lake district canary

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.. at Rangers v Celtic, playing now, except they're not playing, both on the bench. Shame really, hope they both get on and Idah does well. Need him to make his mark there and this fixture could make him a hero....if he gets on, that is.

So the wind will be a big factor. No day for hoofball. The team that handles the conditions the best will win.

When we win the play offs, he will be a PL player and will want to stay with us, along with Rowe, Sainz, Sargent et al. Simples, innit?

Its a derby so we have to be high intensity throughout the 90 minutes, none of this negative mindset that seems to set in so easily at times. Stand off them like we have done against some other top six clubs this season and there will be only one outcome. 100% focus and positivity is what it needs. Anything less and we'll lose.

In your opinion.

Genuine slapstick is intentional and choreographed and usually harmless. Interesting freak incident and worth seeing, but can't see it as funny, when a player clearly sustains a serious head injury. Ended up hospitalised too. This was a freak accident where one player was totally knocked out. The fact that the ball went on to hit another is a one in a million chance, but not funny in my book. We're supposed to be more aware of the dangers of head injuries in football, but it seems some just find them funny....but then some people always seem to find other peoples' mishaps funny, but I bet those people wouldn't like having a ball in the face at the speed that was travelling.

Why people find that funny, I don't know.

Ouch and ouch! The fact that the second contact knocked the player over, shows how hard the first contact was.

We should play well today, but we do give chances away so I'd go for a high scoring game, like 5-3.

Yes it is boring, as is every petty fogging minor thing that triggers the woke brigade on multiple subjects. What he said was wrong, it was mistaken, it was badly judged - and that should be all that is said about it imo. I'm surprised that anyone of any stature wants to say anything about these kinds of subjects anymore, because it is a minefield of what you can say and what you can't say for fear of offending those who are just waiting for the slightest slip of the tongue to pounce and cry Racist! Sexist! or whatever "ist" it is that triggers them. Webber fell into the trap by daring to make a particular point, he did it badly - wrongly even - but underlying that, was a positive message about footballers, which most people seem to have ignored, in favour of shouting him down.

Amazing how people can't stand a debate without resorting to put downs. Maybe it's because they are losing the argument.......

Just because someone mentions black players, it doesn't make what they say racist. He was poor with his choice of words, shouldn't have mentioned individuals, but that is all. It's getting to the point where people can't use the word "black" anymore, because the word itself is seen as racist, which is ridiculous.

Basically this, I’m really not sure what you’re not getting @lake district canary? There’s a difference between being a racist and saying something racist. What he said was objectively racist for the reasons above, why he said it is probably something for Webber to reflect on. The stats show that young black people are more likely to struggle in getting jobs etc than any other groups of people - and as I keep saying, there have been plenty of reports and studies which show this. So why is it wrong to highlight that?

Look, I don't know how many times I've got to say it. Webber was wrong to bring those players names up. I've said it several times now. What I don't agree with is the cries of racism when he was clearly trying to make a point about the problems young black people face in society, which are well documented and how football can help. And yes, (sigh), all young people can run into problems, no-one is denying that, but if you are making a certain point, you use examples to help your point. It was wrong of him to do that, I really don't know what he was thinking, he should just have kept his mouth shut on the subject. But there are people who just want to see things in polar opposites all the time - and I wish people would try and understand that it doesn't have top be that way. He was wrong, he was misguided, but he was trying to make a salient point - that football offers young black players a way out of societal difficulties. Surely - even through his clumsiness, his bad choice of words and the wrong use of names - people can see that?

Basically this, I’m really not sure what you’re not getting @lake district canary? There’s a difference between being a racist and saying something racist. What he said was objectively racist for the reasons above, why he said it is probably something for Webber to reflect on. The stats show that young black people are more likely to struggle in getting jobs etc than any other groups of people - and as I keep saying, there have been plenty of reports and studies which show this. So why is it wrong to highlight that?

I don't think anyone is defending racial profiling. I'm talking about defending someone's right to talk about a specific problem. How else can someone talk about the problems black people have in society without being free to talk about it? There are many studies and reports that highlight that particular issue and Webber has a right to talk about it if he wishes. That he totally messed it up is clear, but he still had the right to try and talk about the issue.

Rubbish. I have done all I can to say how stupid his comments were. I am just prepared to try and understand what was behind what he said, not just jumping on the bandwagon of accusations.

There have been countless studies highlighting the problems for black people getting jobs compared to white people. Why shouldn't anyone highlight that if they want to? Is that racism, inverse racism or some other 'ism? I don't think so. Webber was ham-fisted, clumsy and wrong to name names, but that is all.

At least I'm thinking about it rather than just shouting one line accusations out.

This is the main point - he messed up - but it is obvious to anyone that has a brain that he was trying to make a positive comment about football being good for black youngsters - he just wrapped it up in a very poor way, bringing in names that he shoudn't have used, making it easy for the woke brigade to jump on him and shout "racist" and upsetting those players and their families. So he could have named some white footballers too, but statistically, black people have more problems in the job market than white and there are reports/reviews/study after study that show this is still a big issue in society - and that was what he was trying to say. People keep saying "you're wrong, you're wrong" but I've not excused him one bit, all I've done is to try and understand the meaning of what he was trying to say. Yes, I'll agree he laid himself open to cries of racist, but there is much more to it than that.

I agree with most of that. My issue is people rushing to shout racist when all he was doing was trying to highlight the good things about people getting success as footballers. Clumsy, that's all.

"Or something" could mean drugs, gang warfare, crime, poverty, depression, alcohol, betting.....are all problems that exist as potential issues. Why can't people understand whole sentences rather than one word?? "Jail or something" is a clumsy way of saying what he meant. He's an idiot, but he's not a racist.

The full quote was "in jail or something". So no 100% indicated at all.