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2 minutes ago, CDMullins said:

This is the last time I'll engage with you, because you clearly have some sort of mental disorder boarding on psychosis.

The whole point of a forum is to discuss opinions.

I've never mentioned Worrall

I'm not a moaner.

Have a wonderful day 

😅

You're a psychologist now as well. Wow. Get in on that sports psychology team as well. Just putting a CV together for you, I'll have it sent to Farke ASAP.

By the way, lovely use of mental illness to try and slur/insult someone.

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7 minutes ago, chicken said:

😅

You're a psychologist now as well. Wow. Get in on that sports psychology team as well. Just putting a CV together for you, I'll have it sent to Farke ASAP.

By the way, lovely use of mental illness to try and slur/insult someone.

It's not a slur, it's an observation.

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3 minutes ago, CDMullins said:

It's not a slur, it's an observation.

Of course it's a slur. You we applying it to suggest there is something "wrong" with me that devalued my opinion. You can try all you like to wriggle but that much is true.

You also have no basis other than I have disagreed with part of your opinion, assumed a response was all about you (even though I said it wasn't) and then responded by suggesting I have a mental illness.

Not looking brilliant is it?

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[sgncfc 1,233]

Our about to be record signing is 19 years old. Andrew O is 19 years old. Aarons played a full PL season for us when he was 19. I think Godfrey did too, or at 20.

I don't get this "too young for responsibility" thing. If they are good enough, they play. I suspect that Farke now sees AO as "first reserve" behind Gibson and Hanley.

If we are playing a back 4 (which I think we will, most of the time) having Zimmermann as 4th choice is fine. If we are playing a regular back 3, we do probably need another specialist CB. Thing is, we don't know what the plans are and whether Sorensen is considered good enough in a back 3 as long as the other two are specialist.

The suggestion has been that we will keep our loan option open for Skipp - but if he doesn't come, we will use it for a CB. That indicates to me that we won't be buying one and that we will rely on AO.

The team against Liverpool will be a good indicator - I think we'll see a back 4 and if Hanley is fit, he'll play. Otherwise I think we'll see  Gibson and AO. I really hope we don't try to play a back 3 against their movement otherwise it could get messy.

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6 minutes ago, sgncfc said:

Our about to be record signing is 19 years old. Andrew O is 19 years old. Aarons played a full PL season for us when he was 19. I think Godfrey did too, or at 20.

I don't get this "too young for responsibility" thing. If they are good enough, they play. I suspect that Farke now sees AO as "first reserve" behind Gibson and Hanley.

If we are playing a back 4 (which I think we will, most of the time) having Zimmermann as 4th choice is fine. If we are playing a regular back 3, we do probably need another specialist CB. Thing is, we don't know what the plans are and whether Sorensen is considered good enough in a back 3 as long as the other two are specialist.

The suggestion has been that we will keep our loan option open for Skipp - but if he doesn't come, we will use it for a CB. That indicates to me that we won't be buying one and that we will rely on AO.

The team against Liverpool will be a good indicator - I think we'll see a back 4 and if Hanley is fit, he'll play. Otherwise I think we'll see  Gibson and AO. I really hope we don't try to play a back 3 against their movement otherwise it could get messy.

I guess I over-egged that point myself.

What I was trying to say is that Farke would be the first one to say not to expect Omobamidele to be better than the other CB's yet, in his own right, especially when it comes to consistency of performance levels. That's not to say he isn't ready to be part of the squad, whether that be playing regularly or not. I'm just very aware of lessons learned, and as unlikely as lightening striking twice in the same place, if we go in with Gibson, Hanley, Zimbo and Omobamidele we do so with the knowledge that two of those players have a something of a history with injuries... 

With their comments about needing a full back being more important. Part of me wonders about Byram. If he plays CB his workload would be reduced from that we expect from our full backs. That might work better with managing his injuries and I believe he has played CB before.

Re loans, we have one loan spot left for a player from England, but we can still loan from abroad. Would have to meet the same criteria as a signing in regards to a work permit though.

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21 minutes ago, chicken said:

Of course it's a slur. You we applying it to suggest there is something "wrong" with me that devalued my opinion. You can try all you like to wriggle but that much is true.

You also have no basis other than I have disagreed with part of your opinion, assumed a response was all about you (even though I said it wasn't) and then responded by suggesting I have a mental illness.

Not looking brilliant is it?

What opinion?

Apart from your irrational rants at me, someone who to my knowledge I've never communicated with before.

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1 minute ago, CDMullins said:

What opinion?

Apart from your irrational rants at me, someone who to my knowledge I've never communicated with before.

Yup, rather proves my point. I've already said, now several times, it wasn't aimed just at you, therefore not all the points were aimed just at you. So it certainly was intended as an insult and shows how low you are willing to go to try and devalue other posters opinions.

The opinion I expressed is clear. The logic that Hanley isn't good enough because although he played well, he was playing Championship football last season, can be applied to ALL of the players who regularly played for us last season, including one player who has since moved on for £35m to another premier league team.

This is your statement:

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This effectively means no one is allowed to have a positive opinion of him from last season when looking to next year. What can we base our opinion on if we're not allowed to use last season, his most recent season?

The two seasons before were blighted by injury. The season before that he was runner up to Maddison for player of the season.

My opinion is pretty damned clear. I agree with Farke, Webber and the vast majority of fans who believe he and Gibson are currently our best two CB's and based upon their most recent performances, deserve their chance to prove their ability at Premier League level. That being part of the 2nd meanest defence in the league last season is evidence that they can step up.

As others have suggested, they are missing that screen in front of them at the moment which is likely to be why that is a priority above CB at the moment.

 

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2 minutes ago, chicken said:

Yup, rather proves my point. I've already said, now several times, it wasn't aimed just at you, therefore not all the points were aimed just at you. So it certainly was intended as an insult and shows how low you are willing to go to try and devalue other posters opinions.

The opinion I expressed is clear. The logic that Hanley isn't good enough because although he played well, he was playing Championship football last season, can be applied to ALL of the players who regularly played for us last season, including one player who has since moved on for £35m to another premier league team.

This is your statement:

This effectively means no one is allowed to have a positive opinion of him from last season when looking to next year. What can we base our opinion on if we're not allowed to use last season, his most recent season?

The two seasons before were blighted by injury. The season before that he was runner up to Maddison for player of the season.

My opinion is pretty damned clear. I agree with Farke, Webber and the vast majority of fans who believe he and Gibson are currently our best two CB's and based upon their most recent performances, deserve their chance to prove their ability at Premier League level. That being part of the 2nd meanest defence in the league last season is evidence that they can step up.

As others have suggested, they are missing that screen in front of them at the moment which is likely to be why that is a priority above CB at the moment.

 

Bizarre behaviour, have a great evening.

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Just now, CDMullins said:

Bizarre behaviour, have a great evening.

The only bizarre behaviour right now is yours. Denying that I presented an opinion. Denied presenting an opinion that can be levelled at any player in our team. Accused me of having mental illness, accused me of not having an opinion and when all of these are presented to you, you call it "bizarre"... Not looking very good is it?

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2 hours ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

The problem is Nottm Forest currently have a defensive injury crisis, so might be reluctant to let any defenders leave?

One of the injured defenders is Worral.

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19 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

I would imagine its because it's not as simple as popping into a shop and picking one off the shelf.

Webber has already said we will be going deep into the window so hold you hard. 

Do people not have time to read what Webber and people have to say or do they ignore it?

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1 hour ago, CDMullins said:

Bizarre behaviour, have a great evening.

Pardon me, sir… are you playing chicken?

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I think we need 2 defensive midfielders and a CB. 

Zimmermann isn't good enough for the PL, one additional CD would give us, Hanley, Gibson, Andy O + AN Other decent CD - an upgrade on Zimbo.  Some decent depth at CD there.

I'd like to see a permanent signing at CDM plus a loan.  Hopefully Skipp as the loan and also a permanent signing.  Then we can sign a permanent Skipp replacement next summer. Which would hopefully then give us 2 decent CDMs of our own.  Signing just 1 CDM and if we get an injury in that area and all of a sudden we are looking light and then we're back in the doo doo with little protection in front of the defence in the PL. 

I'm happy with the signings so far.  Hopefully Tzolis goes through without a hitch and then it's just the final pieces of the jigsaw. We will definitely have a stronger, more balanced squad, than last time.  I think Sargent will prove to be a good signing.  He has great attributes and a lot of potential and still really young for a CF.  He'll fit in with our style really well.  Much, much better than the extremely one-dimensional Hugill.

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5 hours ago, chicken said:

One of the injured defenders is Worral.

Isn't Hughton Manager? Surely they have a squad of 16 defenders 5 defensive midfielders and a striker