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  1. [quote]I agree: constructive criticism good, mindless ranting bad. Getting things off your chest on this board good, booing the team at the ground bad. Maintaining some consistency in your views good (hi ZLF...[/quote] Actually RobertinManilla, might I ask what you expected the results to be for the first six games of this season? Expectations have unfortunately been raised as a result of the "success" of the last two years - Champions in 2003/04, into the Premiership through 2004/05. That''s irrespective of what some supporters have identified as weaknesses in the team - ZLF, has been consistent in his analysis of what he perceives is wrong. So it''s no surprise to me that some posters are a little unhappy here about the start to the season. Reading the forum during the summer months there were several posters who already had City pencilled in as 2005/06 Champions. As you rightly point out this division is harder to get out of than many people think. The over-riding question though is where has it all gone wrong? Is it simply that existing problems that were papered over in 2003/04 and 2004/05 have finally come home to roost? A dispassionate analysis of the team''s play over the six games this season would be appreciated by those of us who can''t get to watch the games - and I emphasise dispassionate analysis. ...
  2. [quote]Ok. Things are awful. And yes we are depressed. But let us do a Kipling and keep our heads when all about are losing theirs! There is too much panicky stuff at present. (and yes I do see why) Howev...[/quote] Vic, I think the telling match will be the match against Ipswich. To lose in a humiliating fashion to the local rivals could sound the death knell for Mr Worthington. As it stands he needs to do something to get the ship back on track before he loses the confidence of the players. He''s already losing the confidence of the supporters. If it continues I don''t think it will be long before the players begin to doubt him. ...
  3. [quote]The reasons Worthy shouldn''t go are not because of what he''s done (that''s in the past, no room for sentimentality in football) but because it''s too late, too costly and too bold a move for our board t...[/quote] Actually I disagree with your comments. Football is now a business. When the product becomes difficult to sell - poor performances, poor results and the like, then the managers of that business, the club''s board, are left with the decision on whether or not they change the product. As it stands Worthington is currently a part of producing that product. In fact I would say he is integral to the product. When the product becomes not fit for the purpose, "entertainment", then something has to change. In football, the easiest change to make is to bring in a new manager to add some fresh life to that failing product. The product currently on offer is clearly leaving a sour taste in some supporters mouths, "loyal" supporters and/or otherwise. What''s the quote so often bandied about - the only thing certain in life is death and taxes. Worthy does not have a god given right to a job with the club if he''s not producing the goods. So don''t go thinking that Worthy will alwsys be there. If the board is serious about the club then there will come a point where his future WILL be debated. And by the way why is it too late and too costly to consider changing the manager? ...
  4. [quote]Ok so most players desperate for a move have already gone, I think we know we would have to look to lower league talent to bulk out the squad and I think given that Morrison is going to palace we need...[/quote] You know what happened last time he hurried to bring in a centre half. We got one and played him as a centre forward!!!! ...
  5. [quote]Can no one remember the beautiful passing football we played under this mans sadly all to short reign. The quality signing that he brought in the club will always take some beating. If only he''d staye...[/quote] Don''t want to say it Rasputin but some time down the road there may be a note along the lines of: "Can no one remember the beautiful passing football we played under Worthy''s reign and how we capitulated to our fate and sealed our relegation with that woeful showing at Fulham on the last day of the Premiership season. The quality signings that he brought to the club will always be remembered, for their inability to adapt, their falling out with the manager and their playing in positions they were completely unfamiliar with. If only he''d stayed maybe we would have bounced straight back at the first attempt, but it''s all water under the bridge now." ...
  6. I wondered how long before that O''Neill''s name came up. Personally I think he''s the sort of manager that could take City to the next level. Tactically astute. A man who seems to get something more out of a team than the sum of it''s parts. Some would argue he''s had success at a club that has had cash to splash and in a league that many would describe as a pale imitation of the English Premiership, but we must not forget that he has managed to bring some level of success in Europe. However, he''s left the game at the moment for personal reasons so persuading him to come back into management might well prove to be difficult. ...
