10,133

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

10,133 was the attendance at Turf Moor last night.

Question: How do they manage on 10,133 - and without a cook too?

Answer: Quite well thank you.

OTBC

 

 

[ca 1]

600 of them were Norwich fans!

[charlies dad 0]

The question is, how can people accept that a club with 25,000 gates cannot compete with clubs of Burnleys stature, week in week out. The myth propogated by the board and regurgitated by its apologists, that such overwhelming support is in no way of any use or advantage to the club in a number of ways. Its David versus Goliath,  and outside of the bible, Goliath ought to win.

[Buncey 1]

600?! That''s really good. All those away fans should be proud of themselves!

[Cluck 0]

We''ve been hijacked...it''s as simple as that. Cast your mind back to the days before we were so cynically hoodwinked into believing NCFC was "saved" from extinction...and ask if the fans would have been so flaccid given similar circumstances.

The answer is of course a resounding no.....and this is purely because we''ve lost the plot and the grass root football fan has been replaced by a new breed of celebrity chasers. I would suggest that Burnley and other credible football clubs don''t have this problem....so 9.500 proper club supporters is rather preferable to 24000 happy clappers when it comes down to basics.

We''re more like a church now than a football club....and we all know how quickly the numbers are falling for them on Sundays.

[Unlucky Fried Kitten 0]

Well, NCFC must be taking at least  2 or 3 million pounds (13,000 fans at £10 per seat = £130,000; x 23 matches = 2,990,000) more in gate receipts per season than Burnley, so somewhere along the line Burnley are doing things right and the muppets on our board have got it completely wrong. I for one, would welcome sweeping changes at boardroom level. I''m sick and tired of the sob stories of financial woe from Doomcaster and his confederates. If you can''t manage the club competently, move aside and let somebody else have a go!

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more like 350 of us.

[3canaries 0]

I think 10,000 would be around the amount we''d get for a League One game next season......

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="NEIL CLUCKCASTER"]

We''ve been hijacked...it''s as simple as that. Cast your mind back to the days before we were so cynically hoodwinked into believing NCFC was "saved" from extinction...and ask if the fans would have been so flaccid given similar circumstances.

The answer is of course a resounding no.....and this is purely because we''ve lost the plot and the grass root football fan has been replaced by a new breed of celebrity chasers. I would suggest that Burnley and other credible football clubs don''t have this problem....so 9.500 proper club supporters is rather preferable to 24000 happy clappers when it comes down to basics.

We''re more like a church now than a football club....and we all know how quickly the numbers are falling for them on Sundays.

[/quote]Before I start cluck. I am not a Deliarite nor do I want my team to lose. I try hard to see views from both sides of the argument. However I must take issue with your latest offering. How you can state that 9,500 paying fans is more desirable than 24,000 is beyond me no matter what type of people you would like to classify them as.

And to make the comparrison with churches is just plain silly. We all know churches are losing customers by the day whereas NCFC have increased Their PAYING fanbase from 16,000 to 24,000 which has to be viewed as success however you care to dress it. Whether they have used this extra revenue wisely is an entirely different matter and they will be judged on that in years to come.

So, while I understand many of your views I''m afraid I just cannot agree with you on this one !

 

 

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

Try bucking the market too hard and too long and it will eventually turn around and bite you. Believe me Gazza, you will see police horses in Carrow Road again once the lumpen realise that they''ve been had, and decide to turn on the maximum leader. Yesterday it was tired dictators, today it''s faded celebrities misusing the spiritual home.

We''ve had our ''Fabian revolution'', wait for our ''Berlin wall''.

OTBC

 

 

[Cluck 0]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="NEIL CLUCKCASTER"]

We''ve been hijacked...it''s as simple as that. Cast your mind back to the days before we were so cynically hoodwinked into believing NCFC was "saved" from extinction...and ask if the fans would have been so flaccid given similar circumstances.

The answer is of course a resounding no.....and this is purely because we''ve lost the plot and the grass root football fan has been replaced by a new breed of celebrity chasers. I would suggest that Burnley and other credible football clubs don''t have this problem....so 9.500 proper club supporters is rather preferable to 24000 happy clappers when it comes down to basics.

We''re more like a church now than a football club....and we all know how quickly the numbers are falling for them on Sundays.

[/quote]Before I start cluck. I am not a Deliarite nor do I want my team to lose. I try hard to see views from both sides of the argument. However I must take issue with your latest offering. How you can state that 9,500 paying fans is more desirable than 24,000 is beyond me no matter what type of people you would like to classify them as.

And to make the comparrison with churches is just plain silly. We all know churches are losing customers by the day whereas NCFC have increased Their PAYING fanbase from 16,000 to 24,000 which has to be viewed as success however you care to dress it. Whether they have used this extra revenue wisely is an entirely different matter and they will be judged on that in years to come.

So, while I understand many of your views I''m afraid I just cannot agree with you on this one !

 

 

[/quote]

First point...I stated that 9500 proper vocal fans were preferable "when it comes down to basics". The only advantage to having an additional number of quiet onlookers is purely financial....as they add nothing to atmosphere and infact can actually subdue it. The financial element is not my concern as I paid to watch good football.....not the "fantasy football" club balance sheet.

Second point....the "church" reference is applied to the club ethos and the pious "worship" of a personality. No more is the wonderful City of Norwich and the County of Norfolk the symbol of the club....as a celebrity "icon" has cynically hijacked it. As for numbers in churches?...wait until the season ticket scam unravells itself and we''ll see what the true facts are. They''ve been selling promises at CR for so long now without delivering....and the bubble will burst soon enough. As an aside though...isn''t it odd how churches are full for tv''s "Songs of Praise" yet remain empty otherwise? Shades of the Chelsea humiliation in front of the tv cameras last season in my opinion.

As a football fan....I should not even have to consider the finances at NCFC....as others are paid well for that job. It seems however that far too many eyes these days are looking at the club''s financial statistics these days rather than who is kicking a ball on the pitch...the only bit that really interests me. This leads to endless excuses about this that and the other....when there can be no excuses whatsoever for the rubbish being dished up for the money received. It''s pure money for old rope as the club tills ching.......

Personally I''d still rather have a smaller but vociferous crowd around me than a shed full of woolies.....and I''d bet that, that would go for the players too. Big is not always best....unless you''re counting the money that is.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="NEIL CLUCKCASTER"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="NEIL CLUCKCASTER"]

We''ve been hijacked...it''s as simple as that. Cast your mind back to the days before we were so cynically hoodwinked into believing NCFC was "saved" from extinction...and ask if the fans would have been so flaccid given similar circumstances.

The answer is of course a resounding no.....and this is purely because we''ve lost the plot and the grass root football fan has been replaced by a new breed of celebrity chasers. I would suggest that Burnley and other credible football clubs don''t have this problem....so 9.500 proper club supporters is rather preferable to 24000 happy clappers when it comes down to basics.

We''re more like a church now than a football club....and we all know how quickly the numbers are falling for them on Sundays.

[/quote]Before I start cluck. I am not a Deliarite nor do I want my team to lose. I try hard to see views from both sides of the argument. However I must take issue with your latest offering. How you can state that 9,500 paying fans is more desirable than 24,000 is beyond me no matter what type of people you would like to classify them as.

And to make the comparrison with churches is just plain silly. We all know churches are losing customers by the day whereas NCFC have increased Their PAYING fanbase from 16,000 to 24,000 which has to be viewed as success however you care to dress it. Whether they have used this extra revenue wisely is an entirely different matter and they will be judged on that in years to come.

So, while I understand many of your views I''m afraid I just cannot agree with you on this one !

 

 

[/quote]

First point...I stated that 9500 proper vocal fans were preferable "when it comes down to basics". The only advantage to having an additional number of quiet onlookers is purely financial....as they add nothing to atmosphere and infact can actually subdue it. The financial element is not my concern as I paid to watch good football.....not the "fantasy football" club balance sheet.

Second point....the "church" reference is applied to the club ethos and the pious "worship" of a personality. No more is the wonderful City of Norwich and the County of Norfolk the symbol of the club....as a celebrity "icon" has cynically hijacked it. As for numbers in churches?...wait until the season ticket scam unravells itself and we''ll see what the true facts are. They''ve been selling promises at CR for so long now without delivering....and the bubble will burst soon enough. As an aside though...isn''t it odd how churches are full for tv''s "Songs of Praise" yet remain empty otherwise? Shades of the Chelsea humiliation in front of the tv cameras last season in my opinion.

As a football fan....I should not even have to consider the finances at NCFC....as others are paid well for that job. It seems however that far too many eyes these days are looking at the club''s financial statistics these days rather than who is kicking a ball on the pitch...the only bit that really interests me. This leads to endless excuses about this that and the other....when there can be no excuses whatsoever for the rubbish being dished up for the money received. It''s pure money for old rope as the club tills ching.......

Personally I''d still rather have a smaller but vociferous crowd around me than a shed full of woolies.....and I''d bet that, that would go for the players too. Big is not always best....unless you''re counting the money that is.

[/quote]I can''t disagree with much of that but, talking as a businessman (and quite successfull by all accounts) and not as a fan, would you not use every tool at your disposal (even if it included celebrity) to make that business successful ?  I feel sure you would. From your point of view as a fan then I''m totally with you.

[Cluck 0]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="NEIL CLUCKCASTER"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="NEIL CLUCKCASTER"]

We''ve been hijacked...it''s as simple as that. Cast your mind back to the days before we were so cynically hoodwinked into believing NCFC was "saved" from extinction...and ask if the fans would have been so flaccid given similar circumstances.

The answer is of course a resounding no.....and this is purely because we''ve lost the plot and the grass root football fan has been replaced by a new breed of celebrity chasers. I would suggest that Burnley and other credible football clubs don''t have this problem....so 9.500 proper club supporters is rather preferable to 24000 happy clappers when it comes down to basics.

We''re more like a church now than a football club....and we all know how quickly the numbers are falling for them on Sundays.

[/quote]Before I start cluck. I am not a Deliarite nor do I want my team to lose. I try hard to see views from both sides of the argument. However I must take issue with your latest offering. How you can state that 9,500 paying fans is more desirable than 24,000 is beyond me no matter what type of people you would like to classify them as.

And to make the comparrison with churches is just plain silly. We all know churches are losing customers by the day whereas NCFC have increased Their PAYING fanbase from 16,000 to 24,000 which has to be viewed as success however you care to dress it. Whether they have used this extra revenue wisely is an entirely different matter and they will be judged on that in years to come.

So, while I understand many of your views I''m afraid I just cannot agree with you on this one !

 

 

[/quote]

First point...I stated that 9500 proper vocal fans were preferable "when it comes down to basics". The only advantage to having an additional number of quiet onlookers is purely financial....as they add nothing to atmosphere and infact can actually subdue it. The financial element is not my concern as I paid to watch good football.....not the "fantasy football" club balance sheet.

Second point....the "church" reference is applied to the club ethos and the pious "worship" of a personality. No more is the wonderful City of Norwich and the County of Norfolk the symbol of the club....as a celebrity "icon" has cynically hijacked it. As for numbers in churches?...wait until the season ticket scam unravells itself and we''ll see what the true facts are. They''ve been selling promises at CR for so long now without delivering....and the bubble will burst soon enough. As an aside though...isn''t it odd how churches are full for tv''s "Songs of Praise" yet remain empty otherwise? Shades of the Chelsea humiliation in front of the tv cameras last season in my opinion.

As a football fan....I should not even have to consider the finances at NCFC....as others are paid well for that job. It seems however that far too many eyes these days are looking at the club''s financial statistics these days rather than who is kicking a ball on the pitch...the only bit that really interests me. This leads to endless excuses about this that and the other....when there can be no excuses whatsoever for the rubbish being dished up for the money received. It''s pure money for old rope as the club tills ching.......

Personally I''d still rather have a smaller but vociferous crowd around me than a shed full of woolies.....and I''d bet that, that would go for the players too. Big is not always best....unless you''re counting the money that is.

[/quote]I can''t disagree with much of that but, talking as a businessman (and quite successfull by all accounts) and not as a fan, would you not use every tool at your disposal (even if it included celebrity) to make that business successful ?  I feel sure you would. From your point of view as a fan then I''m totally with you.

[/quote]

I''ll leave the back door open then....bring a bottle.  [;)]

[ZLF 335]

because performances on the picth do not depend on the budget - but how it is used and hwo the team are coached.  Cash helps - but more low budget teams well coached will get promoted than poorly coached expensive squads.