Ban all Leeds fans from future away games

[Yellow Messiah 0]

The scum of the earth. Mindless yobs who find punching people "fun". Disgraceful scenes at Hillsborough, it''s not just one person, it''s the mentality of that vile club.

[Smudger 0]

Don''t be so ridiculous.

[Tim Dawson 0]

Scum of the earth, ban them, sorry Smudger, nice to see you back

[Smudger 0]

They have a high proportion of their fan base that cause trouble, but every set of supporters has them.  It''s a dangerous route to take by categorising all football fans, or all fans of one particular club to be trouble makers.  That is the route that the authorities took during the 1980''s.The police need to look at themselves and ask why are incidents like this occuring.This was a high profile derby match where the South Yorkshire Police should be anticipating trouble.  Why was this Leeds fan allowed to run on to the pitch, assault the home teams goalkeeper and leave the pitch (and from what is being said the stadium) without being challenged by Security and more importantly South Yorkshire Police?I agree that those caught commiting such offences should be punished, but to punish all is not the answer.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

Sense from Smudger??

 

But he''s right. We don''t ever want to go down that road again. These are not football hooligans. They are hooligans who happen to be at a football match. We should not let them hide amongst us ever again.

 

 

[Timmah 0]

I know a few LUFC fans and to be fair they are good guys. You can''t tar them all with the same brush, some of them are absolute diamonds. I can think of at least 3 I''d happily shake by the hand just off the top of my head.

[Baldyboy 1]

how can we condemn Serbia fans after this? In my mind it was actually WORSE than what happened in Serbia!!!

[Bill 1,788]

Ban all Leeds fans.

 

They serve no use other than to remind the rest of us how much having a speech impediment can cause a massive chip* on ones shoulder.

 

Let them watch games from home or the pubs, swilling their half pints

 

 

* a fat, greasy lump of potato

 

 

[Gingerpele 0]

Worse than Serbia?

This was one fan.

In Serbia is was racist chants followed by violence, including one of their coaches I believe.

I fail to see how one fan being a co plate and utter tw@t is worse than a bunch of fans being racist and violent...

[lake district canary 0]

[quote user="Smudger"]They have a high proportion of their fan base that cause trouble, but every set of supporters has them.  It''s a dangerous route to take by categorising all football fans, or all fans of one particular club to be trouble makers.  That is the route that the authorities took during the 1980''s. The police need to look at themselves and ask why are incidents like this occuring. This was a high profile derby match where the South Yorkshire Police should be anticipating trouble.  Why was this Leeds fan allowed to run on to the pitch, assault the home teams goalkeeper and leave the pitch (and from what is being said the stadium) without being challenged by Security and more importantly South Yorkshire Police?  I agree that those caught commiting such offences should be punished, but to punish all is not the answer.

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I strongly disagree - an example needs to be made. To do this kind of thing at Hillsborough of all places just makes it even worse.   This yob is just part of a thuggish element at Leeds that is more high profile  than at other clubs.   Leeds - if they are to be seen as a decent club at all need to respond to this with strength.    Presumably this yob will be recognised and caught.   He should be locked up as an example - with as much publicity and humiliation as is possible.      An example needs to be set and the riot act read to the Leeds fans too - however, these kind of thugs are a law to themselves and it would fall on deaf ears.   The club has to be punished imo - Leeds fans banned - as a message to any other fans at leeds and elsewhere who think this kind of behaviour is acceptable/funny/clever.  

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Smudger"]They have a high proportion of their fan base that cause trouble, but every set of supporters has them.  It''s a dangerous route to take by categorising all football fans, or all fans of one particular club to be trouble makers.  That is the route that the authorities took during the 1980''s. The police need to look at themselves and ask why are incidents like this occuring. This was a high profile derby match where the South Yorkshire Police should be anticipating trouble.  Why was this Leeds fan allowed to run on to the pitch, assault the home teams goalkeeper and leave the pitch (and from what is being said the stadium) without being challenged by Security and more importantly South Yorkshire Police?  I agree that those caught commiting such offences should be punished, but to punish all is not the answer.


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I strongly disagree - an example needs to be made.

To do this kind of thing at Hillsborough of all places just makes it even worse.   This yob is just part of a thuggish element at Leeds that is more high profile  than at other clubs.   Leeds - if they are to be seen as a decent club at all need to respond to this with strength.    Presumably this yob will be recognised and caught.   He should be locked up as an example - with as much publicity and humiliation as is possible.      An example needs to be set and the riot act read to the Leeds fans too - however, these kind of thugs are a law to themselves and it would fall on deaf ears.   The club has to be punished imo - Leeds fans banned - as a message to any other fans at leeds and elsewhere who think this kind of behaviour is acceptable/funny/clever.  






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What do you strongly disagree with Lakey. Both of you seem to think the guilty should be punished. If you think all football fans are guilty by association the you are Margaret Thatcher and I claim my £5.

 

 

[Miss Jane Marple 0]

My dear LDC. I very much hope he is in a police cell already.

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Smudger"]They have a high proportion of their fan base that cause trouble, but every set of supporters has them.  It''s a dangerous route to take by categorising all football fans, or all fans of one particular club to be trouble makers.  That is the route that the authorities took during the 1980''s. The police need to look at themselves and ask why are incidents like this occuring. This was a high profile derby match where the South Yorkshire Police should be anticipating trouble.  Why was this Leeds fan allowed to run on to the pitch, assault the home teams goalkeeper and leave the pitch (and from what is being said the stadium) without being challenged by Security and more importantly South Yorkshire Police?  I agree that those caught commiting such offences should be punished, but to punish all is not the answer.

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I strongly disagree - an example needs to be made. To do this kind of thing at Hillsborough of all places just makes it even worse.   This yob is just part of a thuggish element at Leeds that is more high profile  than at other clubs.   Leeds - if they are to be seen as a decent club at all need to respond to this with strength.    Presumably this yob will be recognised and caught.   He should be locked up as an example - with as much publicity and humiliation as is possible.      An example needs to be set and the riot act read to the Leeds fans too - however, these kind of thugs are a law to themselves and it would fall on deaf ears.   The club has to be punished imo - Leeds fans banned - as a message to any other fans at leeds and elsewhere who think this kind of behaviour is acceptable/funny/clever.  

[/quote]You see this is where I have a real issue.The police are paid good money to police football matches and prevent this type of incident from occuring.That said, then why was this individual allowed to leave the pitch and why is he not sitting in a police custody suite/cell as we speak?It''s bad enough that he wasn''t stopped prior to assaulting Kirkland in the first place, but being allowed to leave the scene of the crime when witnessed by so many and with police being present is pretty unbelieveable!

[hogesar 10,763]

[quote user="Smudger"]They have a high proportion of their fan base that cause trouble, but every set of supporters has them.  It''s a dangerous route to take by categorising all football fans, or all fans of one particular club to be trouble makers.  That is the route that the authorities took during the 1980''s.The police need to look at themselves and ask why are incidents like this occuring.This was a high profile derby match where the South Yorkshire Police should be anticipating trouble.  Why was this Leeds fan allowed to run on to the pitch, assault the home teams goalkeeper and leave the pitch (and from what is being said the stadium) without being challenged by Security and more importantly South Yorkshire Police?I agree that those caught commiting such offences should be punished, but to punish all is not the answer.

[/quote]Agree 100%Come across enough dirty Leeds fans to know that they have a few more idiots than most, doesn''t mean all football fans are now Hooligans (which i can guarantee a couple of tomorrows stories in the paper will try to illustrate).

[lake district canary 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Smudger"]They have a high proportion of their fan base that cause trouble, but every set of supporters has them.  It''s a dangerous route to take by categorising all football fans, or all fans of one particular club to be trouble makers.  That is the route that the authorities took during the 1980''s. The police need to look at themselves and ask why are incidents like this occuring. This was a high profile derby match where the South Yorkshire Police should be anticipating trouble.  Why was this Leeds fan allowed to run on to the pitch, assault the home teams goalkeeper and leave the pitch (and from what is being said the stadium) without being challenged by Security and more importantly South Yorkshire Police?  I agree that those caught commiting such offences should be punished, but to punish all is not the answer.

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I strongly disagree - an example needs to be made. To do this kind of thing at Hillsborough of all places just makes it even worse.   This yob is just part of a thuggish element at Leeds that is more high profile  than at other clubs.   Leeds - if they are to be seen as a decent club at all need to respond to this with strength.    Presumably this yob will be recognised and caught.   He should be locked up as an example - with as much publicity and humiliation as is possible.      An example needs to be set and the riot act read to the Leeds fans too - however, these kind of thugs are a law to themselves and it would fall on deaf ears.   The club has to be punished imo - Leeds fans banned - as a message to any other fans at leeds and elsewhere who think this kind of behaviour is acceptable/funny/clever.  

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What do you strongly disagree with Lakey. Both of you seem to think the guilty should be punished. If you think all football fans are guilty by association the you are Margaret Thatcher and I claim my £5.

 

 

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The kind of behaviour seen tonight is a disgrace to the sport of football.    Its the laughing response of the Leeds fans around the scene after the event that kind of gives it away that plainly at least some other fans thought this was a "big" thing to do.     Also there were other fans on the edge of the pitch just behind the goal.       Unfortunately, this kind of mob behaviour led to one twerp going too far  - but to say it was just one person involved is a little rich.    Its the rule of the mob rearing its ugly head.   

Sorry, but I think the club/fans need to be punished.    It wasn''t just one drunken idiot - like that twot at Carrow Rd last season.   This was more than that.       

[Baldyboy 1]

so assaulting somebody is worse than verbal abuse? really, we will beg to differ on that, especially as I have suffered both and know which one is worse!! If I came and slapped you in the face you would brush it off then? Doubt it, easier to prove than verbal abuse too!! As I said thats my opinion if yours is different thats your right!!

[Gingerpele 0]

There was more than verbal abuse in Serbia.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Smudger"]They have a high proportion of their fan base that cause trouble, but every set of supporters has them.  It''s a dangerous route to take by categorising all football fans, or all fans of one particular club to be trouble makers.  That is the route that the authorities took during the 1980''s. The police need to look at themselves and ask why are incidents like this occuring. This was a high profile derby match where the South Yorkshire Police should be anticipating trouble.  Why was this Leeds fan allowed to run on to the pitch, assault the home teams goalkeeper and leave the pitch (and from what is being said the stadium) without being challenged by Security and more importantly South Yorkshire Police?  I agree that those caught commiting such offences should be punished, but to punish all is not the answer.


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I strongly disagree - an example needs to be made.

To do this kind of thing at Hillsborough of all places just makes it even worse.   This yob is just part of a thuggish element at Leeds that is more high profile  than at other clubs.   Leeds - if they are to be seen as a decent club at all need to respond to this with strength.    Presumably this yob will be recognised and caught.   He should be locked up as an example - with as much publicity and humiliation as is possible.      An example needs to be set and the riot act read to the Leeds fans too - however, these kind of thugs are a law to themselves and it would fall on deaf ears.   The club has to be punished imo - Leeds fans banned - as a message to any other fans at leeds and elsewhere who think this kind of behaviour is acceptable/funny/clever.  


[/quote]

 

What do you strongly disagree with Lakey. Both of you seem to think the guilty should be punished. If you think all football fans are guilty by association the you are Margaret Thatcher and I claim my £5.

 

 

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The kind of behaviour seen tonight is a disgrace to the sport of football.    Its the laughing response of the Leeds fans around the scene after the event that kind of gives it away that plainly at least some other fans thought this was a "big" thing to do.     Also there were other fans on the edge of the pitch just behind the goal.       Unfortunately, this kind of mob behaviour led to one twerp going too far  - but to say it was just one person involved is a little rich.    Its the rule of the mob rearing its ugly head.   


Sorry, but I think the club/fans need to be punished.    It wasn''t just one drunken idiot - like that twot at Carrow Rd last season.   This was more than that. 

     



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Then however many it was identify them and punish them. But as soon as you generalise it we will become guilty by association Lakey. We''ve seen it all before. The majority of people in government and indeed in the country have no interest in football. They do not differentiate between one clubs fans and anothers. These people must remain individuals otherwise we will be back where all football fans are tarred with the same brush. We really don''t want to go back there.

 

 

[William Darby 0]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Smudger"]They have a high proportion of their fan base that cause trouble, but every set of supporters has them.  It''s a dangerous route to take by categorising all football fans, or all fans of one particular club to be trouble makers.  That is the route that the authorities took during the 1980''s. The police need to look at themselves and ask why are incidents like this occuring. This was a high profile derby match where the South Yorkshire Police should be anticipating trouble.  Why was this Leeds fan allowed to run on to the pitch, assault the home teams goalkeeper and leave the pitch (and from what is being said the stadium) without being challenged by Security and more importantly South Yorkshire Police?  I agree that those caught commiting such offences should be punished, but to punish all is not the answer.

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I strongly disagree - an example needs to be made. To do this kind of thing at Hillsborough of all places just makes it even worse.   This yob is just part of a thuggish element at Leeds that is more high profile  than at other clubs.   Leeds - if they are to be seen as a decent club at all need to respond to this with strength.    Presumably this yob will be recognised and caught.   He should be locked up as an example - with as much publicity and humiliation as is possible.      An example needs to be set and the riot act read to the Leeds fans too - however, these kind of thugs are a law to themselves and it would fall on deaf ears.   The club has to be punished imo - Leeds fans banned - as a message to any other fans at leeds and elsewhere who think this kind of behaviour is acceptable/funny/clever.  

[/quote]

 

What do you strongly disagree with Lakey. Both of you seem to think the guilty should be punished. If you think all football fans are guilty by association the you are Margaret Thatcher and I claim my £5.

 

 

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The kind of behaviour seen tonight is a disgrace to the sport of football.    Its the laughing response of the Leeds fans around the scene after the event that kind of gives it away that plainly at least some other fans thought this was a "big" thing to do.     Also there were other fans on the edge of the pitch just behind the goal.       Unfortunately, this kind of mob behaviour led to one twerp going too far  - but to say it was just one person involved is a little rich.    Its the rule of the mob rearing its ugly head.   

Sorry, but I think the club/fans need to be punished.    It wasn''t just one drunken idiot - like that twot at Carrow Rd last season.   This was more than that.       

[/quote]In my opinion this needs to be the case.  In this case we''re not talking about a loan streaker or a protester running onto the pitch.  We''re talking about a cowardly idiot who assaulted a player and a baying mob cheering and letting him slip back into the crowd.

[Gingerpele 0]

And actually, I''d argue racism (especially if its a group of people) is worse than one act of violence. Both are stupid and wrong, but look at what happened on Serbia after the chants? Rose kicked the ball into the crowd in retaliation, and a mini riot broke out. What happened after that low life hit Kirkland? Not much, other than some fan outrage.

Of course violence can cause more violence, but we are talking about those two incidents. Kirkland won''t even have a bruise t show for his troubles. It was wrong and I hope this Leeds fan goes to prison and is never allowed to watch a game of football again in his life. But more people were effected in the Serbia incident. And I''d argue that being the subject of racist abuse is going to take more of a toll on a person than a slap.

[lake district canary 0]

I understand your point Nutty, but its the law of the jungle.  If the thuggish element takes a hold of football again we''ll all be up the swanee.   No one wants all fans to be tarred with the same brush - but as you say it happens already.     The only way is to eradicate thuggishness wherever it rears its head.   This has been bubbling away at Leeds for a while  with a portion of their fans.   Its not easy to pick out individuals - unless one does something like he did tonight - but violent cultures are dangerous - violence breeds violence - that''s presumably why the police stewards didn''t wade in.    The message imo has to be loud and clear  - and that means sanction the Leeds fans.   The  resulting outcry from innocent leeds fans should be against the thuggish element at their club - not against any punishment they might be given as a whole.

 

[William Darby 0]

[quote user="Gingerpele"]And actually, I''d argue racism (especially if its a group of people) is worse than one act of violence. Both are stupid and wrong, but look at what happened on Serbia after the chants? Rose kicked the ball into the crowd in retaliation, and a mini riot broke out. What happened after that low life hit Kirkland? Not much, other than some fan outrage.

Of course violence can cause more violence, but we are talking about those two incidents. Kirkland won''t even have a bruise t show for his troubles. It was wrong and I hope this Leeds fan goes to prison and is never allowed to watch a game of football again in his life. But more people were effected in the Serbia incident. And I''d argue that being the subject of racist abuse is going to take more of a toll on a person than a slap.[/quote]Apparently he''s already been named and is already banned!!

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="The Pinkun Role Model"]

In my opinion this needs to be the case.  In this case we''re not talking about a loan streaker or a protester running onto the pitch.  We''re talking about a cowardly idiot who assaulted a player and a baying mob cheering and letting him slip back into the crowd.[/quote]It was the police who let this individual slip back in to the crowd.  They were the only ones who were employed this evening to prevent crime happening at Hillsborough.As for the hypocrisy, I assume that you and others here would have shopped a NCFC fan if they were responsible for doing something similar at Portman Road?  I know a lot of you would like to play the good samaritan here, but the majority of NCFC fans would probably applaud an NCFC fan if they done something similar at Portman Road in the heat of the middle of a derby match.  It doesn''t make it right, but if any of you believe that this would not be the case then I think that you are living in cloudcuckooland.The police are responsible for punishing the individuals who were responsible.  There is no way that a blanket punishment should be handed down.  We had the idiot Liverpool fan on the pitch at Carrow Road amking rude gestures at the NCFC fans last season.  If some of you lot get your way then a few more events like this and all English Clubs will be banned from Europe for the best part of ten years again.

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="lake district canary"]I understand your point Nutty, but its the law of the jungle.  If the thuggish element takes a hold of football again we''ll all be up the swanee.   No one wants all fans to be tarred with the same brush - but as you say it happens already.     The only way is to eradicate thuggishness wherever it rears its head.   This has been bubbling away at Leeds for a while  with a portion of their fans.   Its not easy to pick out individuals - unless one does something like he did tonight - but violent cultures are dangerous - violence breeds violence - that''s presumably why the police stewards didn''t wade in.    The message imo has to be loud and clear  - and that means sanction the Leeds fans.   The  resulting outcry from innocent leeds fans should be against the thuggish element at their club - not against any punishment they might be given as a whole.

 

[/quote]They failed to pick up this individual when it happened though, as they fail to pick up so many incidents.  Far too reliant upon CCTV rather than direct old fashioned policing methods.I would say incidents like this, screened on TV, where an individual does something like that without being challenged by stewards or police sends out a far stronger message than any punishment handed down by the courts or the Football League.It sends out a message that it is still possible to commit such crimes and not be caught.On this occasion it appears that the Police may be lucky that this was a known repeat offender.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="lake district canary"]I understand your point Nutty, but its the law of the jungle.  If the thuggish element takes a hold of football again we''ll all be up the swanee.   No one wants all fans to be tarred with the same brush - but as you say it happens already.     The only way is to eradicate thuggishness wherever it rears its head.   This has been bubbling away at Leeds for a while  with a portion of their fans.   Its not easy to pick out individuals - unless one does something like he did tonight - but violent cultures are dangerous - violence breeds violence - that''s presumably why the police stewards didn''t wade in.    The message imo has to be loud and clear  - and that means sanction the Leeds fans.   The  resulting outcry from innocent leeds fans should be against the thuggish element at their club - not against any punishment they might be given as a whole.


 



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I understand your point too buddy. But I think we should learn from the mistakes of the past and not repeat them. Coming down hard on individuals will be much more of a deterrent than coming down on a group. You could be part of that group next time. There were people like you and I there Lakey. When you go away you all sit together. Identify the guilty and punish them.

 

 

[William Darby 0]

[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="The Pinkun Role Model"]

In my opinion this needs to be the case.  In this case we''re not talking about a loan streaker or a protester running onto the pitch.  We''re talking about a cowardly idiot who assaulted a player and a baying mob cheering and letting him slip back into the crowd.[/quote]It was the police who let this individual slip back in to the crowd.  They were the only ones who were employed this evening to prevent crime happening at Hillsborough.As for the hypocrisy, I assume that you and others here would have shopped a NCFC fan if they were responsible for doing something similar at Portman Road?  I know a lot of you would like to play the good samaritan here, but the majority of NCFC fans would probably applaud an NCFC fan if they done something similar at Portman Road in the heat of the middle of a derby match.  It doesn''t make it right, but if any of you believe that this would not be the case then I think that you are living in cloudcuckooland.The police are responsible for punishing the individuals who were responsible.  There is no way that a blanket punishment should be handed down.  We had the idiot Liverpool fan on the pitch at Carrow Road amking rude gestures at the NCFC fans last season.  If some of you lot get your way then a few more events like this and all English Clubs will be banned from Europe for the best part of ten years again.

[/quote]Police don''t punish, it''s the courts.Anyway if an idiot ran onto the pitch an assaulted any player then attempted to jump back into the crowd next to me. I shove his sorry arse back pitch side.  Now that''s up to you whether you believe or not.

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="The Pinkun Role Model"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="The Pinkun Role Model"]

In my opinion this needs to be the case.  In this case we''re not talking about a loan streaker or a protester running onto the pitch.  We''re talking about a cowardly idiot who assaulted a player and a baying mob cheering and letting him slip back into the crowd.[/quote]It was the police who let this individual slip back in to the crowd.  They were the only ones who were employed this evening to prevent crime happening at Hillsborough.As for the hypocrisy, I assume that you and others here would have shopped a NCFC fan if they were responsible for doing something similar at Portman Road?  I know a lot of you would like to play the good samaritan here, but the majority of NCFC fans would probably applaud an NCFC fan if they done something similar at Portman Road in the heat of the middle of a derby match.  It doesn''t make it right, but if any of you believe that this would not be the case then I think that you are living in cloudcuckooland.The police are responsible for punishing the individuals who were responsible.  There is no way that a blanket punishment should be handed down.  We had the idiot Liverpool fan on the pitch at Carrow Road amking rude gestures at the NCFC fans last season.  If some of you lot get your way then a few more events like this and all English Clubs will be banned from Europe for the best part of ten years again.

[/quote]Police don''t punish, it''s the courts.Anyway if an idiot ran onto the pitch an assaulted any player then attempted to jump back into the crowd next to me. I shove his sorry arse back pitch side.  Now that''s up to you whether you believe or not.[/quote]Yes my error there in rushing my post.  What I meant to say is that the police are responsible for stepping in when they witness a crime, ensuring that the culprits are arrested and also ensuring that the area in which the crime was commited is secure if necessary (or if their is a posibility of further crime breaking out).I believe that you may do what you say you would do if an NCFC commited such a crime at Portman Road.  What I doub''t is that the majority would act in a similar way to yourself.  By you shoving said individual back pitchside the liklihood of more crime taking place increases and their is also a possibility that you could be arrested for your actions.

[HowsonIsGod 0]

Its an absolute disgrace. But the harsh reality is that if this game wasn''t televised or being hyped as a ''proper old fashioned derby'' the media wouldn''t of given it much recognition. After all who remembers hearing about this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8507503.stm

No? Thought not...

[Yobocop 1,444]

Have to say I agree with ginger pele here!!

[morty 0]

[quote user="HowsonIsGod"]Its an absolute disgrace. But the harsh reality is that if this game wasn''t televised or being hyped as a ''proper old fashioned derby'' the media wouldn''t of given it much recognition. After all who remembers hearing about this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8507503.stm

No? Thought not...[/quote]Yeah I do.I''m fairly sure I chuckled about it too.