  7. [quote]loyal supporters. All this Worthy out, sack the board, players are crap business is extremely harmful to the club. We need to be patient because we know we have the players/squad/manager/board to get...[/quote] Dicky, whilst I applaud your call to arms for loyal support I think you''re turning on people who are loyal supporters who post here in the forum. You''ve tarred the detractors in here with the same brush that you tar the boo boys at Carrow Road. The boo boys are there simply because the team isn''t meeting their expectations for results. We are still equal second favourites to win the Championship this season with bookies William Hill. We''ve been like that from before the season in the bookies eyes. Secondly, if it hasn''t escaped your notice we''ve just come down from a season in the countrys toughest division - the Premiership. So the expectation for the side to perform against the lesser Championship sides is huge. And yes, I would consider Coventry and Crewe lesser sides. City have been found wanting in those initial games and that''s why the boo boys are there. The reason the detractors are here in the forum is because in their eyes the deficiencies of the last season have not been addressed. Last season we conceded on average 2 goals a game and mustered just over 1 per game in reply. Defensively we were poor. In the off-season City dispensed with the services of two fullbacks (Helveg and Edworthy) and four midfielders (Holt, Mulryne, Jonson, Francis). In response the full back issue has been addressed with like-for-like replacements. However, the key loss in the middle of the park hasn''t really been sorted. You could argue that Hughes for Holt, Jarrett for Mulryne, Marney for Jonson are all like-for-like replacements, but the loss of Francis is more significant than many may believe. At the same time the real issue about defensive fraility remains. An aging club captain and defensive "mainstay" is a year older. His protege, Doherty(?), remains unused and untried. So many posters continue to ask why hasn''t anything been done about it? Those detractors to Worthy and the team are loyal, they just expect a bit more based on what has gone before. They want the club to continue to move forward. That means getting results against lesser teams and being in with a shout of promotion, I''d even go as far as saying getting promotion. In retort you offer the detractors nothing other than "be loyal", "stop whining" but don''t offer us an explanation of why what you see on the pitch shows that there''s nothing to worry about. Come on explain for us "armchair supporters" why Worthy has got it all right and how City are really going to pull it together, because I don''t appear to have drunk the same "Gatorade" as you. ...
  8. [quote]Not quite what I said but thanks for trying. Perhaps I should leap off St Andrews car park after another home draw - would free up a seat for the next person on the waiting list. Perhaps I should sp...[/quote] Nobby, can I ask a question of you (and apologies for Dicky for taking this thread off at a tangent). You say, "What happens if we don''t get promoted? Do we all top ourselves or burn Worthy at the stake. No we grit our teeth and have another go." Would you consider that a step backwards for the club or do you not care? Would you contend that we should, on paper at least, be in with a shout of being up near the top of the division come season''s end? If we''re not do you think the club under the current coaching staff is still moving forward? See, personally, I want us to be progressing to the next level. None of this one season up, one season down stuff. I want us to be up there as a team solidifying it''s position in the top league in the country. We won''t be a Chelsea, Arsenal or Man U because simply we''re a provincial club. I don''t believe we could bring in the 60000+ crowds every week. But could City be a Charlton or a Bolton? Sure they can. Do you think that also or do you just not care where City are as long as you can see them play and win the odd game or two? ...
  9. [quote]And get in who? No answers so far.[/quote] First off I''m not advocating that Worthy should go but.....I have a question for those who post here that believe that "Worthy can do no wrong". Note that I''ve put that last bit in quotes as I''m trying to be tongue in cheek.At what point would you consider Worthy to outlived his tenure at the club?Several posters continue to remind us that he took the club from bottom of the table obscurity under Hamilton to Premiership participants. But when would you consider a change from his style of team management, if ever?...
  10. Once again we''ve seen a lot of threads this season, like last, with posters at apparent logger heads over Worthy''s management of the team. And as with last season it''s probably caused by peoples expectations for the club this season as much as anything else. So what do you expect from the club this season? For me: a) Exceeds expectations - promoted back to the Premiership in one of the automatic promotion spots. b) Meets expectations - in playoff spots with more than a 50% chance of successful promotion through that mechanism. c) Fails to meet expectations - outside the playoff spots but above a midtable finish. d) Abysmal failure - below midtable. For a side that has just come off of a Premiership season to finish this season below midtable would be absolutely appalling. With either c) or d) I believe the club has to sit down and discuss seriously whether Worthy and his staff can take the club to the next level. Standing by the coaching team can only go on so long as forward progress appears to being made. Going backwards doesn''t cut it but it doesn''t mean the managers head either, just an adjustment of the coaching team and techniques. So let''s take some of the emotion out of this and you give us what your expectations are for the season. ...
  11. I might be seen as a bit of a heretic with this post given the wealth of negativity that''s flowing following yesterdays result, but I actually think Nigel had it tactically right yesterday. It was like he''d read one of my posts from earlier in the week in the "Huckerby is not a left midfielder" thread. Now I didn''t go, I confess and yes I had to make do with Radio Norfolk commentary. Maybe one of the travelling fans can comment. But I got the impression that the team had a better shape across the middle of the park yesterday. A better balance even with Marney wide right and Brennan wide left. Both offering suitable cover to the two fullbacks. Huckerby appeared also to be a problem with him drifting out of the centre and making him difficult to pick-up. However, where it falls down was the lack of support to Ashton. His knock ons, his knock backs and so on, were not picked up by City players. The man you would expect to pick them up, Huckerby, had drifted wide. By all accounts City created a good number of chances to win the game by 3-1. Niemi''s save from Brennan. The header onto the post. The ball cleared off the line from Ashton. Luck just didn''t go our way. That said where I think Nigel did stumble was in the tactical substitutions. Ok, so take a defender off for a striker - Charlton for McKenzie. But at that point I would have gone for three at the back and retained the shape in the middle of the park with Marney, Jarrett, Safri and Brennan. Push McKenzie up front alongside Ashton and leave Huckerby to roam. Unfortunately he didn''t do that and immediately removed one of the supply lines to the strikeforce - Brennan. He then compounded the issue by bringing off Colin for Thorne and pushed Marney to right back. Where did Thorne go? So in this last aspect Nigel continues to show tactical naivety. A reluctance to abandon the old 4-4-2 setup he so clearly loves. It''s OK being adventurous with the substitutions but be prepared to adapt your shape as well. Going back to Tumbleweed''s original post - I do agree that the clock should now be ticking on Nigel and the staff, but as many others have already asked - we must give him at least 10 games. Yesterday we were once again unlucky - penalty and missed chances. As Huckerby said someone is going to get a clobbering from City. The question is when!! ...
  12. OK Andrew N answer me this. When you first saw the headline about Morrison signing on the Pink-Un homepage what was your initial reaction. Come on your initial reaction. See what concerns me in all of this is we''ve filled a need we didn''t have. We''ve bought another striker when indications are that we were in more need of either a young central defender or a central midfield player. So it''s no surprise that so many posters come on here expressing concern that the one striker that would conceivably attract interest from other clubs, Ashton, would be going. To me, at least, it was a logical reaction to the signing. Whilst it might be wailing I don''t see how any of it is whinging and whining. ...
  13. St. John, I''d love to offer you words of comfort on this one but afraid not. My immediate reaction to the headline on the Pink''Un site was twofold: 1) Why do we need another striker? 2) What does this mean about the future of Ashton? I suspect, and hope I''m wrong, that a deal has been done behind closed doors for Ashton to move to a bigger club either immediately or in the January transfer window. I sincerely hope that is not the case, but the purchase of another striker ranks up there alongside the purchase of a third able keeper before the start of the Premiership season. Fortunately that time round Green stayed. ...
