workers who occupy that band don''t typically have the option of just upping sticks and moving here. That''s ignoring the economic migrants from Eastern Europe who want to come here anyway. If you think a system that taxes the "wealthy" even more, when the top 1% of earners pay 30% of taxes on 13% of the overall income, despite consuming far less in public services, is remotely fair then I think you need a reality check. Note...I am NOWHERE NEAR a top 1%er.

"One of the richest sporting leagues in the world, the NFL, has a squad wage cap. Watching a lot of american sport at the minute I can''t help feeling that (in the NFL and NBA at least) they have a very fair system which generates a good competition in which teams can go from being the whipping boys to worldbeaters in the space of two or three seasons and vice versa. I can''t ever see such drastic change to the finance of football though unfortunately." It''s fine having a squad salary cap when the best players in a given league have nowhere else they can play their sport and earn anywhere near the amount they do now. Introduce that here and you''ll see players buggering off to Russia, or some other footballing backwater, as there''s no way it will be rolled out for all of the biggest leagues around the world. If we want to keep seeing top players in the premier league, then the wages are gong to have to be attractive enough to dissuade them from going abroad, no matter how unpalatable the sums may seem to joe public.

"I think some are missing the point. I wasn''t suggesting Rooney''s taxes should go up. The complaint was that his came down! Nobody else other than the megga rich have had a tax CUT. Jez. You Tory people just don''t see it. Even where you''re part of the group being shafted." The Laffer curve. Heard of it?

Clubs are businesses, not charities. Why would they drop ticket prices when they''re filling the stadium more or less every game? There doesn''t seem to be a particular shortage of young fans at carrow rd, so I''d say there''s not a real problem with pricing the next generation of fans out of the game. Rooney''s wages are presumably worth the outlay to Man Utd. If he''s worth it, why shouldn''t he get it? If they''re not willing to pay what he thinks he''s worth then he can move on.

[quote user="Donkey dangler"][quote user="tele"] They''re not very quick on the uptake are they? [/quote] I had to laugh when some of ''em thought that £3m. was a fair offer for Pilkington and therefore their offer for Hoolahan was fair too. [/quote] Given we paid £2m - £2.5m for a player who was recovering/had just recovered from a broken leg in league one, anyone that thinks he''s worth £3m now after 2 successful seasons in the premier league where he''s performed well is off their head. If they stump up the right money I''m sure we''d sell Hoolahan to them. I reckon that figure is £2.5m - £3m based on the fact that we don''t need to sell for absolute peanuts. Especially not to a club that are likely to be close to us in the league come May. McNally might not like Lambert after his acrimonious departure, but he''s not daft enough to keep hold of a want away player if the figures are right, regardless of who''s on the other end of the phone.

"The kind of player I am thinking of, with long range passing like Fox, strong tackling like Fer and the best qualities of Howson" So, basically what we need is Yaya Toure? I agree that this is an area of the pitch we should be looking to strengthen, but anyone we could realistically get is likely to mirror the old adage about looking for a new girlfriend. Sane Pretty Single Pick two, because unless you''re a millionaire you''re not going to find one with all three. Huddlestone is a fairly classic example of this. Great passer, fairly strong, but limited mobility.

I''m not the biggest fan of elmander, but I''m sure there''s plenty that I miss during a game. I''m a classic ball watcher and always have to watch MOTD or goals on Sunday to spot the little intricacies that pass me by during the game. If zlatan ibrahimovic rates him as the best strike partner he''s ever had (I think he said that) then clearly he''s got something about him that plenty of people don''t see. A lot of fans seem to be of the opinion that a forward who doesn''t score many goals is a bad player. As for Becchio, it''s always the same. People always seem to think that a player who isn''t getting in the side is the answer to all our woes when things aren''t going particularly well. I''m happy enough to accept that if he was outperforming the other forwards in training he would get a crack at a starting place.

Until recently I could have been described as a fairly positive fan, but I just can''t find anything positive to say about our team at the moment. We are truly dreadful. I guess Fox had outlined there why he didn''t play more. He can''t defend at all. No attempt to clear the cross. Just let sidwell get goal side of him and get to the cross first.

