Roy Hodgson

[norfolkchance1 0]

Did anyone else see his interview on Sky Sports after the Aston Villa game West Brom had had at the weekend in which the Villa player Herd was sent off for an alleged stamp that no-one could see. Hodgson was adamant it was a sending off and that it was a deliberate attempt to injure the WBA player Olsson (yet Olsson made nothing of the challenge)

After our incident with James Vaughan and Tamas''s elbow and the subsequent denial by Hodgson that the elbow was deliberate when everyone else both who''d played the game and who hadn''t thought that it was including a great number of West Brom fans.

In both these incidents Hodgson has taken the polar opposite view and in both cases the decisions have been reviewed and overturned from what they were.

For a man who I had a decent amount of respect for and who I thought was a bit harshly treated by Liverpool should cut out this sort of nonsense. Yes its defending his team but I think you can only do that to a point before the sport is brought into disrepute not to mention making himself look foolish.

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,424]

Is that like when Lambert said Ruddy shouldn''t have been sent off and it wasn''t a penalty against Chelsea, despite everyone else saying that the correct decision was made on both?

 

 

[canarydan23 4,761]

Everyone else said it was the correct decision did they? What a strange thing to use as a comparison.

What about the people who saw Ramires push the ball too far and that a clear goalscoring opportunity, which must be stolen from a player for a red card to be correct, had not actually been denied.

It was a penalty, but Lambert did not refute that at all. As for a red card, that was either harsh in the eyes of some or completely incorrect in the eyes of the rest.

Either way, to compare Lambert defending that decision to Hodgson defending a player who has violently assaulted another or Hodgson stating that an innocent player (as clarified by the FA) deserved to be red carded?

Are you GedSteroo under another alais?

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,424]

What I am saying is that managers will always back their players and always disagree with decisions against their team or agree with decisions that help their team. This is why the instant post match interviews are always pretty worthless. It''s nothing new or surprising.

 

Anyway, I''m pretty sure Lambert did refute it was a penalty. At least he did in the post match press conference, he may have changed his mind later.

[canarydan23 4,761]

Hodgson''s defence of Tamas continued after his post-match conference.

And Lambert''s words regarding the penalty and the red card were never more resolute than describing it as "harsh".

What Hodgson has done is worse than Wenger''s "I didn''t see it" line he regularly peddles. Both the incidents that the OP refers to were clear and blatant errors by the match officials, one of which involved one of the most sickening elbows I have witnessed on a football field for many seasons.

If it had been Wenger defending his players on these incidents, there would be uproar. However, as it is nice guy Hodgson, people, even the fans of the aggrieved opposition, don''t mind it.

I agree with the OP, his actions do bring the sport into disrepute and I have been disgusted by a man who, like the majority, I had a lot of respect for.

[crabbycanary 2]

Agree with what has been said - Hodgson lost loads of respect in my eyes after our game, but even more so last Saturday. He acted totally clueless as to the line of question, like he was some sort of child, it was embarassing for someone who has been in football as long as he has.

He hadn''t thought it through. He should have realised what was coming, and prepared a better answer, along the lines of ''He''s not a dirty player and the timing was slightly out - these things sometimes happen in Football'' , but no. He might as well have stuck his fingers in his ears and started shouting Nur Nur Nur Nur Nur!

[Shack Attack 0]

You have to ask why you had so much respect for Roy Hodgson in the first place. There is this overall feeling that he is one of the nice guys and that 1950s London accent that you never hear anymore only adds to his image as ''cuddly Uncle Roy''. The job of a football manager is one of the most highly pressured you can get (I said highly pressured and not most dangerous before anybody gets their knickers in a twist) and he needs to keep his players on side to keep his job. Count the number of times a manager criticises one of his players or admits a referee was right in a big decision post match and you''ll still have plenty of fingers left on one hand. Why do you hold Roy Hodgson to account when pretty much every manager would do exactly the same?

[canarydan23 4,761]

You clearly didn''t see the Tamas elbow if you think "pretty much every manager would do exactly the same". You''d have to be a man of particularly low integrity not to adopt a critical line to that.

I think you could count the number of managers who would have defended Tamas for his assault the way Hodgson did and you''ll still have plenty of fingers left on one hand.

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,424]

[quote user="canarydan23"]You clearly didn''t see the Tamas elbow if you think "pretty much every manager would do exactly the same". You''d have to be a man of particularly low integrity not to adopt a critical line to that. I think you could count the number of managers who would have defended Tamas for his assault the way Hodgson did and you''ll still have plenty of fingers left on one hand.[/quote]

The elbow was bad, but not the worst I have seen by a long way. And not as bad as many of the two footed tackles you will see over the course of a season. I remember Tony Pulis defending Shawcross after he turned Ramsey''s leg to jelly - and just today Peter Grant has come out and defended Hutton''s attempt to snap Long''s leg in the Villa v WBA game. Luis Surarez bit a player last season and his manager defended him - saying it was a heat of the moment incident. Every mad Paul Scholes tackle was defended by Alex Ferguson. So as Shack said, ''pretty much every manager would do exactly the same''.

 

 

[Clint 221]

Managers will always defend their players, end of.  Would you want to work for a boss who calls you a mindless thug in front of millions of viewers?  Some, like Lambert, will adopt a more coy way of doing it than others but then again, he never really gives much to the press anyway.This defense also extends way beyond this standard defense in some circumstances.....AVB last night saying that their win was dedicated to the scumbag that is John Terry.  Whether he thinks he''s a racist or not (and what goes on behind closed doors is anyone''s guess), he''s not going to ''out'' his captain and will publicly stand by him.  I''m pretty sure Fergie recently defended his new Dutch goalie for stealing on the basis that ''he was new to this culture''?  Laughable but this siege mentality seems to have served him well over the years. 

[canarydan23 4,761]

I''m not entirely sure we watch the same sport.

I guess you are referring to the Ramsey tackle that which left Ryan Shawcross in tears? Yeah, really malicious that one. Mis-timed and clumsy and Ramsey was very unfortunate, but again, too place it in the same category as what can only be described as an assault?

And the Hutton tackle was bad and worthy of a red card, but the guy was going for, and played, the ball. As Hansen said on Match of the Day, in his day "that tackle earns you a new contract".

I genuinely cannot believe anyone would rate those two challenges as worse than a malicious, deliberate elbow that left a player needing plastic surgery. They are not even in the same categories.

I played Junior and Sunday football for about 11 years. Two-footed challenges were ten a penny. However, in a player struck out at someones face with an elbow, that was on a whole different level.

And AVB is one of the managers who would behave the same way Hodgson did after the aforementioned incidents and is another manager without integrity.

[Robert N. LiM 6,276]

The only manager I can think of who wouldn''t defend his players is our very own Glenn Roeder...

Sticking up for your players in public despite all the evidence has become part of the manager''s job. Some (fergie and wenger particularly spring to mind) do it to absurd lengths, but they all do it.

[Clint 221]

Is a lawyer defending an individual whom he knows is guilty, operating without integrity or is he just doing his job to the best of his abilities???

[Lambert is King 0]

Must say I was none to pleased when he defended Tamas however in his defence this time here is the interview

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15319417.stm

He states what Herd was sent off for stamping presumably as stated by the referee. He does not say in anyway he saw the player stamp the WBA player. He then goes on to say later in the interview that that he did not have sympathy about Villa going down to ten men in a soft way as they should have been down to ten men following Huttons tackle on Long. Although two wrongs dont make a right I think he was stating that Villa should have been down to ten men.    

[spencer 1970 214]

I just popped down to Deptford Market to get some lunch and I''m sure I just saw Uncle Woy manning a stall selling Kippers and ''addocks!

[canarydan23 4,761]

"Is a lawyer defending an individual whom he knows is guilty, operating without integrity or is he just doing his job to the best of his abilities???"

Criminal defence lawyers who defend individuals guilty of serious crime (murder and the like) are, in my valueless opinion, vile people who actively seek to prolong and exaggerate the incomparable grief of the victim/their loved ones purely so they can line their deep, deep pockets. Does that answer your question?

For the record, I don''t think Hodgson is anything as bad as that.