  14. [quote]If you play in midfield of course you *should* run back and defend, its part of the job. However, Hucks is our most potent threat going forward (yes we do rely on him too much) and we need him to cons...[/quote] Putney, it does beg the question then as to why the club persists with playing him in that position. Worthy seems to have the mindset that he needs two "out-and-out" strikers, playing with one isn''t an option. He may even believe that Huckerby isn''t a striker and his threat comes from playing him in a deeper role so that he can build up his run into the opposition half. Unfortunately, I don''t think Worthy has bought off on the fact that by playing Huckerby in his wide left role he sacrifices some defensive protection that he would get from a left midfield player. Some variation of Huckerby''s role would be good from the perspective of giving the opposition something to think about. Playing up front for one game at the expense of Leon. Play him just off the two strikers for another game. Then play him wide left some other times. BUT, don''t play him wide left all the while as he becomes easier to stop. If City had two credible wide threats then double-teaming Huckerby wouldn''t be an option, but City don''t so to put two men on Huckerby isn''t such a difficult choice to make for opposition teams. It''s no doubt that he''s a fantastic attacking threat. I just don''t think the coaching staff have been flexible enough in his use. ...
  15. "I`m not into bashing Worthy ... there`s been much talk of where the buck stops ? and , to my way of thinking , the buck stops with the players !!!! its THEY who have to earn the silly money they get" - sheded Reading the post in another thread from sheded made me think about the question where does the buck stop at City? All of us could throw our hands in the air, whether we were there or not, at the 6-0 result against Fulham at the end of last season. I''m sure we could throw our hands in the air at some of our other results under Worthy and all the management teams that have proceeded him. But it raises that question about who is responsible for a teams poor performance? Worthy clearly thought the team picked for Fulham was the right team. He picked an 11 that he thought would do the job. He picked team tactics that he similarly thought would do the job. It didn''t because ultimately the team let him, and the supporters, down - big time. Was it poor preparation? Was it poor prematch motivation? When it comes to sackings the buck ultimately stops with the manager as he is judged on his teams results, but what can he do once he''s sent his 11 onto the "battlefield"? I''ve always believed that ultimately it''s down to the manager, but players can be like petulant kids who strut around with that arrogant air sometimes and then simply go on the pitch and perform like sulky children who couldn''t care less. What does the gaffer do about that? If he can''t see it before the match - not a lot. 11 sulkers doesn''t leave him enough options with substitutions. The thing that City don''t appear to have that they have had in the past is a on the field general. Somebody that can spot when things are going wrong and make an adjustment without words from the manager. Think back over the "generals" that City have had that have made a difference - Forbes/Stringer, Bruce, Roberts, Mackay. Do we have one now? Would they make a difference? What do you think? ...
  16. Interesting discussion this one. It''s a bit "can''t live with him, can''t live without him". How about you play Hucks up front with Deano for the first 60 minutes of a game at the expense of Leon. If Hucks is tiring or City hold the lead bring Hucks off and give Leon 30 minutes to go out there and harry the hell out of the opposition back four? In his place on the left hand side of midfield you give a game to either McVeigh, Brennan or even Charlton. Alternatively you find a quality central midfield player and play Safri on the left with Hughes in the holding role. When he plays do you think Hucks causes the rest of the team to stop thinking about other attacking options? Does he cause them to opt for the "easy" option and simply give him the ball? ...
  17. [quote]This message was incorrectly posted (by me) to the ''Transfer Talk'' site. It should now appear where I first intended. Sorry! A couple of complimentary comments with other suggestions so far but w...[/quote] Yellow that is a really good post. I don''t think we can ignore that loads of people are disappointed with the results in the first three games. On paper, and it was just on paper, 7 points didn''t really seem beyond the club. However, the reality is much harsher. We seem to have forgotten how difficult the division is to get out of. Those 9 years in the wilderness seem to have been lost from memory because of that one season in the glory-land. I am concerned about the points you raised about the coaching staff though. "3. The manager and coaches need to actively try and improve certain flaws ... 4. Creativity in team selection and tactics when things aren''t going well ... 6. Coaches to encourage Hughes to focus on his touch and vision and not be afraid to play the difficult ball ..." I''ll ask a question of the rest of the noting populace (quite clearly I never see a match) of those three points of YRs original post that I highlighted, how many do you believe Worthy and his staff really address? Number 4 is a crucial one for me. Of the times that I have watched City on a full recorded match they have shown an inability to adapt. Stifle the attacking threat of Huckerby and the team seem unable to try something different. In that respect alone Worthy has to be prepared to be more flexible in the way he uses his tactics. If Huckerby is being tailed by two players make a change that means he''s not restricted to the left hand side of the park - bring off one of the strikers and play a left sided midfield player then giving Hucks freedom to roam. In the promotion season against West Brom at home I watched the full game and was disappointed in the lack of ideas from City. They''re going to come up against lots of teams this season that shut up shop and play for a draw. The staff and team need to be adaptable enough to change their tactics to try and break the opposition down. That extra 2 points could ultimately be the difference between being outside the promotion spots or the playoff spots. As supporters we can see these things I''m very concerned that the staff don''t. What''s more alarming is that the inflexibility has been there for the last season and a half. I''m worried that it''s going to continue into this season. The other thing I''d like to see from Worthy is a belief in the youth system. He seems to have ignored the prospects that the academy system brings through the club. Shackell has obviously been the exception. So in that respect I fear your point 7 would also be a forlorn hope. Personally I''m of the opinion that if a player is good enough then he should have the chance irrespective of his age. ...
  18. [quote]I think people have missed the point of Dicky''s post, taking only one line and jumping on it! If you read again, Dicky is pretty much referring to those who have been booing at the end of the games -...[/quote] EvilMonkey, here''s the line from Dicky''s post that may have raised a few hackles. "Which is why it really p1sses me off to hear the booing after games by so called supporters and the constant whinging on this forum (a lot of the time by people who don''t even go to games, so are commenting on things based on second hand information)." Those are the words Dicky used, so to comment that several people jumped on a second line of his post you might find they felt they had reason to. I''d say 95% of the people who post on this board are supporters of this club in one form or another. Do you have to attend to be a supporter? The dictionary definition of supporter from Chambers Online - someone who gives a specified institution such as a sport, a team, a political party, etc their active backing, approval, promotion, etc. I''d think that 95% I mentioned earlier all qualify. We''re loyal to our club. We are active in our backing of the club. We give the club our approval. We promote the club. Are we all brilliant supporters? Who can tell. Do we all attend every home game and/or every away game? Probably not. I''ve been a supporter for over 30 years now. A season ticket holder in the season when they first got to Division 1 as it was then. I''ve followed them down Wembley way twice for the Spurs League Cup final and the Sunderland Milk Cup final. Do I have a right to want the best from the club? I think so. I''ve put some of my hard earned cash into the club just like several other posters here - the little certificate in my drawer proves it. If I had £8 million to put in, I would. But, I don''t. I live in Scotland and I can''t make the journey down for the games. If I could financially afford to, would I? You''re damned right. Am I a brilliant supporter? In Dicky''s eyes probably not. BUT I am a supporter. I proudly wear the yellow and green. I listen to the games whenever I''m able (family permitting). I follow the press, the after game phone calls, the discussion on this board. Every one of us has the right to express their opinions about the way the club is performing on this board. It''s called freedom of speech. If we complain does it make any one of us a lesser supporter? NO WAY. We just have a different expectations and aspirations from the other supporters noting here. So instead of complaining about the whingers be constructive and argue the opposing view and identify where their argument is weak and your counter argument is strong. But don''t simply say that any of the "whingers" are any less a supporter than yourself, because it probably ain''t true. ...
  19. Tumbleweed, why wouldn''t you put Brennan in on the left side of midfield. It provides Drury with much needed defensive cover. Plus Brennan appears to be able to knock in a decent cross. ...
  20. Overheard a caller to Canary Call on Saturday make some comment about having spoken to Roger Munby about the £1.5 million from the Francis transfer and being told by Munby that there was no point in spending £1.5 million on a player in this division. If that''s what was said I have to say I''m a little taken aback. There was a thread previously about Worthy''s penchant for hard working players and how some posters were happy to have people who were prepared to get those noses to the grindstone and work. Now whilst I sympathise with this notion I think you need to be prepared to take a risk on quality in order to make a difference in the football world. For example, Huckerby in the promotion season. I would say that for this division, a player that can turn a game is crucial for your promotion prospects. Hucks isn''t it this season as teams know how he works. So should the club continue the Worthy trend for hard working staff and bring in a couple of players for the money or should it push the boat out to bring in a quality player for the middle of the park that could be the difference between 1 point results and 3 point results? Personally I''m for the latter. Use that transfer money to bring in a quality central midfield player that is capable of orchestrating things when the team is not quite playing the way it should. But what do you think? ...
  21. [quote]I think there''s a lot of point. Stop slating the team continuously.[/quote] OK Dicky, you''ve hit back with the standard one-line retort to those of us who are wanting, nay expecting, more. Why do you think the performances and results that we''ve seen so far from the club are acceptable? Some reasons that I''ve seen posted so far: a) new players - coming in Louis-Jean, Colin, Hughes, Marney, Thorne; b) departing players who formed such an integral part of the team - Francis, Holt, Helveg, Jonson, Edworthy, Mulryne, Crow; c) pre-season injuries hampering preparations; d) needing time to bed-in [I''ll give you this one but only to a degree - I''ve played football at various levels through my adult life and whilst it does take some time to get used to a player I don''t completely buy this one. These guys work with each other for five days a week on the training ground. You can build as much of a rapport on the training ground as you can on the pitch and it goes a hell of a way to bedding a player in. Agreed it''s not competitive football but you do get used to the way a player thinks and plays.] What the detractors have been saying is that the problems so apparent from last season have not been attended to in the off-season or the pre-season: a) sitting too deep when leading; b) losing shape when leading; c) failing to break teams down; d) failing to put games away when they have the upper hand; and so on. These can only be laid at the feet of the coaching staff. If the supporters can see the problems why can''t the staff? And if they can why hasn''t anything been done about it? The detractors want a little more from their club, are they asking too much? I don''t think so. So all you posters who think all is right with the club be prepared to post why, rather than the normal comeback of "it''s Norwich City, it can''t be broke, so lay off with the criticism and get behind the team". The detractors are behind the team but we expect a little more from the team. ...
  22. [quote]Plenty of people are sharing ideas Dicky but you appear to have limitations in your capacity to absorb them. With regard to your comment about getting behind this product, let me ask you a few questio...[/quote] YC, so eloquently put. There are a number of anti-gripers on this board who offer us no more than the "that''s boring, sing from another song sheet" type replies and consider that nothing is wrong with the clubs performance. Sorry guys but take off the yellow and green tinted specs. If you can''t do that at least have the courtesy to tell us why you think every thing is rosy. Personally, I think we''ve dropped six points in the first three games. A seven point haul from Coventry, Crewe and Palace didn''t seem unrealistic at season kick-off. However, here we sit on three points and only four points back on the front runners. I would agree that it may be too early to panic but at what point do you start to panic? Let''s assume Wolves continues to stay up near the top. If the gap gets to more than six points between us and them would you start to worry? More than six points and you''re relying on them to slip up - more than possible in this division. ...
  23. [quote]The early signs are concerning but its a new club for him coming from a relegated team and I do not think we can judge him on the evidence of just two games. Tuesday was poor but he deserves a fewmor...[/quote] Actually ZLF I''m not sure I agree that we give him further time to bed in. I''ve just watched the highlights of the two matches so far on CanariesWorld. On both the goals we''ve conceded so far MLJ has been off up the field playing in centre midfield. Hats off to Fleming for the attempt to stop the Crewe goal as he really committed himself to making a saving tackle. That said, it does also raise the question about the lack of cover from right midfield. Where was Marney when Crewe''s Varney picked up the ball and ran at the defense. Sure MLJ got himself pulled out of position but where was his cover from midfield. If the right back goes forward, the wide right midfield guy has to cover. That didn''t happen and MLJ was left in no mans land. ...
  24. Tell me folks, is Jurgen Colin not an option at centre back?As someone suggested in the "lineup vs Coventry" note a back four of:Louis-Jean Colin Shackell Drurywouldn''t be all bad. But is does assume that Colin is capable of playing centre half rather than simply right back....
  25. Nope. I''m with NavMan. There''s an expectation from the fans and, possibly the players, that it will be easy and it won''t. Best to hope for is a playoff spot. ...
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