[quote user="Tim Dawson"]Pay them correctly ??? Mike Dean has a villa in Turkey and a 5 bedroom detached house, how correctly do you imagine they need paying ??? And now Stoke seem to be suffering from a ref supporting the bigger club[/quote] When you look at how much money is flying around in football these days then 70k isn''t that much to be paying someone who is integral to the game. The problem is that we don''t appear to be getting value for money for those wages. It''s the same with MPs. I don''t think the wages are high for what they''re supposed to be doing, but they aren''t doing a particularly good job. Pay peanuts...

Apologies. It''s always hard to see sarcasm on the internet. I''d like to see refs made to account for their bad decisions. They''re far too protected by the FA if you ask me. I think you''d see an improvement in their standards if they knew they''d face a grilling in a post March interview. I know they get relegated to championship games if they chick up, but there''s no real incentive to do a good job.

"Bury the hatchet and get the Messiah back" No thanks. I''d never take him back after he walked out on us, and he''s not doing very well at villa anyway.

[quote user="snake-eyes"]Agreed Spartacus! Wow £70k a year, for that we must have perfection! [/quote] To err is human. You''re never going to get perfection. The refereeing had been noticeably poor this season though. The decisions they''ve been getting wrong aren''t the ones where there''s an element of opinion or discretion on the referees part. It''s the absolute offences like the Chamakh incident or today''s offside goal for Newcastle where the decisions are just baffling.

It''s a yes from me. It gotten to the point where I''m not adverse to the new manager gamble. It''s looking likely enough that we''ll be close to relegation to make it worth the risk IMO. I don''t think it''s going to happen though.

I think I''m finally there. I''m not the sort to panic and call early for the managers head, and I did defend him earlier in the season, but I''ve had enough now. I can''t watch us saunter our way to defeat all the time any more. There is absolutely no urgency or commitment in our performances. I think we''re realistically competing to avoid the one relegation place not occupied by Fulham and palace. A good run of form should see us home, but I can''t actually see where that''s coming from. Every time we put in a good show and get a win its followed by a few weeks of utter crap. Leroy f***ing Fer needs dropping. He just jogs around the pitch not giving a flying f**k.

Bennett had a man to mark. If he stepped out it would have left a gaping hole behind him and an easy pass in to the man who would have been in on goal. It was Fer''s job to get across and pressure Barry. He was daydreaming and didn''t seem to realise what was happening until Barry hit it. You could see the cogs whirring, and he started to step across when it was too late.

Watching the half time "highlights" now. It was Fer who needed to get across for the goal. He made some half arsed attempt to close down just as Barry shot, but he should have been sharper. I''m not impressed at all by home recently. Lazy and uninterested.

[quote user="ROBFLECK"]The way we are playing, we are a certainty to go down. Sorry but it''s a fact isn''t it?[/quote] No. It''s not a fact. I don''t disagree that we''re candidates for relegation, but you''re passing off your opinions as fact.

[quote user="Cantiaci Canary"][quote user="NWC"]Blimey - undone by Gaz Baz - can we fall to any further depths???[/quote] What do you mean by this ... we would never be able to attract him here. A class above everything we have.[/quote] I was never a fan of Barry pre-Everton, but he''s been excellent this season. Makes you wonder whether people who make comments like that actually watch football other than Norwich games.

"Is Bennett at fault there? What does backing off achieve other than allowing the player to get the shot off? Shouldnt he have stepped up and closed him off?" Catch 22 for Bennett. He had an Everton player to his outside who could easily have been played in if he''d pushed out. It''s the tracking of the run from deep that was the problem. Not sure whose job it would have been to track it, but it does highlight the problem of a 4 man midfield.

"Hucks was something special to be fair. Could you imagine what we could have done as a club with hucks providing the ammunition holt firing the bullets and lambert providing the leadership. It would have been he greatest canary side of all time" Where''s that laughing smilie? Cheers, I needed a laugh.