The 'Boat' People & Immigration

[Herman 9,838]

6 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

We don't need people of other nationalities telling this nation how we will govern ourselves. Most of us are grown up enough to take on the responsibility of self-government. It's called exercising one's sovereignty. If other countries feel the need to have some supra-national organisation meddling in their internal affaires then bully for them, but it is not for us to have Johnny Foreigner what we have to do.

We can't keep pandering to these scorched earth, childish, racists and xenophobes. Nothing is good enough for them and anything that they don't like will get broken. They like nothing, know nothing and are full of hate. They are dragging this country to a really bad place.

[horsefly 4,318]

10 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

We don't need people of other nationalities telling this nation how we will govern ourselves. Most of us are grown up enough to take on the responsibility of self-government. It's called exercising one's sovereignty. If other countries feel the need to have some supra-national organisation meddling in their internal affaires then bully for them, but it is not for us to have Johnny Foreigner what we have to do.

What a shame you weren't around when the Naz*is were finally defeated. You could have set Winston Churchill straight. He argued the very opposite of what you have just claimed, and was indeed the prime mover in setting up the ECHR. But I'm sure Putin would be very pleased by what you have just said.

Edited June 20, 2022 by horsefly

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

2 hours ago, horsefly said:

What a shame you weren't around when the Naz*is were finally defeated. You could have set Winston Churchill straight. He argued the very opposite of what you have just claimed, and was indeed the prime mover in setting up the ECHR. But I'm sure Putin would be very pleased by what you have just said.

Winston's mother was an American. So the Bulldog spirit may emanate from a different source than the WASP culture that RTB yearns for.

[Badger 2,413]

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

A long time ago, the Pope told the King that he could not divorce. Henry VIII did what most of us would think was right and got rid of foreign interference in our internal affairs and set up a Church of England. Today, we are just as capable as managing our own affairs, though if you plan to vote for Labour or LibDems, or even worse, the Greens you might want some adult oversight. 

And BTW, to get back to the original subject matter, one of the main reasons the Johnson is currently in so much trouble is that he still has made no difference to the levels of illegal immigration since his tenure as PM. The country wants to see an end to this illegality as a priority 

[Herman 9,838]

The CONservatives have never solved immigration, just spouted a lot of hot air, ramped up the racism, yet do nothing. Because they know the country can't function without it but just use it to gain votes from the hard of thinking.

The fact they and their chums ramp up the rhetoric around election times speaks volumes too.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

20 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

A long time ago, the Pope told the King that he could not divorce. Henry VIII did what most of us would think was right and got rid of foreign interference in our internal affairs and set up a Church of England. Today, we are just as capable as managing our own affairs, though if you plan to vote for Labour or LibDems, or even worse, the Greens you might want some adult oversight. 

And BTW, to get back to the original subject matter, one of the main reasons the Johnson is currently in so much trouble is that he still has made no difference to the levels of illegal immigration since his tenure as PM. The country wants to see an end to this illegality as a priority 

Your mentality sees it as a major problem. So the vote to alter the NI protocol this week, called illegal by the Government's QC, is just a bit of JRM's fluff.

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,198]

6 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

 

And BTW, to get back to the original subject matter, one of the main reasons the Johnson is currently in so much trouble is that he still has made no difference to the levels of illegal immigration since his tenure as PM. The country wants to see an end to this illegality as a priority 

I disagree 

Johnson has made a huge difference to levels of illegal immigration 

It has got way higher 

 

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

Another excellent exposure of the racism and stupidity of Patel and Truss, who dared to interfere in the FCO's report on Rwanda by suppressing their human rights concerns. Truss is a dangerous woman.

Amazing how we did not here much of this speech by Lord Kerr last November, but it says a lot about liars in Government and their real agenda. Did the Sun and Daily Mail not cover it?

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/08/ever-further-right/

 

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

we are being lied to on all counts, there is no immigration policy and refugees are being badmouthed for daring to flee from the ravages of war, violence and or environmental degradation. Did Archant made a point to the beloved Conservative MP's about their lying useless home secretary and Mary E.Truss deceptions.

Lord Kerr's speech from last November.

"It really is not a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Desai, because he raises the bar far too high. I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Hoey, for this appallingly well-timed debate, to which I would just like to contribute three sets of facts. First, overall refugee numbers are currently running at about half of where they were 20 years ago. We are not the preferred destination in Europe. We are, as the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, said, well down the list of preferred destinations.

Secondly, yes, small boat numbers are up, partly for the reason the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, adduced — the fences, patrols and heat sensors around the train tracks and marshalling yards mean that people are now driven to the even more dangerous sea route. But the principal reason clandestine numbers are up is that official resettlement routes are shut. Our schemes, in practice, no longer exist. We have closed the Syrian scheme, we have scrapped the Dubs scheme, we have left Dublin III and we have not got an Afghan scheme up and running. The largest group crossing the channel in the last 18 months, by nationality, were Iranians. In the last 18 months, 3,187 Iranians came. In the same period, one got in by the official route. How many came from Yemen in these 18 months? Yemen is riven by civil war and famine. None came by the official route — not one.

My third set of facts is as in the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett. The Home Secretary says that 70% of channel crossers are

“economic migrants … not genuine asylum seekers”.

That is plainly not true. Her own department’s data show that, of the top 10 nationalities arriving in small boats, virtually all seek asylum—61% are granted it at the initial stage and 59% of the rest on appeal. The facts suggest that well over 70% of asylum seekers coming across the channel in small boats are genuine asylum seekers, not economic migrants.

That is hardly surprising because the top four countries they come from are Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria — not Ghana, I say to the noble Lord, Lord Lilley. These people are fleeing persecution and destitution, and the sea route from France is the only one open to many of them. Why not have a humanitarian visa, as the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, said? The noble Viscount, Lord Waverley, gave the answer to the objection of the noble Lord, Lord Lilley. Those who had a valid claim for asylum would not be at peril on the sea.

Unless we provide a safe route, we are complicit with the people smugglers. Yes, we can condemn their case and we mourn yesterday’s dead, but that does not seem to stop us planning to break with the refugee convention. Our compassion is well controlled because it does not stop us planning, in the borders Bill, to criminalise those who survive the peril of the seas and those at Dover who try to help them. Of course, we can go down that road. But if we do, let us at least be honest enough to admit that what drives us down that road is sheer political prejudice, not the facts, because the facts do not support the case for cruelty."