LeJuge

[quote user="Nexus_Canary"][quote user="LeJuge"]wwwwwhhhhooooooosssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh.[/quote] Noun: The use of irony to mock or convey contempt.What is Sarcasm  ?[/quote]Using a dictionary to disguise the fact that you were caught hook, line, and sinker. That''s a little like running after a bus, not getting to it on time, and continuing to run in order to make it look like you were out having a leisurely jog.

[quote user="TheJarrold"]So does this mean I can''t wear one of my classic home shirts to a home game? Unless they are gonna be there to offer me a free shirt on the way in they can ''jog on!'' Another example of the club treating fans disgracefully [/quote]I give up on life.

[quote user="Nexus_Canary"]How would the club enforce such totalitarian rubbish for starters ?I can see it now  "Ok Snake Pit, Barcley and Jarold lets have a big hush. That goal scored by Grant Holt in the 93rd minute to make it 2-1 Norwich was sponsered by Justin Case Auto Repair located in Flegborough. And remember " Justin Case you break down, call Justin Case""Mr Jarold is in the Family area, repeat Mr Jarold is in the Family area....... the old codger in the sunbleached bobble hat get him out of here !!!!!!!"Surely this is a wind up ?[/quote]wwwwwhhhhooooooosssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[quote user="QPR67"]Meh.... regarding our attendance, fans of other clubs seem to forget we have not one but two Premiership clubs down the road. Fulham is 3 miles away and Chelsea (one of the top clubs in the country... spit spit) is 3.5miles. Add to that Arsenal & Spurs less than 10 miles plus the Championship & lower divison clubs too and that''s a dozen clubs in London plus Watford & Reading close by. Norwich''s, for example, closest is Spurs, over 100 miles away. Ipswich, Peterborough, Colchester & Southend all a significant distance away not to have an effect. Same with Swansea, apart from Cardiff, no other major club for miles. Phil Beard is certainly going to earn his keep if our attendances are to grow to the point where not only do we need to move, but we can then sustain that. It''ll be hard work but they seem up for it.[/quote]We are the only club in Norfolk, population 850,000 and were getting 25000 people week in week out in League one. We have 21833 season ticket holders and nearly 2000 people on the waiting list for a season ticket. Ipswich are the only club in Suffolk, population 715,000 and had an average attendance of 18809 and have sold 13000 season tickets, with nobody on the waiting list. Gillingham are the only club in Kent, population 1,600,000 and had an average attendance of 6335 in League One in 2009/10.Brighton are the only club in Sussex, population 930,000. In their big new stadium this year, their first year in it. They haven''t had a sell out yet (22000), first game in the stadium 20000. We have sold more season tickets than that. It''s about time people stopped playing the one county club game and simply acknowledged that City have fantastic fans. The people of Norfolk wholeheartedly reject the idea of supporting the likes of Manchester United and instead turn up to support the best team in East Anglia. People from Norwich and Norfolk are incredibly proud people you know. If you are going to play the one county club game then please explain why no other one club county is seeing gates like ours.

