nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159 Posted October 13, 2023 EU vice president Margaritis Schinas, three days after Recip T. Erdogan offered to host peace talks between Israel and Hamas, he put Turkiey on the spot, asking it to stand either with NATO and the 'ethos of the west' or site with Russia and Hamas. https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1222340/schinas-turkey-to-choose-whether-to-side-with-the-eu-and-nato-or-russia-iran-hamas-hezbollah/ When was an offer to hold peace talks ever be answered with a blackmail answer. Is this the EU we want to go back to? were unelected von der Leyen runs the right wing roost of war mongers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,615 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said: EU vice president Margaritis Schinas, three days after Recip T. Erdogan offered to host peace talks between Israel and Hamas, he put Turkiey on the spot, asking it to stand either with NATO and the 'ethos of the west' or site with Russia and Hamas. https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1222340/schinas-turkey-to-choose-whether-to-side-with-the-eu-and-nato-or-russia-iran-hamas-hezbollah/ When was an offer to hold peace talks ever be answered with a blackmail answer. Is this the EU we want to go back to? were unelected von der Leyen runs the right wing roost of war mongers. The EU isn't in the war. Only Israel and Palestine are. Anyone can offer to hold peace talks, but it's a waste of breath unless both sides are prepared to entertain the idea. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Edited October 13, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naturalcynic 685 Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said: EU vice president Margaritis Schinas, three days after Recip T. Erdogan offered to host peace talks between Israel and Hamas, he put Turkiey on the spot, asking it to stand either with NATO and the 'ethos of the west' or site with Russia and Hamas. https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1222340/schinas-turkey-to-choose-whether-to-side-with-the-eu-and-nato-or-russia-iran-hamas-hezbollah/ When was an offer to hold peace talks ever be answered with a blackmail answer. Is this the EU we want to go back to? were unelected von der Leyen runs the right wing roost of war mongers. The sole raison d’être of Hamas is to annihilate Israel. Peace talks would achieve nothing of any lasting value. Even if a ceasefire was agreed, it would only be a short time before Hamas restarted their hostilities with the inevitable and justifiable backlash from Israel. Make no mistake, Israel is in a war of survival against terrorists backed by Iran, and it really doesn’t help when useful idiots on the left seem to side with the hate-filled Islamofascists who hate us just as much as they do the Israelis. For its long-term survival, Israel rightly now considers that the complete removal of Hamas is the only sensible option, however unpalatable that might be. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NFN FC 1,123 Posted October 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Naturalcynic said: The sole raison d’être of Hamas is to annihilate Israel. Peace talks would achieve nothing of any lasting value. Even if a ceasefire was agreed, it would only be a short time before Hamas restarted their hostilities with the inevitable and justifiable backlash from Israel. Make no mistake, Israel is in a war of survival against terrorists backed by Iran, and it really doesn’t help when useful idiots on the left seem to side with the hate-filled Islamofascists who hate us just as much as they do the Israelis. For its long-term survival, Israel rightly now considers that the complete removal of Hamas is the only sensible option, however unpalatable that might be. For every one they kill, 5 more will pick up weapons. They are just adding fuel to the fire. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159 Posted October 28, 2023 On 13/10/2023 at 14:38, Naturalcynic said: The sole raison d’être of Hamas is to annihilate Israel. Peace talks would achieve nothing of any lasting value. Even if a ceasefire was agreed, it would only be a short time before Hamas restarted their hostilities with the inevitable and justifiable backlash from Israel. Make no mistake, Israel is in a war of survival against terrorists backed by Iran, and it really doesn’t help when useful idiots on the left seem to side with the hate-filled Islamofascists who hate us just as much as they do the Israelis. For its long-term survival, Israel rightly now considers that the complete removal of Hamas is the only sensible option, however unpalatable that might be. again you are promoting something Hamas never said, a lie invented by the rogue state to make you accept their actions. Hamas was created by Israel in the 1970's to divide the palestinins and the PLO, and it never had any crux with Iran. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,332 Posted October 29, 2023 On 13/10/2023 at 19:05, NFN FC said: For every one they kill, 5 more will pick up weapons. They are just adding fuel to the fire. So just do nothing? When do you say enough is enough? How many killings is one too many that you react? How many rapes before you say enough is enough? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 6,107 Posted October 29, 2023 By the same token, how many Palestinians have to lose their livelihoods and land due to illegal invaders, abetted by the Israeli regime, before Palestinians say "enough is enough"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,332 Posted October 30, 2023 5 hours ago, TheGunnShow said: By the same token, how many Palestinians have to lose their livelihoods and land due to illegal invaders, abetted by the Israeli regime, before Palestinians say "enough is enough"? It is a war. Hamas made it a war. And the war will continue until the last terrorist is dead or captured. BTW, how do you feel about the people of Caen who died after being bombed by the Allies in WW2? Or the slave labourers working on the V2 and other projects who also were bombed by the Allies? War stinks and bad things happen. But if victory against evil means long-term peace then those deaths are a price we have to pay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iwans Big Toe 322 Posted October 30, 2023 The short answer is yes the world has gone mad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,615 Posted October 30, 2023 11 hours ago, TheGunnShow said: By the same token, how many Palestinians have to lose their livelihoods and land due to illegal invaders, abetted by the Israeli regime, before Palestinians say "enough is enough"? More to the point, when they do say 'enough is enough', do they actually finally start pursuing a peaceful solution proposing reasonable terms that don't include the annihilation of Israel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yellowrider120 801 Posted October 30, 2023 Truly awful scenes here. What the hell is it with seemingly a lot of human beings that they support such hatred. Clearly such idiots have turned a blind eye to history. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67258332 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
