Jules 0 Posted October 18, 2006 Hi, I''ve never posted here before though I''ve usually popped in at least once a day for the past couple of years just to read the posts. Just so you know I''m an exiled fan living in Leicester who has to work on Saturdays, so I only ever get to see the Canaries away and usually at only Midlands clubs. Been supporting the Canaries for decades - one of my earliest memories is of being introduced by my dad to John Bond and Kevin Keelan! So I thought I might break my duck with the new PG era and all! Any way, here''s the verdict of Singing the Blues on last night''s game! Just goes to show that a week is a long time in football!! "If you could pick a 90 minuteperiod to summarise the past couple of years under Steve Bruce, thenthis was a fine example. Eleven Birmingham City players were picked ineleven different positions. That was it. There was no system, patternto their play, indication of having worked on anything in training,etc, etc. Blues did not have one spell, even for five minutes, in whichthey bossed the game. Not once from a throw-in, corner, free-kick,goal-kick, anything at all, could you see what we were trying to do.There was no shape, no cohesion, nothing. There was nothing from Blues.Absolutely nothing. This was by far their poorest performance of theseason - by a distance in fact. Blues were like an empty shell of ateam. Norwich, on the other hand, were ateam with probably less talent on paper (though in fairness, they dostill have some fair players) who were organised and knew the job theywere doing. They had a plan. They played to that plan. They got threepoints. Job done for them. They played with a noticeable formation (the4-5-1/4-3-3 one employed by a fair few teams) and with players knowingtheir jobs - Darren Huckerby and Lee Croft both performed the widemidfield/supporting strikers roles admirably, Dickson Etuhu got forwardfrom midfield superbly, Robert Earnshaw did a fine job (finishingaside) as a lone-ish striker (though Huckerby, Croft and Etuhu allsupported him very well), and Youssef Safri anchored the midfield withauthority. YOU COULD SEE WHAT THEY WERE SET UP TO DO! It really wasthat simple! They did it well, and there you go. As I say, job done.Had Earnshaw finished as he has done for most of this season, and hadMaik Taylor not handled pretty well, this could comfortably been 4-0 or5-0 to the visitors, and you couldn''t really begrudge them that, asthey came with a plan, stuck to it, did their jobs and got the result.You can only say ''fair play'' to that."CheersJules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbncfc 1 Posted October 18, 2006 Thanks Jules, good post and I at least appreciate the insight... [B] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a1canary 0 Posted October 18, 2006 Well that is nice to read! And interesting.Because exactly the same that is said about Blues could have been saidabout us in previous games/seasons. 11 individuals on a pitch all doingtheir own thing. Sound familiar? I think it has everything to do withconfidence and that fear factor. The fact is, they have some real goodplayers but that doesn''t matter when there''s no confidence becauseplayers shrink in to themselves and start playing for themselves andnot each other. It''s no coincidence that the one thing and probablyonly thing that PG could do after just arriving is to try and get theplayers to let go of that fear and to come out of themselves and playfor each other. It is that fear that has gripped us since we wererelegated and has a hold of Birmingham right now. Worthy couldn''t liftit, and Steve Bruce can''t seem to right now and his credentials aresupposedly far greater than NWs. In the end, change for the sake ofchange is often the only thing that will rid players of that fear. Ithink it''s very promising that PG seems to appreciate all this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marty 0 Posted October 18, 2006 cheers for that, I must say it sounds good for us, I can''t say i feel sorry for b''ham mind. It is really nice to hear that we had a system and played to it, very promissing, shame we can''t play b''ham every week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky green trainers 0 Posted October 18, 2006 [quote user="a1canary"]Well that is nice to read! And interesting.Because exactly the same that is said about Blues could have been saidabout us in previous games/seasons. 