[quote user="meh"]QPR have not spent big and never have. Yes we may have spent more in wages, signing on fee''s and agent fees but, what - do you think that Norwich or anyone else suddenly pay significantly less agent fee''s or wages because you spent more on the transfer fee? In reality, QPR''s net spend is probably very similar amount to Norwich.We have a great team spirit - we certainly haven''t done a Man City playing with a team of mercenaries. Anton Ferdinand may very well be an "average" player - but the difference is, he is an average *Premier League* player, which is still of a far higher quality then top Championship standard players. Warnock tactically naive? We won the Championship last season. I didn''t realise you could be tactically naive for 46 games and still finish 1st. Strange one that.Our owner. He''s come in and delivered. Backed the manager. X amount of new players in just a few weeks. New sponsorship and an immediate aim to globalise the QPR brand. Very open and honest. Reduced ticket prices. Communicates with fans. Invites fan''s to games! What more can you ask for?Poor attendace: Well thats what 15 years in the wilderness does to you. Unfortunately, we missed out on many Premier League years and our fanbase diminished. But then, our stadium capacity is only around 18k. Last night vs Newcastle, it was restricted to about 17k and Newcastle didn''t sell out. Attendance was just over 16k. It doesn''t matter. If we start being more successful on and off the pitch, our fan base grows. So pretty much a full capacity for a Monday night game live in Sky. Thing''s aren''t so bad.[/quote]I''ve never had any opinion on QPR fans before recently, but the more I encounter them the thicker they sound. "QPR have not spent big and never have. Yes we may have spent more in wages, signing on fee''s and agent fees but, what - do you think that Norwich or anyone else suddenly pay significantly less agent fee''s or wages because you spent more on the transfer fee? In reality, QPR''s net spend is probably very similar amount to Norwich."Barton was on £60k per week at Newcastle, you are rumoured to have matched his wages, he is on a four year deal. He is going to cost you £3m in wages per year, equivalent to £12m. You are also rumoured to have given Wright-Phillips £3m a year too for 3 years, that''s £9m in three years. Our highest earner is probably not on any more than £10k - £12k per week, and if I were to make an educated guess I would have a stab in the dark at James Vaughan. Every club sets their playing budget, that playing budget includes transfer fees and player wages, we simply don''t have people on that sort of money at the club."We have a great team spirit - we certainly haven''t done a Man City playing with a team of mercenaries." How you can make this call after one half decent game with your new players is beyond me. The idea that Man City are signing mercenaries and QPR aren''t is beyond me, money talks with big players, Barton and SWP wouldn''t have joined you for a pay cut, they joined you because you were the club willing to match their wages. They are on Arsenal money at little old QPR, they ARE mercenaries."Our owner. He''s come in and delivered. Backed the manager. X amount of new players in just a few weeks. New sponsorship and an immediate aim to globalise the QPR brand. Very open and honest. Reduced ticket prices. Communicates with fans. Invites fan''s to games! What more can you ask for?"I genuinely hope it works out for you, but recent history dictates that it doesn''t always happen. When the owners lose interest and get fed up with feeding a club money it can all go wrong. If in doubt look at West Ham with their Icelandic consortium, if in doubt look at Ipswich with Marcus Evans and his £40m, if in doubt look at Aston Villa who were a top six team and have been asset stripped. If in doubt look at Newcastle after Ashley poured money into the club, thankfully he stuck around for a year. Look at Portsmouth who can only put 2 subs on the bench on a good week. If you want to look in Scotland then look at Gretna. If the current owners lose interest or stop the flow of money it will not be them suffering the consequences. If Fernandes jumps ship in two years and you have players like Barton on the books at £60k a week, then you are well and truly f*cked. That is football economics. Look at Hull City, they are absolutely broke, mainly because they went down with Jimmy Bullard on £50k a week. Goodness knows what would happen if you went down with five or six Jimmy Bullards. Nobody is saying that it IS going to happen, but your money brings great risk. Your owners are under no obligation to put money into your club contractually, they can sign players like Barton and then decide not to meet the wage costs. If they walk in two years, it is the club which pays the price, not the current owners. They will have limited liability, effectively no liability. I wouldn''t want it to happen to any club, not even Ipswich, but it can happen and does happen a lot. Every club has an overwhelming sense of optimism when they get a new owner with promises. It can go wrong though, QPR fans don''t seem to be able to see through that right now. Norwich are sustainable on their income, we have reduced our debt for two consecutive seasons with no sugar daddy, we don''t get drip fed by Delia. Our squad looks to be one which is sustainable on parachute payments.There are clear differences between the two business models. I assume that Fernandes and Co want to achieve sustainability, like Abramovich has failed to do at Chelsea, and he will have a target to achieve it within X amount of years. He isn''t going to put his own financial health on the line should you fail to achieve sustainability, you had better hope that his plans work. "Poor attendace: Well thats what 15 years in the wilderness does to you." Funny how 15 years in the wilderness didn''t do that to us. Our attendances have increased by 8000 a week since losing our Premiership status, and we sold 20000 season tickets in the third tier of English football. We all know that your argument is a rubbish one anyway. Average QPR attendances:2010   133492009   140902008   139532007   129362006   134412005   160562004   147852003   132062002   117492001   120132000   125911999   117991998   130831997   125541996   156721995   14621   (15 years ago)1994   141161993   15002 (you finished 5th in the Prem this year)1992   135971991   135241990   130871989   123551988   132681987   117541986   126651985   1400I''ve gone back 25 years and your 15 years in the wilderness explanation doesn''t hold, how far in history would you like to go exactly? Tinpoint team who could never be self-sufficient at this level and need to be REALLY careful with this ownership situation. Your ground only holds 18000 people, but in reality it has only needed to hold 15000 for the past 30 years hasn''t it? Your grounds too big for you. You attendances were low last season because they have ALWAYS been low. "Unfortunately, we missed out on many Premier League years and our fanbase diminished."No it didn''t, it is precisely the same, just as small as it was. "If we start being more successful on and off the pitch, our fan base grows."Does it? You finished 5th in 92/93, 9th in 93/94, 10th in 94/95, in the Premier League. If QPR fans are expecting to achieve a 5th place finish at any stage in the next 15 years then you are all raving loonies. Premiership attendances have been falling for a few years by the way.

[quote user="Loopzilla"]Don''t see anything disrespectful there, to be fair, on paper they probably do have a stronger squad. As long as they have the same team spirit, work ethic, man-management etc etc us then they should be OK then! [;)][/quote]Exactly, that was what got us promoted, not the quality of our squad. Lambert got the best out of a bunch who were in no stretch of the imagination the 2nd best team in terms of ability, but by far and away the best in terms of desire and resolve.

[quote user="rmctie"]Tom fair point although thought saying ''we have a squad good enough for the premier league would have sufficed.'' Seems to me he was taking a little dig at Norwich and Simon lappin that was why I posted the message because it was about Norwich not because it was about lansbury, end of.[/quote]Did you link to the wrong article then? What are you talking about, there wasn''t anything in there that could be construed as a dig at Simon Lappin you wally, strange comment. He was stating the obvious, we were thin on the ground all year at Norwich, we were stuck playing the diamond, and there were numerous players who didn''t really have anybody competing for their place last year.Ruddy didn''t really have competition, Russell Martin didn''t, the likes of Gill and OTJ weren''t capable of putting pressure on Crofts and Fox, and until the end of the season we didn''t have any outlet other than Hoolahan (and still don''t, really). Lansbury is right, we had a very small squad, and at some stages the 16 fit players were the players in the squad.

[quote user="rmctie"]Mr Lansbury saying West Ham have a stronger squad than Norwich, oh dear henri.http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/westham/westhamnews/9248140.Hammers_have_stronger_squad_than_promoted_Canaries/[/quote]They do have a stronger squad than the one that we went up with last year, you seem to be criticising him for stating the obvious. We punched above our weight and our passion and endeavour got us up. Looks like we missed a trick on Baldock too, quality young player who will develop into a player like Kevin Phillips in my opinion. The eleven players starting their last match were.....Green, Reid, Tomkins, O''Brien, McCartney, Taylor, Lansbury, M. Noble, Faubert, K. Nolan, Cole. On the bench they had.... Bentley, Piquionne, Faye, Boffin, Baldock. Our typical eleven towards the end of last year was....Ruddy, Martin, Whitbread, Ward, Tierney, Fox, Crofts, Hoolahan, Surman, Holt, Jackson. Players that were used a lot on the bench included.... Rudd, Lappin, Smith, Wilbraham, GillI don''t think Lansbury wins any prizes for stating the obvious, on paper they should walk the Championship, and with 15 goals in 6 games they probably will. They have scored 4 goals in three of their games already. They are by far the strongest squad in that league and would have been last year too. We wouldn''t have got automatic with West Ham in the league, I expect them to win the league and then stay in it without signing many players, just like Newcastle did.

[quote user="rmctie"]Mr Lansbury saying West Ham have a stronger squad than Norwich, oh dear henri.http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/westham/westhamnews/9248140.Hammers_have_stronger_squad_than_promoted_Canaries/[/quote]They do have a stronger squad than the one that we went up with last year, you seem to be criticising him for stating the obvious. We punched above our weight and our passion and endeavour got us up. Looks like we missed a trick on Baldock too, quality young player who will develop into a player like Kevin Phillips in my opinion. The eleven players starting their last match were.....Green, Reid, Tomkins, O''Brien, McCartney, Taylor, Lansbury, M. Noble, Faubert, K. Nolan, Cole. On the bench they had.... Bentley, Piquionne, Faye, Boffin, Baldock. Our typical eleven towards the end of last year was....Ruddy, Martin, Whitbread, Ward, Tierney, Fox, Crofts, Hoolahan, Surman, Holt, Jackson. Players that were used a lot on the bench included.... Rudd, Lappin, Smith, Wilbraham, GillI don''t think Lansbury wins any prizes for stating the obvious, on paper they should walk the Championship, and with 15 goals in 6 games they probably will. They have scored 4 goals in three of their games already. They are by far the strongest squad in that league and would have been last year too. We wouldn''t have got automatic with West Ham in the league, I expect them to win the league and then stay in it without signing many players, just like Newcastle did.

