horsefly 4,300 Posted April 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Jools said: You are over 50% more likely to be unemployed in the EU than in the UK In the Eurozone it’s worse: your chances of being unemployed are almost 70% higher Latest figures show how the UK is weathering Covid, but the EU still lags behind During the EU Referendum campaign in 2016, FactsEU.Org repeatedly pointed out the poor performance of the EU when it comes to unemployment. We did this in the face of the then Chancellor George Osborne and the then Prime Minister David Cameron seeking to scare the voting public with wild claims of immediate job losses in the UK of up to 820,000 in the event of a vote to Leave the European Union. Naturally, the pro-EU BBC eagerly seized on these irresponsible and erroneous claims It must be noted that these claims were immediate job losses – they were supposed to be the result of the vote, not even the effect of the UK leaving the EU some time later. The above picture is of the BBC's then Economics Editor, pronouncing on the "dire news". In reality, as we pointed out in the subsequent years, the number of people in jobs following the Brexit vote rose significantly. This was yet another nail in the coffin for Project Fear. No-one apologised for misleading the public in such a grotesque fashion – not the mandarins in HM Treasury (who concocted the wild figures), nor the Chancellor, nor the Prime Minister. Here is what actually happened: So where are we now and where is the EU, after Covid? Today we bring readers the latest data from the EU Commission and from the UK’s Office for National Statistics, showing how the EU continues to lag far behind Brexit Britain. Unemployment: The UK versus the EU United Kingdom: 4.9% EU27: 7.5% Eurozone: 8.3% © Brexit Facts4EU.Org - click to enlarge The UK versus selected EU countries Spain: 16.1% Greece: 15.8% (latest figures from Dec 2020) Italy: 10.2% France: 8.0% © Brexit Facts4EU.Org - click to enlarge Statistical note: The above are the normal, seasonally-adjusted figures based on the active population. OBSERVATIONS Once again, Brexit Britain outranks and outperforms the EU Back in early 2016 we were all being told that poor little Britain couldn’t survive as an independent country in the big, nasty world out there. Unless we were part of the great EU empire we would wither and perish. The truth is the opposite and the facts have proved that. Not only that, but Brexit Britain is set to outperform the EU bloc this year on almost every important measure. The unemployment figures above are a case in point. Facts matter. The truth matters. We happen to think that facts matter - unlike the current leader of one of the UK’s political parties who once told our Editor the exact opposite. (We kid you not.)  Oh dear! The usual misleading guff from Brexitfacts4twa*ts and its sister propoganda s(h)ites. It doesn't seem to occur to the simpletons that push this rubbish that a country's unemployment figures might be more down to domestic policies than EU membership. Likewise, it doesn't occur to these simpletons that the UK's very generous furlough scheme has kept the UK's unemployment figures artificially low. Very strange that someone like you who hates paying tax is so fond of this multi-multi £billion tax-payer funded scheme. Take a wild guess what will happen to the UK unemployment rate when furlough stops. BTW, I note that you, like your best buddy Swindon, failed to respond to the facts I posted from the independent Food and Drink Federation. So here's another opportunity to correct that obvious oversight:  The Food and Drink Federation said the new trading arrangement with Europe had cost exporters more than £1.1bn since January, when Britain left the customs union and single market. Milk and cream exports collapsed by 96.4 per cent while cheese sales to the EU fell by 64.6 per cent in the year to February. Good luck with explaining how that's a brexit bonus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 29, 2021 I see the EU are about to borrow £750 billion to pay off it's debts ! How do they intend to pay it off ? European people ?  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,208 Posted April 29, 2021 Lol Have a look at what the U.K. have borrowed, and then move on to expected borrowing. Who do you think will be paying that back ? I really don’t get your point. America will be spending 4 Trillion on their recovery, I guess a lot of that will be borrowed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50504151 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted April 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: I see the EU are about to borrow £750 billion to pay off it's debts ! How do they intend to pay it off ? European people ?  Hahahaha! Take a guess what the UK debt is you buffoon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
(Hoola)Han Solo 324 Posted April 29, 2021 26 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: I see the EU are about to borrow £750 billion to pay off it's debts ! How do they intend to pay it off ? European people ?  Live pictures of Swindo’s brain đŸ§ Â 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 29, 2021 it's General running cost, people,  more borrowing to come to cover the virus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,208 Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said: it's General running cost, people,  more borrowing to come to cover the virus You are telling another Johnson, highlight somebody else’s high borrowing so that nobody talks about your borrowing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
(Hoola)Han Solo 324 Posted April 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: it's General running cost, people,  more borrowing to come to cover the virus Provide evidence please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: it's General running cost, people,  more borrowing to come to cover the virus I'll give you another chance to write something intelligible. Tell us what the current level of the UK national debt is (here's a piece of advice, you can find it very easily on the web). BTW who is General Running Costs? was he the native Indian right-hand man of General Custer? Edited April 29, 2021 by horsefly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
