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[quote user="canarygeorge"][quote user="Snuggles"] I have to remind myself that to most people on this board Kevin Keelan is nothing more than a name, a photo or two, and a few annecdotes from old gits like me. Oh, and clips like this - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AZo9RbyCRh4 Don''t feel too smug, you youngsters. If you''re lucky enough to live that long, you''ll be an old git too one day.   [/quote] Not one of Kevin''s best games. But there were some great players on the pitch in that game. Martin Peters and Graham Paddon to name but two. Great memories,thanks. [/quote] Colin Suggett was all over the pitch. What a player. And what a perm..  

I have to remind myself that to most people on this board Kevin Keelan is nothing more than a name, a photo or two, and a few annecdotes from old gits like me. Oh, and clips like this - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AZo9RbyCRh4 Don''t feel too smug, you youngsters. If you''re lucky enough to live that long, you''ll be an old git too one day.  

It''ll make a change from "Balls on Thursday".  

5-1 to City, Graham Paddon with a 25 yard screamer. Oops, sorry - wrong match.  

I would be amazed if there is anything on line for you. There will be Evening News and Pinkun reports going back to the year dot, but you''ll probably have to dig ''em out and transcribe them!  

[quote user="YankeeCanary"] It''s disappointing to see some on this thread take shots at others because of their ancestry or try to play one-upmanship. With respect to those that try to make one country better than another, such as Shyster is doing on this thread, please understand that any participant who was involved in that terrible struggle knew that the Allies ( all of the Allies ) were dependent upon each other in order to beat off the enemy and gain the ultimate victory. None of those brave souls who gave their lives, whether they were Brits, Americans, Russians, Canadian, Australians, Poles or any other nationality that fought for the cause, deserve those kind of irresponsible comments. I say that whether you are having a discussion in the pub, in your home, or on a message board such as this. We have a responsibility to teach the young the right way, not the wrong way. Yes, the British and the French were not in a state of readiness to offer material support when Poland was first attacked and overrun, but they declared war on a more powerful and better equipped enemy and began the long struggle to mobilise and eventually immerse themselves nonetheless. Yes, the British were not there at the end in Poland to run the Germans out but Britain had carried the weight of the African campaign to divert German strength away from the European fronts. Yes, the Americans did not enter the war until two years later but, without American involvement the outcome of the war would have been a disaster for the Allies. I would encourage you to stop petty squabbling, look at the big picture and remember, when the chips are down, who your friends are. We may need those memories again lest we forget.  [/quote] "i think you''ll find a combined effort of the americans and the russians drove the Nazis out of poland" Lest we forget, this was the rather snide and ignorant comment which provoked the ''historical'' discussion part of this thread. I suspect, unfortunately, that this opinion is held by more Poles than just ''kick it off''. The truth is that if Britain hadn''t stood alone against the Nazi empire for two years, America would never have had an opportunity to do anything in Europe. With no second front, it''s not clear that the USSR would have got anywhere near Poland. There certainly never would have been a European Common Market, no NATO, no Glasnost, and people like ''kick it off'' would likely still be in eastern Europe, toiling under the heel of the Soviets or the Nazis. There would probably be no Israel either, but that''s another story................. Having said all that, if America hadn''t entered the war, D-Day would have been out of the question, and Britain would at best have been forced to come to some sort of ''accommodation'' with Hitler. So a big thankyou, as always, to the US of A. Even though you were two years late ;-) The poimt is, kick it off, next time you list the countries that saved Poland, it would be absurd not to include Britain. Having said all that, I genuinely and sincerely welcome kick it off to England. I hope he lives long and prospers here, and has many children. He has obviously already mastered the language, and once he brushes-up on his history, there should be no stopping him! On the Ball City!  

[quote user="kick it off"] I concur, no-one came out of the war looking rosy, and each country has its own version of what happened, the truth as always, lies somewhere in the middle. [/quote] This is an example of moral relativism, the curse of our time. Churchill, Hitler, Hitler, Churchill, who''s the goodie, who''s the baddie, depends who you listen to really. Six of one, half a dozen of the other, probably. By the way you didn''t answer my question about America''s role in liberating Poland.  

[quote user="Grando"]He''s bought some special new goalie gloves with sticky bits on them that attracts the ball, apparently. Developed from NASA space station technology. My mate''s cousin works in a sports shop in Streatham and he sold him the very pair a couple of weeks ago. Only £14.99 and quite smart looking apparently.[/quote] And his boots are made of a new material called Flubber. Gives him extra spring: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flubber  

"Why oh why do the Barclay sing "and Ipswich," in this song. None of us do so why on earth sing it?" Once upon a time the Barclay used to chant "We hate Nottingham Forest, We hate Liverpool too, We hate Man United but Norwich we love you". Then some wag decided that, since we also hate Ipswich, they should get a mention somewhere. So it became "We hate Nottingham Forest, We hate Liverpool  too AND IPSWICH! etc etc.  Then Nottingham Forest fell from grace, and we didn''t particularly hate them any more, so new words were put to the old tune. But the "AND IPSWICH!" bit was so enjoyable, we kept it in. Here ends the history lesson. Anyhow, some say that Ipswich is neither land nor sea, but some kind of bog, so it is strictly correct to sing those words.  

What''s the betting we draw Poland in the World Cup ?!  

"i think you''ll find a combined effort of the americans and the russians drove the Nazis out of poland"   By the way, remind me - what precisely did the Americans do to drive the Nazis out of Poland? If you''re talking about D-Day and the "second front", don''t forget that Britain also played a very significant part in that.  

[quote user="kick it off"] idiots have always given me a hard time for being a pole - "we saved you in the war" etc - well actually, no, i think you''ll find a combined effort of the americans and the russians drove the Nazis out of poland [/quote] I think what these "idiots" meant was that Britain went to war with Nazi Germany over Poland. We told Hitler that if he didn''t withdraw from Poland we would declare war on him. He didn''t withdraw, so we declared war. That is the most amazing thing that one country can do for another, and a little gratitude on your part wouldn''t go amiss. America didn''t enter the war until two years later, and it sure as hell wasn''t for Poland''s sake. And a week before we declared war on Germany, they had signed a non-aggression pact with the USSR. So the Russians sure as hell didn''t enter the war for Poland''s sake either. And as soon as they got the chance, your beloved Russians subjected a whole generation of Poles to communist rule. For somebody who says they''re Polish, you know amazingly little about your country''s recent history.  

[quote user="kick it off"] England expect to win everything, [/quote] That''s absolute bollocks. England aspire to win every competition they enter, but that''s healthy, and it stems from the fact that 1966 set the benchmark forever. If Poland ever win the World Cup you''ll understand - it takes you onto a different level.  

[quote user="Snuggles"][quote user="Phil Henry"]  thunderbolt against Blackpool in ''72 in a 5-1 win. [/quote] That goal is on the Centenary DVD. Should be on You Tube. [/quote] This is just as good. I think thanks are due to Kevin Piper. http://www.itvlocal.com/anglia/soccernight/?player=ANG_SoccerNight_26&void=122286  

For those who don''t have Canaries World, this is what you''ve been waiting for: http://www.itvlocal.com/anglia/soccernight/?player=ANG_SoccerNight_26&void=122286  

Twit.  

Thanks guys. Must learn how to upload to YouTube!  

Just wondering what Ron Saunders would make of the current shower, and how long it would take him to "sort ''em out".....  

[quote user="King Juan of Spain"][quote user="Snakepit Boy"] [quote user="King Juan of Spain"]They seemed to have curtailed this for a while, but exactly where in the report by Chris Lakey: ''Roeder: City flops should be ashamed'', does Roeder actually say they should be ashamed? Nowhere. Are they trying to turn him into Peter Grant? If I was a player reading that, I''d get that Grant feeling all over again, wouldn''t you? Just what we DON''T need right now. Sort it out Lakey-print some headlines that bear a vague resemblance to the content of the story! [/quote] For goodness sake, keep your knickers on. To start with, reporters don''t write headlines. Someone with even a basic knowledge of newspapers knows that. But on a more substantial note, your point would be more valid if it was right. but what Roeder said in the interview was this: "That is how I feel about football. It is a winning game. The players have to feel like that if they are walking around the town. I would not be proud at the moment. I would be hurting so terribly I would not want to go out." That, to all intents and purposes, is not far away from saying the players "should be ashamed". The headline gives an accurate reflection of the gist of the story - something a headline is supposed to do. I''m with you in your battle against sloppy journalism, and there''s plenty of it around, but this isn''t one of those occaions, I''m afraid. [/quote] Regardless of this, the POINT is that we just got rid of a manager who used the press to mouth off about his players and the last thing players need right now (especially those who take headlines to heart- i.e. most) is Roeder being made to look like Peter Grant. Saying it''s difficult to walk round town when you''re playing badly is not the same as saying they should be ashamed of themsleves. Who, other than the smart-alecs on this board, didn''t think Roeder was having a Grant-style go at the players when they read the headline? [/quote] There''s every difference in the world between saying his players should be ashamed of themselves, and singling out individual players for criticism. Roeder did the former, Grant did the latter. Surely you can get your head round the difference?  

At the moment the only clip of him is playing for West Ham. But there''s some great footage of him on the Centenary DVD, in colour, scoring from 25 yards against Blackpool. Does anyone here have the DVD, and know how to upload the clip onto You Tube?  

[quote user="Phil Henry"]  thunderbolt against Blackpool in ''72 in a 5-1 win. [/quote] That goal is on the Centenary DVD. Should be on You Tube.  

By my reckoning, the first of the "Boys of 72" to go: Keelan, Payne, Black, Stringer, Forbes, Briggs, Livermore, Bone, Cross, Paddon, Foggo.       What a team.  

He''s on the Centenary DVD scoring two against Blackpool in 1972.  First was a penalty (no, I don''t recall him missing one either), and the second a one-two with Kenny Foggo, and then crashed it into the net from 25 yards. Happy memories. I would put the clip onto You Tube but I haven''t got a clue how to do it.  

[quote user="arrdee"][quote user="Snuggles"] I''m not that old, but getting older all the time! My first match was the FA Cup tie against Sheffield Wednesday in 1967. Over 40,000 packed in that day. It was a bit of an eye-opener - there were people who had dyed their hair green and yellow! We lost 3-1. We were 3-0 down, and by the time we scored I had completely lost interest and missed the goal. My dad had to tap me on the shoulder and tell me. Wasn''t it Tommy Bryceland who scored? I remember wondering: if our colours are green and yellow, why do we wear black shorts? 1957 was obviously a terrible season, with the financial problems and finishing bottom of Div 3 (S), but then we were just what we''d always been - a minor club which had never even played in Div 2.  Today''s failure is all the more painful because it''s set against all the good times we''ve had since ''57.  You could say ''57 was the "darkest hour before the dawn". Everything moves in cycles, and I''ve no doubt our time will come again. If we could pull in 40,000 punters in the 1960s, we could at least match that again (if capacity ever allows..). And in the end it''s usually the fan base which determines the long term success of a club. Keep the faith! [/quote] "Snuggles" you lovely old boy I feel you are again a bit off the mark when you say "we where a minor club in 1957 and never played in div 2 I think you are wrong we were promoted in the late 30s but relegated within 2 seasons from div 2 , I think i am right anyhow cheers good buddy [Y] arrdee. [/quote] You''re probably right, arrdee, although I''m sure you''ll agree that a couple of seasons in Div 2 isn''t much of a heritage, so I think my overall point still stands..  I used to have a book which would tell me those sorts of things, but I lost it years ago and so now I have to rely on my ever-failing memory!    

I''m not that old, but getting older all the time! My first match was the FA Cup tie against Sheffield Wednesday in 1967. Over 40,000 packed in that day. It was a bit of an eye-opener - there were people who had dyed their hair green and yellow! We lost 3-1. We were 3-0 down, and by the time we scored I had completely lost interest and missed the goal. My dad had to tap me on the shoulder and tell me. Wasn''t it Tommy Bryceland who scored? I remember wondering: if our colours are green and yellow, why do we wear black shorts? 1957 was obviously a terrible season, with the financial problems and finishing bottom of Div 3 (S), but then we were just what we''d always been - a minor club which had never even played in Div 2.  Today''s failure is all the more painful because it''s set against all the good times we''ve had since ''57.  You could say ''57 was the "darkest hour before the dawn". Everything moves in cycles, and I''ve no doubt our time will come again. If we could pull in 40,000 punters in the 1960s, we could at least match that again (if capacity ever allows..). And in the end it''s usually the fan base which determines the long term success of a club. Keep the faith!