[quote user="spencer 1970"]lets be realistic fellow yellas...we''d love to have Anton F (instead of de laet or barnett), SWP (instead of pilks or bennet), JB (instead of wilbo), and Barton (instead of Lappin or Korey) in our squad but the truth is we dont have one of the richest families backing 33% of every signing so that was never going to happen. What we have got in our favour is the fact that Colin is a great motivator but his tactical awareness is sometimes naive; Put this against our PL ("unproven but bright young thing") and our young and hungry squad and we''ll be there or there abouts...(17th) something tells me Colin won''t be there come May and a few dodgy results for QPR will make their squad start to look over their shoulders. Our players have nothing to lose, QPR''s have. I have to add, I don''t mind the R''s...I hope they stay up along with us.[/quote]"we''d love to have Anton F (instead of de laet or barnett)"What about Whitbread, Ward? I don''t think that Ferdinand is any better than those players when fully fit."SWP (instead of pilks or bennet)"I''d love to have SWP here, but Bennett is a class player and will show that this year."JB (instead of wilbo)"Bothroyd is a decent player, but so is James Vaughan."Barton (instead of Lappin or Korey)"A stupid example, Lappin and Korey haven''t featured all season and probably won''t get half a dozen appearances between them this season. I''m sure that QPR would swap Hoolahan for some fringe player in their squad. Worry about the XI. I think that Barton is top draw, and better than any of our other tough tackling midfielders, but he is also a nutter and could lose the plot at any moment..... so no, I don''t want him here. "Our players have nothing to lose, QPR''s have."What do the big name QPR players have to lose? They have big contracts and wouldn''t hesistate to move on again in summer if relegation happened. Norwich players have more to lose, they might not get the chance again. "I don''t mind the R''s...I hope they stay up along with us."I didn''t mind them until they all came on here three weeks ago throwing tantrums and boasting about their signings, now I''d love to see them relegated.

[quote user="QPR1"]You guys still don''t get it. You guys have spent more then we have.Because we have spent wisely and got dood quality players on free transfers does not mean we are buying success.We could accuse NCFC of trying to buy success,but what QPR and NCFC have done is get in players that they think will keep them up this year.We will see at the end of the season who is right and who is wrong.[/quote]That''s a silly argument. Of course we understand what you are trying to say, but we don''t have players on £50k, £60k, per week. The difference in transfer fees won''t even cover Joey Bartons wages for the year. The worry for you has to be your wage bill, if you can''t stay up. Paying silly money to players didn''t work out in the long run for West Ham. Newcastle just about survived but they get four times more people in their ground.

[quote user="paul moy"][quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]QPR seem to lack a decent striker. Even after spending big on transfer deadline day they have not resolved this problem.[/quote] They have DJ Campbell who scored 13 in the Prem last season, which is better than any of our current lot will muster this season IMO. . [/quote]That tally was a bit flattering though, he played as a lone striker in an attacking team and had 71 shots on goal. That''s 1 goal in 5.46 shots, not bad, but you would expect Grant Holt or Simeon Jackson to achieve a similar strike rate if they had that many chances.

[quote user="LeJuge"][quote user="LeJuge"][quote user="QPR67"] Did you see the picture of "Team Loftus"? Nice isn''t it.[/quote]I don''t have any comments to make about the respective quality of each of our teams just yet, I prefer to get a bit further into a season before making a judgement, we have been slow off of the starting blocks for our two promotion seasons. On paper you have a very good team, on paper we have an unproven team full of raw talent, who knows which one will pay dividends. We might both stay up, we might both go down, one could probably assume that if you keep Joey Barton fit and he doesn''t lose the plot then you will have a good chance of a strong finish. I do have to wonder what the relevance of the ''Team Loftus'' thing has to do with us at all though, yeah so it''s a yellow and green race car, fail to see your point. If your point is that Lotus is a Norfolk based business and used to be our shirt sponsor then your barking up the wrong tree mate. Fernandes owns a team called ''Team Lotus'', and he is currently in a court battle with ''Group Lotus'' over the use of their name, it has nothing to do with the company which makes Lotus cars. The actual Lotus car company, the one that makes the Lotus cars that you see on the road and employs hundreds of people in Norfolk, sponsors the team Lotus Renault F1. They were the Lotus who, along with Proton, were our shirt sponsors for several years.Unless you are in some way insinuating that seeing the word ''Loftus'' in yellow, on a green background, would somehow upset us? Because I can''t think of anything more trivial. You are talking to fans who had to put up with those filthy glory hunters at Carrow Road wearing yellow and green scarves for several years. Fernandes wanted ''Team Lotus'' to race in black and green this year but was prevented by doing so because Lotus Renault F1 decided to do the same. About a month ago Group Lotus announced a £1m five year sponsorship deal of something or other, not quite sure yet, so it is safe to assume that we will not be having anything whatsoever to do with ''Team Lotus'' and Fernandes under any circumstances. Group Lotus are currently suing him, after all.[/quote]I meant "filthy glory hunters at Old Trafford wearing yellow and green scarves for several years." of course, although to a small degree the former still applies.[/quote]This:http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/sport/norwich_city_announce_partnership_with_group_lotus_1_996044Is a completely different business.

[quote user="LeJuge"][quote user="QPR67"] Did you see the picture of "Team Loftus"? Nice isn''t it.[/quote]I don''t have any comments to make about the respective quality of each of our teams just yet, I prefer to get a bit further into a season before making a judgement, we have been slow off of the starting blocks for our two promotion seasons. On paper you have a very good team, on paper we have an unproven team full of raw talent, who knows which one will pay dividends. We might both stay up, we might both go down, one could probably assume that if you keep Joey Barton fit and he doesn''t lose the plot then you will have a good chance of a strong finish. I do have to wonder what the relevance of the ''Team Loftus'' thing has to do with us at all though, yeah so it''s a yellow and green race car, fail to see your point. If your point is that Lotus is a Norfolk based business and used to be our shirt sponsor then your barking up the wrong tree mate. Fernandes owns a team called ''Team Lotus'', and he is currently in a court battle with ''Group Lotus'' over the use of their name, it has nothing to do with the company which makes Lotus cars. The actual Lotus car company, the one that makes the Lotus cars that you see on the road and employs hundreds of people in Norfolk, sponsors the team Lotus Renault F1. They were the Lotus who, along with Proton, were our shirt sponsors for several years.Unless you are in some way insinuating that seeing the word ''Loftus'' in yellow, on a green background, would somehow upset us? Because I can''t think of anything more trivial. You are talking to fans who had to put up with those filthy glory hunters at Carrow Road wearing yellow and green scarves for several years. Fernandes wanted ''Team Lotus'' to race in black and green this year but was prevented by doing so because Lotus Renault F1 decided to do the same. About a month ago Group Lotus announced a £1m five year sponsorship deal of something or other, not quite sure yet, so it is safe to assume that we will not be having anything whatsoever to do with ''Team Lotus'' and Fernandes under any circumstances. Group Lotus are currently suing him, after all.[/quote]I meant "filthy glory hunters at Old Trafford wearing yellow and green scarves for several years." of course, although to a small degree the former still applies.

[quote user="QPR67"] Did you see the picture of "Team Loftus"? Nice isn''t it.[/quote]I don''t have any comments to make about the respective quality of each of our teams just yet, I prefer to get a bit further into a season before making a judgement, we have been slow off of the starting blocks for our two promotion seasons. On paper you have a very good team, on paper we have an unproven team full of raw talent, who knows which one will pay dividends. We might both stay up, we might both go down, one could probably assume that if you keep Joey Barton fit and he doesn''t lose the plot then you will have a good chance of a strong finish. I do have to wonder what the relevance of the ''Team Loftus'' thing has to do with us at all though, yeah so it''s a yellow and green race car, fail to see your point. If your point is that Lotus is a Norfolk based business and used to be our shirt sponsor then your barking up the wrong tree mate. Fernandes owns a team called ''Team Lotus'', and he is currently in a court battle with ''Group Lotus'' over the use of their name, it has nothing to do with the company which makes Lotus cars. The actual Lotus car company, the one that makes the Lotus cars that you see on the road and employs hundreds of people in Norfolk, sponsors the team Lotus Renault F1. They were the Lotus who, along with Proton, were our shirt sponsors for several years.Unless you are in some way insinuating that seeing the word ''Loftus'' in yellow, on a green background, would somehow upset us? Because I can''t think of anything more trivial. You are talking to fans who had to put up with those filthy glory hunters at Carrow Road wearing yellow and green scarves for several years. Fernandes wanted ''Team Lotus'' to race in black and green this year but was prevented by doing so because Lotus Renault F1 decided to do the same. About a month ago Group Lotus announced a £1m five year sponsorship deal of something or other, not quite sure yet, so it is safe to assume that we will not be having anything whatsoever to do with ''Team Lotus'' and Fernandes under any circumstances. Group Lotus are currently suing him, after all.

[quote user="CambridgeCanary"]The notice clearly only refers to selling or passing the programmes on in the ground so those who get given them after the game have nothing to fear. It does seem odd but remember when the under 21 identity scandal broke to derision only for the level of fraud to be revealed weeks later.[/quote]I think you will find that most people were fully supportive of the under 21 thing, that was righfully considered fraudulent, and it wasn''t just a question of club coffers but also of fairness and equality amongst fans. If a 23 year old paying an adult price is sitting next to a 23 year old who was crafty and got an under 21 ticket, I really don''t consider that fair.The issue that people had with that one was that a lot of people were given just two weeks to verify their age, not everybody lives in easy reach of Norwich and pay a lot of money in fuel or train tickets to travel to every Norwich game without needing to travel to all the way down to verify their age, when the club could have given them much more notice. The idea of threatening loyal customers who pay a lot of money (as the 59''ers do) with a punishment like they are some sort of criminal because they hand over a programme for somebody to flick through for 5 minutes before a game is ludicrious. As Purple said above, there is a limit. Stopping downright fraud and dishonesty is a positive move and we didn''t see a single one of those 200 fans come on here and complain that they were banned for a year, because every single one knew that they were in the wrong. But to threaten people who have probably given the club tens of thousands of pounds of their money, watching more rubbish football than they have good football over the past decade, with a ban for handing over a booklet which probably costs 40p to print, a booklet that they no doubt pay for as part of their package, is ludicrious. There was no doubt ways in which McNally and co could have looked, and have looked, to raise revenues. The Under 21 thing was the perfect example of the way that the club should be operating, that''s a positive and significant move.I can tell you that I almost always buy a programme and would have no problem whatsoever if the man next to me was reading a programme that was indirectly paid for by his dad who sits in the 59er lounge, but I would take issue if he pulled out an Under 21 season ticket.

[quote user="norfolkbroadslim"][quote user="LeJuge"][quote user="Gingerpele"]Vaughan..... Best has a pretty average striker rate, never been a wonderful player. But just because he''s looked good in a couple of games, he''s the exact type of player we need? Bet if we had signed him in the summer, plenty of people would not have been all that happy...[/quote]6 goals in 10 starts and 3 sub last year / 6 goals in 13 last season. 2 goals in 1 start and 1 sub this year / 2 goals in 2 this season.That''s 8 goals in his last 15 games![/quote]   One was a hattrick so that aside - 5 goals in 14 starts. [/quote]Not sure what your trying to say there, but he started the game against West Ham in which he scored a hat-trick! Also, it was 8 goals in 15 games, not starts, of which 11 of those games were starts and 4 were from the bench. Whether you want to say 8 goals in 11 starts, or 8 goals in 15 games, it is highly impressive either way. Since when do hat tricks not count though? Does that mean we have to take away Holt''s hat tricks last season? If so he scored 15 league goals instead of 21 :/

Hoolahan, the bloke is pure class, massively under rated. I''d go as far as to say that he could play for Man Utd or Liverpool. We are a completely different team with him in the side, it has been the same for two years. The fact that he isn''t Irelands star player is a travesty.

They call it a ''complimentary'' program, but it is actually part of the agreement that they have, they don''t buy a programme because they are entitled to a free one. If I were one of those affected I would say stuff them and give it to whoever I want, would they really be able to ban them? It could be argued that the programme is part of the contract that they have and as such it is theres to do as they wish. The program is part of the package. If you buy a bed and breakfast holiday package you don''t say..... "oooo, we got free flights, a free hotel, and a free breakfast every morning".... How can you give somebody something for ''free'' and dictate what they can or can''t do with it? There is being prudent, and there is being damn greedy, there are people watching games who can remember putting money in blankets to keep the club going. God forbid that they never need to pass a blanket around again or issue another share issue (which most people took up to HELP the club, not because they were gullible enough to believe it would have a return). A lot of people win begin to remember this as a club who squeezed every single penny that they could out of the fans at every single opportunity, there won''t be much forgiveness if things were to ever go wrong. Threatening bans left, right, and centre, charging for this, charging for that. It''s almost as if this club is beginning to take its supporters for granted. There are a hell of a lot of clubs out there who would be desperate for a fan base as big as ours, and they would appreciate them!

[quote user="First Wazzock"]From that thug Gabriel Tamas, and their unbelievably stupid manager Roy Hodgson, "As [Vaughan] turns, Tamas catches him with his elbow, but I am 100% convinced it is unintentional". The FA charge apeaks for itself Roy, you cant defend the indefensible. If it''s good enough for Kevin Davies to aplogise to Tom Cleverley...but I''m not holding my breath. [/quote]Technically its still innocent until proven guilty, he will have the opportunity to present a plea and if that plea is not guilty he can attend and have his case heard.

[quote user="Nexus_Canary"][quote user="LeJuge"]Yeah then we can txt each other and you can add comedian to your CV, next to kiddy fid.... sorry I mean teacher !! And we can make font pink! And eat wotsitmebobs and play fifi on playstaty tree. Somebody should ssssso ssssoooooooooooooooo use you for their phdd paper in functionalz illiterati !! Then we can meet for fizzy pop burb stuff in fizzy pop burp building and then fizzy pop fall walk down street near football with fizzy pop people. We mite meet footballer and get signed things and they tell me name and I put it all on forum, yaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!! Then we get home and get fizzy pop ill and wake up with fizzy pop headache. Then sad face nexus, sad face juge, headache, bad tummy, get moody, fall out, then nexus call juge duche and i call nexus douche, and we have big thing, angry, sad faces, cry. Then ice cream, 99, flake, all happy again. Happy nexus, happy juge, you tell all little midget people how to write story bout and stuff. [/quote]errr....ok....[/quote]Nexus not like ice cweam? want choco?

[quote user="Gingerpele"]Vaughan..... Best has a pretty average striker rate, never been a wonderful player. But just because he''s looked good in a couple of games, he''s the exact type of player we need? Bet if we had signed him in the summer, plenty of people would not have been all that happy...[/quote]6 goals in 10 starts and 3 sub last year / 6 goals in 13 last season. 2 goals in 1 start and 1 sub this year / 2 goals in 2 this season.That''s 8 goals in his last 15 games!

What a load of old turd, the club is getting really bloody petty. What''s this going to save them? £20 a match?

[quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="LeJuge"][quote user="Mello Yello"]More to the point....... What is the point of Formula One?[/quote]It''s an excuse for really rich people to burn big holes in the ozone layer with public support. From a drivers perspective, the point is to get lots of fanny. [/quote] Craddocks......[/quote]No, Jackie Danny!

[quote user="morty"][quote user="LeJuge"][quote user="Nexus_Canary"][quote user="LeJuge"][quote user="Nexus_Canary"]You take yourself far too seriously.[/quote]C-[/quote]Hey, you could have a new career as a teacher !You can add it to your CV next to failed footballer and Internet Grammar Policeman.[/quote]Yeah then we can txt each other and you can add comedian to your CV, next to kiddy fid.... sorry I mean teacher !! And we can make font pink! And eat wotsitmebobs and play fifi on playstaty tree. Somebody should ssssso ssssoooooooooooooooo use you for their phdd paper in functionalz illiterati !! Then we can meet for fizzy pop burb stuff in fizzy pop burp building and then fizzy pop fall walk down street near football with fizzy pop people. We mite meet footballer and get signed things and they tell me name and I put it all on forum, yaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!! Then we get home and get fizzy pop ill and wake up with fizzy pop headache. Then sad face nexus, sad face juge, headache, bad tummy, get moody, fall out, then nexus call juge duche and i call nexus douche, and we have big thing, angry, sad faces, cry. Then ice cream, 99, flake, all happy again. Happy nexus, happy juge, you tell all little midget people how to write story bout and stuff. [/quote]Well, thats certainly upped the stakes here.Oof![/quote]No, we all eat ice cream, then nexus and juge happy face, yaaaayyyy!