(Hoola)Han Solo 324 Posted April 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: it's General running cost, people,  more borrowing to come to cover the virus So could that not be why the EU are borrowing money then? By god you’re a f ucking moron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted April 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, (Hoola)Han Solo said: So could that not be why the EU are borrowing money then? By god you’re a f ucking moron. I take it you must have missed Swindo's posts where he self-identifies as an economics expert Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, (Hoola)Han Solo said: Provide evidence please. European debt crisis - Wikipedia Can EU economies grow enough to repay the increasing debt? – EURACTIV.com European financial supervisor warns of ‘tsunami’ of insolvencies | Financial Times (ft.com) Edited April 29, 2021 by SwindonCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said: European debt crisis - Wikipedia Can EU economies grow enough to repay the increasing debt? – EURACTIV.com Are you struggling to find the figures for the UK national debt? Here's a clue, go to google and in the box where it says "search" type in "UK national debt". That should help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, horsefly said: Are you struggling to find the figures for the UK national debt? Here's a clue, go to google and in the box where it says "search" type in "UK national debt". That should help. I was asked for evidence of the EU debt = please pay attention  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,208 Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said: European debt crisis - Wikipedia Can EU economies grow enough to repay the increasing debt? – EURACTIV.com You are telling Johnson’s. I live in the U.K. our borrowing is as horrendous, why are you using the EU to ignore our problems. Does the EU being in debt make our debt go away ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,208 Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said: I was asked for evidence of the EU debt = please pay attention  The U.K. ( and US ) is equally as bad, why are you telling Johnson’s ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said: I was asked for evidence of the EU debt = please pay attention  No, I asked you for the figure for the UK's national debt. You have yet to tell us what the figure is. Now is your chance bird brain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, horsefly said: No, I asked you for the figure for the UK's national debt. You have yet to tell us what the figure is. Now is your chance bird brain no you didn't Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,164 Posted April 29, 2021 Â https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9523241/Britain-grant-diplomatic-status-EUs-ambassador.html Another climb down by Raab. Â 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
(Hoola)Han Solo 324 Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: European debt crisis - Wikipedia Can EU economies grow enough to repay the increasing debt? – EURACTIV.com European financial supervisor warns of ‘tsunami’ of insolvencies | Financial Times (ft.com) So has the UK not got any debt then? If not, please provide proof Marty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 29, 2021 38 minutes ago, (Hoola)Han Solo said: So has the UK not got any debt then? If not, please provide proof Marty. i know the UK has debt, but I was writing about the EU's running cost Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,208 Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said: i know the UK has debt, but I was writing about the EU's running cost Why ? So we ignore our problems ?. How the EU repays theirs doesn’t effect me but how we repay ours does. I notice we have just bought 60 million doses of Pfizer for third doses, does that mean Europe and America got it right by gambling on Pfizer and Moderna, who knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,208 Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, A Load of Squit said:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9523241/Britain-grant-diplomatic-status-EUs-ambassador.html Another climb down by Raab.  Maybe that’s one of the things BJ thinks we should be talking about instead of his flat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,164 Posted April 29, 2021 27 minutes ago, Well b back said: Maybe that’s one of the things BJ thinks we should be talking about instead of his flat. I think they missed a trick with the flat. They could've got Nick Knowles or Alan Carr to do a 'make over' TV show and got it done for nothing.  1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Well b back said: Why ? So we ignore our problems ?. How the EU repays theirs doesn’t effect me but how we repay ours does. I notice we have just bought 60 million doses of Pfizer for third doses, does that mean Europe and America got it right by gambling on Pfizer and Moderna, who knows.  1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: i know the UK has debt, but I was writing about the EU's running cost  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: i know the UK has debt, but I was writing about the EU's running cost Actually this was your original post: I see the EU are about to borrow £750 billion to pay off it's debts ! How do they intend to pay it off ? European people ?  So you were talking about debts not running costs. Nonetheless, let's talk about running costs if you wish, are you suggesting now that the UK doesn't have running costs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, horsefly said: Actually this was your original post: I see the EU are about to borrow £750 billion to pay off it's debts ! How do they intend to pay it off ? European people ?  So you were talking about debts not running costs. Nonetheless, let's talk about running costs if you wish, are you suggesting now that the UK doesn't have running costs? they ran up the debts with their running costs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,208 Posted April 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: they ran up the debts with their running costs I still don’t get it ? Why are you talking about their problems ( which you don’t have to contribute to ) when we have equally severe debt problems, which we do have to pay for. We have just spent 1.5 billion ( assuming the same costs ) on a third vaccine dose Pfizer. Of course though we won’t have to spend that as we will be harvesting the magic Pfizer tree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: they ran up the debts with their running costs Now explain what the difference is between the EU running up debts due to running costs and the UK running up debts due to running costs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites