Hog 0 Posted June 29, 2007 We buy, we pay his wages, give him a healthy signing on fee, pay him bonuses, and then he gets injured , we don''t go up and then we sell him for 3.5 (I know we had no choice with that one but its the Boards fault for stupid contract negotiations) so overall we have lost a player, lost money on him, and could have otherwise sold him for 5,6,7 million, he is at least as good as Kamara at WBA. We haven''t even got our money back on him. If this was any other business the Board would have a hell of a lot of explaining to do!!! Why oh why do they seem to think they are above such criticism. Oh and I nearly forgot, Cureton, its great to have him back, AS A SQUAD PLAYER! there in no way he can replace Earnie, he has had one good season with another club, with different players etc etc. I am sure he is a good signing but we need, no demand MORE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted June 29, 2007 Great post Mate! we have lost a fortune on EArnie.. his wages, signing on fee, the cost of bringing him back from injury.. whats the betting his transfer fee will go into offsetting this loss?Grant wont see any of the 3.5 million.. its all going into cover the "operating costs" we have lost through Earnie. its pretty clear either Earnie or his agent have Blabbed to Derby saying "it will only cost u 3.5 million"Should we have agreed to the clause? no... but then if Worthy hadnt panic buyed 2 years ago we wouldnt of needed too. the way i see it Rob Earnshaw has used us as a shop window... nothing else... a way of saying "here i am.. i have done this in a sh*t side.. now come and get me" he was a mercenary from Day 1 with little or no intent of staying with us...the board are to blame for being so gullible and Naive all over again.. like when they offered Ashton the contract extension.. that was Naivity in a nutshell.. the board seriously thought he''d see it out! Shocking and Rediculous! im fuming!jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginja 43 Posted June 29, 2007 [quote user="jas the barclay king"]Great post Mate! we have lost a fortune on EArnie.. his wages, signing on fee, the cost of bringing him back from injury.. whats the betting his transfer fee will go into offsetting this loss?Grant wont see any of the 3.5 million.. its all going into cover the "operating costs" we have lost through Earnie. its pretty clear either Earnie or his agent have Blabbed to Derby saying "it will only cost u 3.5 million"Should we have agreed to the clause? no... but then if Worthy hadnt panic buyed 2 years ago we wouldnt of needed too. the way i see it Rob Earnshaw has used us as a shop window... nothing else... a way of saying "here i am.. i have done this in a sh*t side.. now come and get me" he was a mercenary from Day 1 with little or no intent of staying with us...the board are to blame for being so gullible and Naive all over again.. like when they offered Ashton the contract extension.. that was Naivity in a nutshell.. the board seriously thought he''d see it out! Shocking and Rediculous! im fuming!jas :)[/quote]So after admitting it was Earnie that screwed us over and Worthy paniced bought him, your focusing your anger at the board who would have simply OKed the buy not the contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Infamy, Infamy 1 Posted June 29, 2007 Salah and JasAs you both seem to have inside info on Earnies transfer fee, wages etc. I think it''s only fair you share the details with us.Or are you, maybe, just making it up as you go along?[*-)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grando 336 Posted June 29, 2007 And good a goalscorer as he was he ended up making no difference to out mediocre team. It''s not even like we can say he kept us up - we just managed to claw our way up without him last season when he was injured. All in all he was a waste of space, we might as well have saved all the money spent on wages, Hummer servicing and Dunston Hall bills...Still, at least we''re getting new scoreboards next season and we have a nice hotel now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 0 Posted June 30, 2007 [quote user="Salahuddin"]We buy, we pay his wages, give him a healthy signing on fee, pay him bonuses, and then he gets injured , we don''t go up and then we sell him for 3.5 (I know we had no choice with that one but its the Boards fault for stupid contract negotiations) so overall we have lost a player, lost money on him, and could have otherwise sold him for 5,6,7 million, he is at least as good as Kamara at WBA. We haven''t even got our money back on him. If this was any other business the Board would have a hell of a lot of explaining to do!!! Why oh why do they seem to think they are above such criticism. Oh and I nearly forgot, Cureton, its great to have him back, AS A SQUAD PLAYER! there in no way he can replace Earnie, he has had one good season with another club, with different players etc etc. I am sure he is a good signing but we need, no demand MORE![/quote]I cannot see the logic in this. If you deduct the "running costs" of a player, most will show a loss. Incidentally, what were they? Wages? Signing on fee? Bonuses? And he wasn''t "lost", he didn''t walk away on a free. He could not have been sold for 5,6,7 million because he wouldn''t have been here in the first place; these things are done by negotiation, are you saying we could have forced him here? How? Forced him to renegotiate his contract? How?It was as close as a no lose gamble as you''re ever going to get in football. Now Grant''s got the dosh, let''s see what happens next. And before you tell me, may I remind you that you don''t know any more than I do Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hog 0 Posted June 30, 2007 Do you really think for one minute that Earnie was not on top wages, if Thorne was getting just under 10k a week, I can only wince at what Earnie must have been on.! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huck tastic<IMG src="http:new.pinkun.comforumsimagesline.gif"><BR><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Bryan Hamilton could turn this around...<BR><FONT> 0 Posted June 30, 2007 Maybe Salah and Jas are making it up a bit, but they''re probably not actually a million miles from the truth either...Certainly, under the terms that have just emerged, and given where we were at the time of the deal (ie going nowhere that season) the Earnshaw signing looks an appalling piece of business/negotiation......Resignations? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zippy23255 0 Posted June 30, 2007 If I remember right Earnie was a last minute transfer deadline signing rushed through as a panic buy. Think Worthy would have agreed to anything to make a signing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,220 Posted June 30, 2007 I do not care what any one says, the purchase and sale of Earnie was an atrocious piece of business by Norwich City Football Club, whoever agreed to such a pitiful "get out" clause should be given a damn god dressing down. I accept that you have to negotiate these sorts of clauses but common sense would dictate that any such clause should take account of the "on costs" incurred in the event that it was triggered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted June 30, 2007 Salah and JasAs you both seem to have inside info on Earnies transfer fee, wages etc. I think it''s only fair you share the details with us.Or are you, maybe, just making it up as you go alongHardly... its a bit of logic.. something im sure we can all work out..Earnie will be a big earner, so we pay out his wages.. im not privy to what they are, for the sake of debate lets say 15k a week, thats 780,000 a year. Earnie was with us for a little over 12 months, nearer to 15. so lets round that figure up to just over 800,000. Take that off the transfer budget... leaves us with 2.7 millionbringing him back from Injury, the surgery (private trhough Bupa not an NHS jobbie), seeing specialists scans etc. the cost will add up. The cost of private medical treatment is available to see on the internet. Im willing to bet Earnie wanted a signing on Fee for signing for us in the first place, take this off the transfer fee, plus any fee to his agent... im willing to bet we are left with not far short of 1 million pounds from the transfer, the Financial accounts for next year will tell the tail.Ron Obvious, we could of offerd a higher clause in the contract (say 5 million pounds) thus gaurenteeing money from the transfer, to do this perhaps we could of offered Earnie sweetners (goal bonuses) when he gets injured we are in effect laughing. He isnt scoring to goals so he isnt getting the bonus. sell him for the higher clause and take it all the way to bank.... Good Negotiating?your focusing your anger at the board who would have simply OKed the buy not the contract.you and i both know it doesnt work like that UEA canary. Worthy Dithered in the transfer market... had he of acted weekes earlier he wouldnt of had to panic to get earnie in on the last day of the window... You and i both know that the manager agrees the target he wants and the board "talk Turkey" with regards to fee and Contract. Worthy simply stated he wanted Robert Earnshaw and the board did the rest. They would of negotiated the 3.5 million with the boggies than sat down with earnie and his agent and negotiated his wage, his bonuses if any.. and his clause. Worthington would of been sitting in on the deal giving earnie the hard sell of "we want to go up blah blah" which is what he was supposed to say wasnt it? jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
