martin oneill

[ZLF 282]

was a great manager and a case of what might have been before (was the start of the season, and windass would have kept us in the promotion race - oneil left and we had 10 years of champs wilderness)

Perhaps it should be michael oneill

[Tetteys Jig 831]

He does have Neil in his name, so there''s a chance

[Evesham Canary 0]

[quote user="Indy_Bones"]Got Leicester promoted by spending money, kept them there by spending more money (left when the money started to disappear)Made Celtic competitive by spending way more money than any other club in the league.Made Villa competitive by spending large amounts of money (then leaving when the money was drying up)Kept a decent Sunderland squad up by spending money and then failed miserably the year after spending even more money.O''Neill will ALWAYS be a manager that needs to spend fairly big to get relatively good success (not that this is such a bad thing as all the top clubs spend like it''s going out of fashion), but we simply don''t have the resources to facilitate this type of spending, nor are we in a position where we can waste millions on bang average players like Stephen Warnock,  N''diaye and Mangane et al...[/quote]

I am not sure he spent that much at Leicester? I think they wasted more when he left & they spent £5M on Akinbiyi!! Same at Celtic where Rangers probably spent more! He left Villa when told the money was going to dry up & even our "messiah" as struggled to do anything with restricted finances.

There are not many managers who are successful without splashing the cash! At Leicester he was probable the most successful manager of a smaller club in the prem era - consistent mid table or better finishes plus a trophy.

I would agree that he had some failings in the transfer market but I think that statisically it has been shown that 50% of all transfers fail.

[Indy_Bones 442]

Certainly in his final 2 seasons at Leicester he was averaging an approx spend of 5-6 million a year on players, a stark contrast to the approx 1.5 million, teams like ourselves and QPR spent in total over the same time period.As for his failings in the transfer market, it''s shocking when you actually look at the numbers how much he totally wasted when in charge of Villa, and in fact a top six space should have been the least they should have expected with the sort of outlay they had (119 MILLION during MON''s tenure), in particular the EIGHTY FIVE MILLION they paid out for players during O''Neills final two years at the club which included 7 million for Stephen Warnock, 8 million for Cuellar (how the times have changed) and let''s not forget the 8 million for Curtis Davies as well, not to mention numerous signings like Richard Dunne, James Collins and Luke Young who were all clearly ''snips'' at 5 million a pop...Even the season before he''d blown 7.5 million on Reo-Coker and 3.5 million for Zat Knight for god''s sake!There''s a good analysis on this side of things here:[url]http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/aston-villa-prophets-and-losses.html[/url]And as per usual, when the money dried up, O''Neill was off like a shot...

[Billabong 0]

Martin O gets the vote over Stuart Little in my book

[Parma Ham's gone mouldy 2,247]

Buonasera Ricardo,

We have a saying in Italy called "non quadra". This means that the square doesn''t complete...

In practice it means that not all the information is present, which in turn means that it is the key information that is missing, typically it is deliberately not disclosed...

...if it were you would understand...

Parma

[The Butler 0]

[quote user="Indy_Bones"]Certainly in his final 2 seasons at Leicester he was averaging an approx spend of 5-6 million a year on players, a stark contrast to the approx 1.5 million, teams like ourselves and QPR spent in total over the same time period.

As for his failings in the transfer market, it''s shocking when you actually look at the numbers how much he totally wasted when in charge of Villa, and in fact a top six space should have been the least they should have expected with the sort of outlay they had (119 MILLION during MON''s tenure), in particular the EIGHTY FIVE MILLION they paid out for players during O''Neills final two years at the club which included 7 million for Stephen Warnock, 8 million for Cuellar (how the times have changed) and let''s not forget the 8 million for Curtis Davies as well, not to mention numerous signings like Richard Dunne, James Collins and Luke Young who were all clearly ''snips'' at 5 million a pop...

Even the season before he''d blown 7.5 million on Reo-Coker and 3.5 million for Zat Knight for god''s sake!

There''s a good analysis on this side of things here:
[url]http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/aston-villa-prophets-and-losses.html[/url]

And as per usual, when the money dried up, O''Neill was off like a shot...

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What people tend to forget is that Oneil had already spent 1mil on Mathew Rush and a past it Fleck back from Chelsea.That was a reasonable sum in those days.

[vos 156]

Definitely not. Has already walked from us twice. Funny chap. If you read Jeremy Goss book he describes how he knew Martin very well as a fellow player. When he returned as a Manager he did not want to know and portrayed himself as a hard man type manager in the style of Brian Clough. Very poor man manager. Avoid him.

[nutty nigel 7,668]

Indeed VOS. Gossy said something very similar at a talk last month. He''s certainly not MON''s biggest fan!!

[Parma Ham's gone mouldy 2,247]

Martin was rarely seen, he liked to keep his distance to create an aura, a mystique and an unpredictability.

He would pop in near the end of training at about ten to twelve, have a chat with Steve, then disappear.

Parma