Binky

Not at 5pm weekdays travelling west it isn''t. (Anyone seen the Celtic strip tonight? VERY smart!) [quote user="YankeeCanary"]I''m not able to get the game on the radio today. Therefore, depending on updates. However, in between, I am watching the Manchester United/Celtic game. Celtic are wearing Norwich colours. I am pretending...... [/quote] Ah thanks Yankee - thought my colour hold was just on the blink...

[quote user="C T"][quote user="the artist formerly known as VIYAG"]Cambridge rocks...many happy memories...[/quote] [Y] Indeed it does. Long road is sooo much better than my old secondary school [/quote] Not at 5pm weekdays travelling west it isn''t. (Anyone seen the Celtic strip tonight? VERY smart!)

[quote user="Have Heart"][quote user="C T"][quote user="Have Heart"][quote user="C T"][quote user="Have Heart"] [quote user="C T"]Is it 3-2 wolves yet? [/quote] Your a f**king c*ck, can stick than san jose badge up your arse!   [/quote] everyone else is negative, so why cant i be?[:P] [/quote] Then follow the crowd you pr**k.... always one that doesn''t like to see city doing ok. Lets enjoy it while we can, typical muppet following san jose for one reason past memories haha [/quote] Believe me mate, i ALWAYS want norwich to do well and win every game. Keyboard warriors arent very intelligent are they? [/quote] Its a shame then your words don''t show you want norwich to do well.... haha mate would say the same with we were in a pub together! Just pointless negativity move on enjoy the result may not stay like it but hey we have scored!!! [/quote] May I just remind you laddies that this is the OFFICIAL match thread - so please, no bad language and let''s be objective here..

I bet we''ll be told "Hoolahan had his best game in a City shirt.." Think we should sign him on a permanent - or at least play him again sometime - you never know he might get good at it ;)

[quote user="Binky"]Glad it was Clingan anyway. Not seen him have a bad game yet - and that includes the defeat by Spurs.[/quote] An own goal! Boo!

Glad it was Clingan anyway. Not seen him have a bad game yet - and that includes the defeat by Spurs.

Thought Doherty might have been playing up front. Is our strike force up to it? Lupoli sitting on the bench must be puzzled. Still, it''s a good job GR prefered Russell to Fotheringham tonight!

[quote user="Marty"]I''m listening to a rather crackly west midlands radio, sounds like the Wolves keeper just made a "world class" save, bollox! come on city.[/quote] yep from Omzusi. Hoolahan having a good game.

Radio Norfolk non existent tonight in Herts.. http://www.canaries.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetails/0,,10355~1427779,00.html  

[quote user="norfolkbroadslim"] Norwich: Marshall, Stefanovic, Croft, Clingan, Sibierski, Doherty, Hoolahan, Russell (c), Bertrand, Omozusi, Lita. Subs: Nelson, Cureton, Bell, Lupoli, Pattison. [/quote] Had to give up my ticket tonight. Poor old Lupoli! Poor old Bell! (Poor old Doherty?!...)

1-1 - or 1-2 if they get the penalty they''ll be trying so hard for...

[quote user="Old Boy"]"Chadwick from the bench has the ability to turn a game - he should be back with us." Your evidence for that statement is....? When he''s played for us he''s looked off the pace physically and mentally. Another "grass is greener" moment here, I think. [/quote] Evidence: 1. Well the stats say 2 goals in just 18 career appearances. (Not a bad goal he scored v Ipswich was it?) 2. Compare with Pattison (no goals from 38) and even Fotheringham (just 3 from 58). Even Lappin playing out of position at LB for many of his 33 starts has managed 3 goals.  3. He''s doing for MK Dons now what we couldn''t do when we played them As for being off the pace he''s had a lot of injuries - but why dump him  when he appears to have got through them?. Are you suggesting the alternatives who are playing have all been on the pace physically and mentally? Don''t think anyone is saying Chadwick is a world beater but that he''s no worse than what we have and could actually be better - and  having shipped out Martin (for good reason it seemes) we have few players who can come on and run at the opposition. The manager''s decision just seems to have been very, very hasty, especially given our current situation. That''s all.

[quote user="Downs'' left boot" 1. Chadwick from the bench has the ability to turn a game - he should be back with us. 2. I cannot remember a single city player having a future at the club after going out on loan... can anyone help me here?]   1. Agreed (and at present we have no-one quite like that and capable of running through a defence); and 2. I can''t either. Sad. (I love the way this thread won''t die: if Strihavka, Brown, Lappin and Chadwick had been given a better chance to prove their worth, would we really be in any worse postion than we are now?).

                                Marshall Otsemabor   Docherty (if Kennedy injured)  Stefanovic   Bertrand Bell        Russell            Clingan           Pattison                       Lita                   Lupoli   Subs: Nelson, Croft, Sibierski, Hoolahan, Omozusi Lupoli deserves a start. Actually (Tootsie) - I think Regime''s idea of  Croft behind the forwards might work - he can at least run with the ball (and his value on the wing is limited until his crossing improves). So too might Sibierski. But I agree tomorrow night is not the time to experiment - and that does not mean that Fotheringham cannot be dropped once again... Bet Wolves run for an early penalty!

[quote user="RobertMack"] From what everyone has seen, heard, and been told, I wondered what ratings people would honestly give Roeder in specific categories (marks out of 10): Transfers In - 7. No major complaints - Clingan is excellent and even Pattison is causing me to reconsider: the problem is getting the mix right in play. Transfers Out - 7. Again he''s done the right thing mainly. Disappointed with the sidelining of Chadwick & Lappin and maybe Lewis was indeed surplus. Hucks may have just been too expensive. Team selection - 4. His selections continue to baffle me. Style of play - 4. sometimes OK, rarely exciting and too often downright dreadful. (If in doubt keep it on the deck). Media handling - 4. when he does speak he''s not bad - but too often he''s absent. Hucks departure was a missed opportunity for Hucks, club, fans - and GR. Man management - 2. my main area of concern. Hope I''m proved wrong before long. Overall score (out of 60) - 28 Im sure there are other categories but just wanted to see peoples genuine scores based on nearly a years work. Hopefully you can just copy and paste the categories and fill it in.   [/quote]

Heard it on the radio Friday evening driving up to Norfolk. Choked.Great band and a great man. Could have gone solo anytime but he always said they were four and that''s the way it would always be. Think they hold the record for recording with the same line up for over 40 years. Would have loved to have met him.

[quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="Binky"] You won’t hear me calling for Roeder’s dismissal. He’s not perfect but as was (rightly) said when Worthington left, there is no guarantee we’d get any better. Roeder is the most experienced manager we’ve had for many years and I think he just needs time – but also to accept he’s failing. Surely some of his staff must question his decisions? [/quote] your first point is an interesting one.... Clarke and Stephenson.. likely desenters or Yes men???? jas :) [/quote] If "yes men" then I hope for everyone''s sake Roeder can himself examine all his decisions to date carefully and objectively. I cannot see how we can turn this around without some major reshuffling. It''s no crime to admit you''ve got something wrong - and I think that is the first step in order to move forward. And he''s got plenty right I think - including dropping Fotheringham, sticking with Pattison (well for now anyway) - and signing Hoolahan. But heaven help us if he should lose the confidence of the dressing room because if this collection of individuals cannot play as a team for him, they will never play as a team in spite of him.

You won’t hear me calling for Roeder’s dismissal. He’s not perfect but as was (rightly) said when Worthington left, there is no guarantee we’d get any better. Roeder is the most experienced manager we’ve had for many years and I think he just needs time – but also to accept he’s failing. Surely some of his staff must question his decisions? In particular: Loan policy: it’s been taken to excess and is not working. It now risks alienating fans who want to watch “their” team. It can be a good way of putting some icing on the cake – but it shouldn’t be the cake itself. Our current position doesn’t lie. Last year it was Ched Evans who really made the difference. We don’t have such a player amongst the current loanees. Own players: Drury at least seems to have been allowed back in from the cold but Chadwick (yawn) has been debated at length as has Lappin. Neither has been given a fair crack. We lack a midfield that can run with the ball and Chadwick can. Croft can but needs someone to pass to, because he simply cannot cross with accuracy or consistency. Hoolahan should be able to run at defences but is not performing for whatever reason. Chadwick must not be allowed to leave the club if our current league position has not improved significantly by January. Management’s Role: management MUST take some responsibility when players do not fulfil their potential. Shipping them out (Martin & Spillane) may be appropriate if their positions are well covered and coaxing fitness and attitude is going to be too disruptive and time consuming but to me it’s an admission of defeat. Deliberately slagging or killing off players in public (Lappin was persuaded to move to Norwich) is counter-productive in encouraging team morale or others to come here. Hoolahan must not be allowed simply to drop away but must be managed into contributing his all. Management’s role is also to make a collection of individuals play as a team: we do that only occasionally. I sometimes wonder why we have anyone up front at all given the poor service. Fotheringham: why persevere with him when better options (Bell) are on the bench? If I am wrong in thinking Fotheringham is inferior to our other midfielders, I am not wrong in thinking he’s currently off form. Why play Russell up front and out of position to accommodate Fotheringham when Lupoli is on the bench?. Why sign Lupoli if you are going to prefer Russell up front? The manager got it right with Clingan – he must see that – so why can’t he see when he hasn’t got it right? To persevere with a failing player when the team as a whole is performing well may be acceptable – but the team isn’t and the strategy isn’t. Sibierski: I still think he’s a decent player but he’s not an effective target man so what is his role? Worth trying him in a forward  midfield position? Fielding an unchanged side is desirable – but not if it’s unsuccessful. Changes are needed. I hope he is prepared to take soundings from his staff – and take them on board occasionally. I am sure a moderated approach can yet deliver for both manager and the club. If we did lose the manager, just think what little of the club there would be left…

Funny how we all see different games - but I notice it''s often the same names on this board with whom I find myself agreeing. I like Croft because he''s an out and out winger, tries hard (usually) and I like wingers! But beating his man doesn''t come easy and his crossing is, well not always what''s required. Have only seen that wee bit of Bell but he looks a notch above many of the others - with the exception of Clingan perhaps. I may be wrong but I see those two as becoming very important this season: their first touch seems good and Bell, liked Clingan, seemed to want the ball. Croft will be a good reserve and even a first choice in some line ups but I don''t think he has the same level of technique. (But then I liked both Chadwick and Lappin when they played for us!). Either way injuries permitting, both Fotheringham and Pattison will struggle to establish themselves as first choices hereon in.  

[quote user="Munich 93"] [quote user="Binky"]There will be some who say he''s simply found his level. I disagree - and anyway, MK Dons could give us a game I''m sure. We could do with players of Chadwick''s style right now and any way he''s done alright for us when he''s been given the chance. If we were winning every match we play there would be a case for letting him go - but we''re not and he should have been given a decent run to prove himself (better than those who are being picked). Chadwick''s lomgest run out was int he pre-season against Dereham - he didn''t do badly but playing in that team is not a basis on which to be judged. I think the same applies to Lappin, who has been harshly judged by his weak showing at LB rather than his preferred midfield. (Why do we have to play players out of position rather than where they feel most comfortable?)[/quote] I think you`ll find they did give us a game-they bloody beat us!!!! Or doesn`t your memory go back as far as august!!! I totally agree with you on the Chadders issue as well as the non playing of Simon Lappin who Roeder has treated disgracefully! Either of these two would be a better option -upfront even!-than OJ Westrunton or whatever he`s called! [/quote] Indeed it does laddie. (I try hard to achieve the understatement. When lappin went to Motherwell and scored a couple - one against Celtic; some were quick to pont out the lower standard of Scottish football.). Of course there''s no guarantee they''d beat us another time is there? - though if they have Chadwick and we still had no-one to take the man on and the ball through.... Incidentally, if the odds are decent, I might just have a bet on MK Dons getting into the Prem within 5 years.

There will be some who say he''s simply found his level. I disagree - and anyway, MK Dons could give us a game I''m sure. We could do with players of Chadwick''s style right now and any way he''s done alright for us when he''s been given the chance. If we were winning every match we play there would be a case for letting him go - but we''re not and he should have been given a decent run to prove himself (better than those who are being picked). Chadwick''s lomgest run out was int he pre-season against Dereham - he didn''t do badly but playing in that team is not a basis on which to be judged. I think the same applies to Lappin, who has been harshly judged by his weak showing at LB rather than his preferred midfield. (Why do we have to play players out of position rather than where they feel most comfortable?)

[quote user="Yella_Forever"] dont know if this has been mentioned.... but.....   Luke had a stormer on saturday... 9 out of ten and was clapped off by home and away fans in mk''s 4-0 win at millwall... Well done luke, nice to hear two of your crosses caused panic stations.... oh and he played out of position on the left wing! shame nobody at norwich can cross a ball isn''t it?!?   [/quote] See 3rd para of my post: http://new.pinkun.com/cs/forums/1419537/ShowPost.aspx As for those "Chadwick always injured" moaners - he''s not injured at the moment is he? Can''t say that about other squad members either. But my main point is that we have no-one who can actually run at defenders at present and take the ball through. ie no Hucks replacement. We are left with Marshall hoofing the ball trying to find Sibierski''s head, or passing the ball all the way through to the opposition''s penalty area. No matter how good your passing, it is likely to break down at some point. And our passing isn''t always good. Croft can run with it but as we all know his crossing needs more work and too often he looks to cross before he''s got past the defender. Given where we are, letting Chadwick go without at least giving him a chance to prove himself in gettingt he ball into the box, completely baffles me.

Agreed Zipper - but could you explain the reference to Mick Maguire?! (I do remember him playing though).

I know many will disagree with me but for what it’s worth, I thought:   No player played really badly. True, the team as a whole was quite ineffective but that’s not the same thing. I am not a big fan of Fotheringham but I didn’t agree with the Canary Caller who reckoned it all went wrong when/because Fotheringham came on the field. He didn’t add a lot but he’s played worse. Adam Drury (welcome back) had a very good game as did Clingan and also Croft - so far as his inability to cross the ball allows. I also disagreed with Neil Adams: for me David Bell did well and showed real promise and I thought Lita showed some good touches, given the way he was man-marked and lack of support he received. Fotheringham was dropped from the start. I don’t mean this harshly but something many thought would never happen, did - and rightly so.  A difficult decision for GR but well done the manager.  As usual, we lacked penetration. Even the impressive Clingan, who at least tried to pass the ball forward, does not run at defences if he can attempt a pass. Otsemobor took players on occasionally and Croft did OK in the first half but in the second half he made his runs when given the ball in space, rather than going past defenders. For once, Russell went largely unnoticed and Fotheringham’s ‘best’ pass was square left along the entire length of the halfway line when we should have been attacking their area. This failing has to be down to GR - I am sure he thought Hoolahan was going to be the man to do what a certain ex-player used to do - but for whatever reason it hasn’t happened and we have no-one it seems who is capable.   Meanwhile, Luke Chadwick was going through the Millwall defence like a knife through butter with a 0-4 away win at Millwall. From the MK web site: “Debutante Luke Chadwick was providing most of the inspiration, drifting in off the left flank at will and attacking Millwall from wherever he received possession” OK, that’s a different division but why hasn’t he been tried, even as a sub?   Sibierski I thought was our weakest player - but mainly because of the way we played him. Is he tall enough to a target man? Maybe he should be moved back into an attacking midfield role. Our tendency to hoof the ball out (Marshall often had no choice because there was no defender near to throw it to) achieves little but to give the ball to the opposition and makes me question why anyone would pay nearly £30 to watch it!.   As for Marshall’s howler - so what?  Against 10 men he should not even have had to face that situation and we should have been comfortably in the lead anyway.   Wingers are not much use if they cannot cross and although he has improved his game of late, Croft must surely make way for Bell and midfielders generally need to be told that sometimes, they have carry the ball through the defence rather than thread hopeful balls through for forwards to run onto - or defenders to cut out.   If we can do that - and field a proper defensive line up, there’s still ground for optimism!

[quote user="thecanaryfan"][quote user="TheMarshmallowMonkey"][quote user="thecanaryfan"][quote user="Beauseant"] [quote user="super canary"]in the sense that they are all in the same mould. pattison,clingan,russell and fozzy. they are,for me,all combative,get stuck in types of players. we need a central midfielder who can unlock defences,play the killer ball and provide ant,art and curo with the chances. they are all good players and we know they can score but they have no service from the middle. one goal in four games is surely testiment to this. i know its not easy to just go out and find a player like this,and maybe we have one in wes,but i really think that in goal,defense and upfront we have enough,we just lack creation in the middle.[/quote]   I think you''re absolutely right.we desperately need a playmaker,and I''m praying that Bell can do that.I thought Hoolahan would be the answer,but for whatever reason he''s disappointed so far.I also think that we were much more creative when Clingan was fit,because he kept the tempo higher.Maybe while Lita is here Sibi could drop into midfield,which is what I''ve always seen as his best position? [/quote] I hope this happens too. The first port of call however would be to drop that turd Fotheringham. JC back in the team as captain. [/quote] Jamie Cureton as captain?! You''re having a laugh! We need a creative influence in midfield to partner alongside Sammy. Russell and Fozzy are simply not good enough. [/quote] Who else is there to take the captaincy if Fozzy and Russell are not good enough? [/quote] Difficult to say without knowing their characters. Stefanovich may not have the temperament. I would suggest Clingan as a candidate if he has the voice. He''s the nearest we have to a playmaker at the mo. Russell (and Pattison) can do the attacking bit. Hoolahan seems to be a runner rather than a playmaker. Always thought Lappin had the ability to pass from midfield if not the strength. He has his knockers on here of course but I think he was judged too much on his stand in FB role. From having a surfeit of midfielders, how do we get onto this position? Let''s hope Bell is the man.