11 individuals on a pitch all doingtheir own thing. Sound familiar? I think it has everything to do withconfidence and that fear factor. The fact is, they have some real goodplayers but that doesn''t matter when there''s no confidence becauseplayers shrink in to themselves and start playing for themselves andnot each other. It''s no coincidence that the one thing and probablyonly thing that PG could do after just arriving is to try and get theplayers to let go of that fear and to come out of themselves and playfor each other. It is that fear that has gripped us since we wererelegated and has a hold of Birmingham right now. Worthy couldn''t liftit, and Steve Bruce can''t seem to right now and his credentials aresupposedly far greater than NWs. In the end, change for the sake ofchange is often the only thing that will rid players of that fear. Ithink it''s very promising that PG seems to appreciate all this. [/quote]as a worthy apologist until the end A1, its nice to see you appreciate that change is sometimes the only answer, and that probably brum will need to do a wba in order to turn the situation around at st. andrews - you seem to be advocating/accepting that bruce goes.worthy could quite easily bounce back with a new club and succeed, just as jones at cardiff and mcCarthy at wolves seem to be doing, despite being sacked in similar circumstances to worthy at wolves and sunderland respectively. i still believe worthy should have gone last autumn, but NCFC have had to endure a painful year since then. if PG turns out to be an inspirational choice, then maybe it''ll have been worth it. if PG comes up short though, then surely the board''s judgment will come under serious scrutiny, which could ultimately see changes at that level also. i''m of the opinion that new blood/money should be invited onto the city board while we are in a relatively strong position to ensure we can keep our flair players - if hucks/earnie should go in jan/end of season, then obviously we''d be the poorer for it, and probably in decline.presently, i''m hopeful PG will get us into the top 6, if he manages top 2 then the last 18 months will all be forgotten/forgiven. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DONT REMEMBER YOUR TENURE AS ENGLAND MANAGER 0 Posted October 18, 2006 [quote user="Jules"] Hi, I''ve never posted here before though I''ve usually popped in at least once a day for the past couple of years just to read the posts. Just so you know I''m an exiled fan living in Leicester who has to work on Saturdays, so I only ever get to see the Canaries away and usually at only Midlands clubs. Been supporting the Canaries for decades - one of my earliest memories is of being introduced by my dad to John Bond and Kevin Keelan! So I thought I might break my duck with the new PG era and all! Any way, here''s the verdict of Singing the Blues on last night''s game! Just goes to show that a week is a long time in football!! "If you could pick a 90 minute period to summarise the past couple of years under Steve Bruce, then this was a fine example. Eleven Birmingham City players were picked in eleven different positions. That was it. There was no system, pattern to their play, indication of having worked on anything in training, etc, etc. Blues did not have one spell, even for five minutes, in which they bossed the game. Not once from a throw-in, corner, free-kick, goal-kick, anything at all, could you see what we were trying to do. There was no shape, no cohesion, nothing. There was nothing from Blues. Absolutely nothing. This was by far their poorest performance of the season - by a distance in fact. Blues were like an empty shell of a team. Norwich, on the other hand, were a team with probably less talent on paper (though in fairness, they do still have some fair players) who were organised and knew the job they were doing. They had a plan. They played to that plan. They got three points. Job done for them. They played with a noticeable formation (the 4-5-1/4-3-3 one employed by a fair few teams) and with players knowing their jobs - Darren Huckerby and Lee Croft both performed the wide midfield/supporting strikers roles admirably, Dickson Etuhu got forward from midfield superbly, Robert Earnshaw did a fine job (finishing aside) as a lone-ish striker (though Huckerby, Croft and Etuhu all supported him very well), and Youssef Safri anchored the midfield with authority. YOU COULD SEE WHAT THEY WERE SET UP TO DO! It really was that simple! They did it well, and there you go. As I say, job done. Had Earnshaw finished as he has done for most of this season, and had Maik Taylor not handled pretty well, this could comfortably been 4-0 or 5-0 to the visitors, and you couldn''t really begrudge them that, as they came with a plan, stuck to it, did their jobs and got the result. You can only say ''fair play'' to that."CheersJules.[/quote]Hey Jules, hope you enjoyed the game last night, thanks for the post, really interesting to read and compare to our own recent woes. Cheers buddy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jules 0 Posted October 18, 2006 No probs. It''s nice to be contributing to the forum at last and it''s so nice to be celebrating an away win at last!!!! With our away record it''s been pretty miserable only being able to go to away games! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow fever 0 Posted October 19, 2006 [quote user="lucky green trainers"]if PG comes up short though, then surely the board''s judgment will come under serious scrutiny, which could ultimately see changes at that level also. [/quote]you say -it not me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GPB 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Thanks Jules. Very interesting. I think several times in the last few month we could have written the "couldn''t see what we were trying to do" story. Cant see Bruce lasting much longer.....All the best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a1canary 0 Posted October 19, 2006 [quote user="lucky green trainers"][quote user="a1canary"]Well that is nice to read! And interesting.Because exactly the same that is said about Blues could have been saidabout us in previous games/seasons. 11 individuals on a pitch all doingtheir own thing. Sound familiar? I think it has everything to do withconfidence and that fear factor. The fact is, they have some real goodplayers but that doesn''t matter when there''s no confidence becauseplayers shrink in to themselves and start playing for themselves andnot each other. It''s no coincidence that the one thing and probablyonly thing that PG could do after just arriving is to try and get theplayers to let go of that fear and to come out of themselves and playfor each other. It is that fear that has gripped us since we wererelegated and has a hold of Birmingham right now. Worthy couldn''t liftit, and Steve Bruce can''t seem to right now and his credentials aresupposedly far greater than NWs. In the end, change for the sake ofchange is often the only thing that will rid players of that fear. Ithink it''s very promising that PG seems to appreciate all this. [/quote]as a worthy apologist until the end A1, its nice tosee you appreciate that change is sometimes the only answer, and thatprobably brum will need to do a wba in order to turn the situationaround at st. andrews - you seem to be advocating/accepting that brucegoes.worthy could quite easily bounce back with a new club andsucceed, just as jones at cardiff and mcCarthy at wolves seem to bedoing, despite being sacked in similar circumstances to worthy atwolves and sunderland respectively. i still believe worthyshould have gone last autumn, but NCFC have had to endure a painfulyear since then. if PG turns out to be an inspirational choice, thenmaybe it''ll have been worth it. if PG comes up short though, thensurely the board''s judgment will come under serious scrutiny, whichcould ultimately see changes at that level also. i''m of theopinion that new blood/money should be invited onto the city boardwhile we are in a relatively strong position to ensure we can keep ourflair players - if hucks/earnie should go in jan/end of season, thenobviously we''d be the poorer for it, and probably in decline.presently,i''m hopeful PG will get us into the top 6, if he manages top 2 then thelast 18 months will all be forgotten/forgiven.[/quote]Worthy apologist til the end? Harsh! I think NW was unfairly treatedand it''s in my nature to defend people in such a position. If that''sbeing an apologist, so be it. But I had appreciated that change, evenfor the sake of change, was the only answer some time ago. I didn''tlike all the stick he was getting for being ''irish'' or for being''tactically inept'' etc. The guy''s a professional football manager withall the relevant badges - he has more tactical awareness than any fan.And the fact is, that was his formation and his team out there againstBirningham. What Grant and his arrival (or NWs departure moreaccurately) did, was free the players minds! They were stuck in a rutand i appreciate NW had to go to get them out of it. Being able to get players to play and to want to play for them is whatmakes great managers as much as tactical nous. It''s an ability that fewhave (Redknapp and O''Neill spring to mind) and it was that that NWlacked more of in the end, not the tactical awareness. People say heplayed players out of position but he never willingly did that - it wasonly unavoidable circumstances that dictated it. Others will moan abouthis signings but if Grant has some of that ability that Harry and MoNhas, no-one will be moaning about Colin, Etuhu, Robinson, Hughes- two of those have already turned round popular perception ofthem among fans, there''s no reason why the others can''t do the samewith the right management. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0 Posted October 19, 2006 NW stayed too long..... SB has probably done the same at Birmingham, he probably should have been sacked christmas time last season in the premiership. When he took over Birmingham were 9th, they are 9th again now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites