Jonncfc 28 Posted May 9, 2008 Absolutely sick of reading the totally unwarranted abuse directed at Glenn Roeder simply because he has had the courage to make some difficult management decisions. Reasonable and well-argued criticism is one thing but when people start resorting to calling him childish names like "Rodent" and "Ratty" then that, frankly, is ridiculous. Grow up and stop being so immature! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonncfc 28 Posted May 9, 2008 [quote user="1st Wizard"]Hi Glen!.[:D][/quote] Do you go out of your way to be an annoying idiot or does it just come naturally? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricky knight 0 Posted May 9, 2008 In your mind its unwarranted in others its warranted, what makes you right and them wrong, just wondered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky green trainers 0 Posted May 9, 2008 i felt that hucks was worth another year. but hindsight will tell if roedy was bold or crass over hucks. its time to trust in the bloke now, and hopefully he''ll pull some decent guys in. he seems to know his onions, and hopefully will have learned by jan window fiasco - so i''m behind roedy for now. for the sake of NCFC - we need to draw a line and move on - we need to attract some good uns here in what could be a watershed season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonncfc 28 Posted May 9, 2008 [quote user="ricky knight"]In your mind its unwarranted in others its warranted, what makes you right and them wrong, just wondered.[/quote]Reasonable criticism is fine by me. No problem with that at all. Every manager/leader has to expect to be criticised - after all, "you can''t please all of the people all of the time". However, being blatantly abusive to him simply because you don''t agree with one of his decisions (and lets be honest, this has all come about because of "that" decision) is, in my opinion, unwarranted. None of us know what his budget is going to be for next season but it is reasonable to assume it is going to be pathetically small. Because of that, given that he has to rebuild virtually the entire squad, it is right and proper that he looks closely at the current players, the wage bill attributed to them and their footballing value in the future. It would have been far easier for him to have taken the "popular" decision but all credit to him for being prepared to stick his head above the parapet. Leaders have to be prepared to make unpopular decisions and they certainly don''t deserve to be called "Rodent" or "Ratty" just because of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings 0 Posted May 9, 2008 [quote user="The Anonymous One"][quote user="ricky knight"]In your mind its unwarranted in others its warranted, what makes you right and them wrong, just wondered.[/quote]Reasonable criticism is fine by me. No problem with that at all. Every manager/leader has to expect to be criticised - after all, "you can''t please all of the people all of the time". However, being blatantly abusive to him simply because you don''t agree with one of his decisions (and lets be honest, this has all come about because of "that" decision) is, in my opinion, unwarranted. None of us know what his budget is going to be for next season but it is reasonable to assume it is going to be pathetically small. Because of that, given that he has to rebuild virtually the entire squad, it is right and proper that he looks closely at the current players, the wage bill attributed to them and their footballing value in the future. It would have been far easier for him to have taken the "popular" decision but all credit to him for being prepared to stick his head above the parapet. Leaders have to be prepared to make unpopular decisions and they certainly don''t deserve to be called "Rodent" or "Ratty" just because of that.[/quote]Totally 100% agree, TAO. The level of abuse was something I commented on a thread of my own. Roeder has, quite clearly, made a footballing decision (read MyFootballWriter.com, he explains that he has two targets lined up which are better and didn''t feel Huckerby would be happy as third choice). Setting aside the reasons for it, it''s natural that people will disagree. We''re all reasonable human beings (except Wiz, he''s just an ageing attention seeker who lives in his old world). But resorting to ridiculous name calling, threats of protests against Roeder, calling for Roeder''s head or calling him things like a "spineless coward" is simply pathetic, unwarranted and unjustified.If you can''t argue something controversial without resorting to name calling without the person present and able to defend themselves, then don''t do it at all. It''s pathetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 2,003 Posted May 9, 2008 I think if you''ve been reading the board you would be aware that much of the criticism is not about making ''difficult management decisions'' (though there is plenty of that as well) but about about the way in which the decision was made and implemented.I agree that does not warrant childish name calling but as someone who was delighted by Roeder''s appointment and has been 100% behind him up until this week, I have to say that I am genuinely surprised and hugely dissappointed at the complete stupidity he has displayed this week.He is often described as, and has appeared to be, an intelligent manager but to me this week has clearly demonstrated that whilst he may be technically very knowledgeable and well connected in the game, he is nowhere near as clever as I had imagined in other aspects of the manager''s job. As someone who only has half a squad at the moment, and who needs to attract players, manage and motivate them, inspire commitment and loyalty from them, his crass actions of this week appear inexplicable.The sad thing, because I would love to see him succeed for us, is that he has managed to engineer a situation where instead of having the whole club and fans behind him, he will start the new season with a large proportion of the fans simply waiting for the first stumble. It could come in the first game, might not happen till Christmas but I think whenever it comes he will start to come under pressure and I think it will be pretty savage.He doesnt seem to have much time for the fans and up to a point I sympathise with that as well - I''d be pretty hacked off if there were 20,000 people who thought they could do my job better than me. But I dont think he has a Worthy style rhino hide and once the fans turn I think he''ll be gone fairly quickly. So dont know when exactly it will happen but he has effectively shortened his own stay at Norwich, potentially by a long while and again, that''s sad, because we are only ever going to succeed with some stability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buncey 1 Posted May 9, 2008 Blah Blah Blah. Let''s open another thread... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricky knight 0 Posted May 9, 2008 [quote user="Wings"][quote user="The Anonymous One"] [quote user="ricky knight"]In your mind its unwarranted in others its warranted, what makes you right and them wrong, just wondered.[/quote]Reasonable criticism is fine by me. No problem with that at all. Every manager/leader has to expect to be criticised - after all, "you can''t please all of the people all of the time". However, being blatantly abusive to him simply because you don''t agree with one of his decisions (and lets be honest, this has all come about because of "that" decision) is, in my opinion, unwarranted. None of us know what his budget is going to be for next season but it is reasonable to assume it is going to be pathetically small. Because of that, given that he has to rebuild virtually the entire squad, it is right and proper that he looks closely at the current players, the wage bill attributed to them and their footballing value in the future. It would have been far easier for him to have taken the "popular" decision but all credit to him for being prepared to stick his head above the parapet. Leaders have to be prepared to make unpopular decisions and they certainly don''t deserve to be called "Rodent" or "Ratty" just because of that.[/quote]Totally 100% agree, TAO. The level of abuse was something I commented on a thread of my own. Roeder has, quite clearly, made a footballing decision (read MyFootballWriter.com, he explains that he has two targets lined up which are better and didn''t feel Huckerby would be happy as third choice). Setting aside the reasons for it, it''s natural that people will disagree. We''re all reasonable human beings (except Wiz, he''s just an ageing attention seeker who lives in his old world). But resorting to ridiculous name calling, threats of protests against Roeder, calling for Roeder''s head or calling him things like a "spineless coward" is simply pathetic, unwarranted and unjustified.If you can''t argue something controversial without resorting to name calling without the person present and able to defend themselves, then don''t do it at all. It''s pathetic.[/quote]cant wait to see his targets if they are both better than Hux, whats the betting we miss out on them, call me an old cynic but......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted May 9, 2008 [quote user="The Anonymous One"][quote user="1st Wizard"]Hi Glen!.[:D][/quote] Do you go out of your way to be an annoying idiot or does it just come naturally?[/quote]I think its natual.[:P] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,303 Posted May 9, 2008 [quote user="The Anonymous One"][quote user="1st Wizard"]Hi Glen!.[:D][/quote] Do you go out of your way to be an annoying idiot or does it just come naturally?[/quote]Hi Neil?....Hi Rogernater?....Hi Delia?.....Hi Mickey?....Hi Joe Ferrarrarrarr....arri? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted May 9, 2008 [quote user="The Anonymous One"]except Wiz, he''s just an ageing attention seeker who lives in his old world). But resorting to ridiculous name calling, threats of protests against Roeder, calling for Roeder''s head or calling him things like a "spineless coward" is simply pathetic, unwarranted and unjustified.[/quote]Oh, the delicious taste of irony.[:D][:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonncfc 28 Posted May 9, 2008 [quote user="1st Wizard"][quote user="The Anonymous One"]except Wiz, he''s just an ageing attention seeker who lives in his old world). But resorting to ridiculous name calling, threats of protests against Roeder, calling for Roeder''s head or calling him things like a "spineless coward" is simply pathetic, unwarranted and unjustified.[/quote]Oh, the delicious taste of irony.[:D][:D][/quote] Oh the delicious taste of the message board telling porkies! Look above - your thread may have attributed that quote to me but I didn''t type it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted May 9, 2008 [quote user="Wings"]except Wiz, he''s just an ageing attention seeker who lives in his old world). But resorting to ridiculous name calling, threats of protests against Roeder, calling for Roeder''s head or calling him things like a "spineless coward" is simply pathetic, unwarranted and unjustified.[/quote]Oh, the delicious taste of irony.[:D][:D]PS. apologies to ''the anonymous one'', I wrongly quoted you, sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonncfc 28 Posted May 9, 2008 [quote user="1st Wizard"][quote user="Wings"] except Wiz, he''s just an ageing attention seeker who lives in his old world). But resorting to ridiculous name calling, threats of protests against Roeder, calling for Roeder''s head or calling him things like a "spineless coward" is simply pathetic, unwarranted and unjustified.[/quote]Oh, the delicious taste of irony.[:D][:D]PS. apologies to ''the anonymous one'', I wrongly quoted you, sorry.[/quote]No probs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted May 9, 2008 [quote user="Fellas"]Blah Blah Blah. Let''s open another thread...[/quote]I don''t wanna ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BCanary 0 Posted May 9, 2008 [quote user="Creative Midfielder"]I think if you''ve been reading the board you would be aware that much of the criticism is not about making ''difficult management decisions'' (though there is plenty of that as well) but about about the way in which the decision was made and implemented.I agree that does not warrant childish name calling but as someone who was delighted by Roeder''s appointment and has been 100% behind him up until this week, I have to say that I am genuinely surprised and hugely dissappointed at the complete stupidity he has displayed this week.He is often described as, and has appeared to be, an intelligent manager but to me this week has clearly demonstrated that whilst he may be technically very knowledgeable and well connected in the game, he is nowhere near as clever as I had imagined in other aspects of the manager''s job. As someone who only has half a squad at the moment, and who needs to attract players, manage and motivate them, inspire commitment and loyalty from them, his crass actions of this week appear inexplicable.The sad thing, because I would love to see him succeed for us, is that he has managed to engineer a situation where instead of having the whole club and fans behind him, he will start the new season with a large proportion of the fans simply waiting for the first stumble. It could come in the first game, might not happen till Christmas but I think whenever it comes he will start to come under pressure and I think it will be pretty savage.He doesnt seem to have much time for the fans and up to a point I sympathise with that as well - I''d be pretty hacked off if there were 20,000 people who thought they could do my job better than me. But I dont think he has a Worthy style rhino hide and once the fans turn I think he''ll be gone fairly quickly. So dont know when exactly it will happen but he has effectively shortened his own stay at Norwich, potentially by a long while and again, that''s sad, because we are only ever going to succeed with some stability.[/quote]Fantastic post, and every point you make is absolutely spoton.You can see his intentions are good and honest, but his latest comments todayabout the Huckerby decision are another example of his naivety when it comes tounderstanding the fans. By saying that he "doesn''t understand what all the fuss is about" isa real revelation of ignorance. He really did have no idea just how much of ahero Huckerby was to the fans, and he never even considered what it would meanto them not giving Hucks a proper send off… And that''s worrying. He''s also made the job of Huckerby''s replacement(s) ten times harder than itshould be by describing them as being "better" than Huckerby. Again,I can understand why he''s said it, and he''s only being honest, but those player(s)are now going to have a hell of a job filling Darren''s boots. Can you imagine what the reaction from the crowd willbe like if our new left winger turns out to be another Andy Hughes or KieranGibbs? They’ll be crucified, and so will Glenn if he doesn’t respond withimmediate results – and all of this could have been avoided if someone at theClub had had the intelligence to step in and say “hang on, we need to make surewe handle this Huckerby contract thing properly and give him the send off heand the fans deserve.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites