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I read the ''I-Am-An-Idiot-Mark-Lozza'' prediction today for the Newcastle game

As usual it is not based on performance, but on some vague feeling of ''that Norwich lot are not big enough to survive'' blah-di-blah.

But there was one comment he made which struck a cord.

He said the difference between Paul Lambert and Chris Hughton is that the former controlled all proceedings and the latter is just a coach.

I hate to agree with a man I once saw (and have never liked) at a friend''s wedding in Southport 25 years ago, but I think he may have a point.

This season has been awful in part (Fulham) and promising in others (Spurs, QPR and the first half against Wham), but I just have never felt the same degree of conviction I had - despite all the evidence to suggest we could well be fine - as I did last year.

It may be I am caught up in the media''s portrayal of PL versus CH, but I definitiely have a sense of ''where has Nelson (Admiral, not Michael) gone''?

I guess where I am gravitating towards is that a club like ours, with good, but not great players needs more than an astute people''s coach. It needs a rocket, a Messiah...someone who might keep spouting some shit about every player being ''brilliant, they''ve just been brilliant for me'', but nonetheless keeps owners, players and supporters believing anything is possible.

I am not for a moment saying Chris Hughton is not that man and if he is not, then he should go back to Newcastle.

But....I don''t have the same sense of conviction - derived in part from the performances I''ve seen - that I did when Paul Lambert gave his first press conference.

It may be that a softer, more cajoling style of approach will serve us well with Hughton, but in the meantime, I miss the ''we''re all in this together and anyone who is not in my team and supports my team is a ''to**er''''.

And it leave me emotionally rather than rationally a tad nervous

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So, you started the post by having a little dig at Lawrenson and saying he was biased for whatever reasons.

But then you come to essentially the same conclusion as him.

So, do you think his prediction might actually be just that (a prediction of a pundit who thinks things through in much the same way as you have done in the latter part of your post), or do you think you''re an idiot? Because your post would suggest that one of those two things must be true.

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(The ''idiot'' question being a reference to your initial statement calling Lawrenson likewise!)

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You can compare managers as much as you like,  Wensum,  but essentially you appear reluctant to accept the reality of the situation. Lambert as we know - great manager -  but you need to buy in or at least accept Hughton''s credentials as a manager and also accept that he could do a better job than Lambert in developing our status in the premiership.   

We know the reality. We know it will be tough.  But we also know we have a manager who is capable of  developing the club perhaps to a status similar to an Everton or Fulham - knocking on the door of the top 8.   Lambert will always do well given the resources available.    Give him a top club and he will probably do well.     Hughton will always do well because he is a superb coach and I am confident we are going to see better team performances even than last season.    Even this season, which has only just started, our possession % in a match has improved from last season.   We will play better football, we also have better players than last season.

Its time to stop harking back to the Lambert era and get stuck in to this one.   Its great to remember the Lambert era - we''ll never forget it as fans -

however - we''ve already seen an improvement in the team - qpr and spurs matches were signs of things to come - even the west ham match had positives, despite the scrappiness of some of the play from both teams.   

Hughton is the right man, Lambert is yesterday''s man.

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Had I not been more interested in picking up on the Lawrenson/pundit point, I''d have probably said something pretty similar to that LDC. Each manager has a different style, and yes Lambert''s worked very well for us. But that doesn''t mean that Hughton''s is any less valid.

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I think Wensum you are confusing tails and dogs

 

I knkw who did (and still do) the barking at Carrow Road and I know who did the wagging

 

If you bothere to pay heed or even go looking for what the ''old melted candle'' spews out then it says much

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The fact is (and yes it is a fact and not just an opinion) that both Lawro and Ferry have got it exacrtly back to front.  This was confirmed by Russell Martin on McV&B last night but is true in so many areas.

 

Lambert is anything but a manager concerned with everything the Club.  He is the polar opposite.   Martin confirmed that he is an inspirational man manager but was seldom seen in the coaching.  Also, Lambert had no interest in the reserves, scouting and especially no interest in the youth setup.  All these have revived in Hughton''s reign because he is fully behind them.   Talk to anyone at the academy and it does not take long before you realise what a breath of fresh air Hughton has been for them.  Some players allowed to leave by Lambert are being invited back and there is a constant stream of triallists at Colney.

 

Lambert is a great manager and did a great job for us but only in relation to the first team.  That was what we needed and the other things could follow.   Lambert''s singlemindedness was what we needed for back to back promotions.

 

It does not build a great club though and that is why I''m quite content that he has gone and the much more holistic Hughton has taken over.

I would have thought that Lawro was better informed and my dimished regard for him has reduced further 

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It really is time to forget about PL and move an, embrace CH and look to the future. The divorce is over and he is now settled at his new home. Talking of divorce, my Wife was watching the West Ham game with me, having just caught the second half of the Spurs game being replayed and commented that she thought we were playing better football than last season....I''d take her opinion over any tv pundit anyday...OTBC  

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[quote user="CambridgeCanary"]

The fact is (and yes it is a fact and not just an opinion) that both Lawro and Ferry have got it exacrtly back to front.  This was confirmed by Russell Martin on McV&B last night but is true in so many areas.

 

Lambert is anything but a manager concerned with everything the Club.  He is the polar opposite.   Martin confirmed that he is an inspirational man manager but was seldom seen in the coaching.  Also, Lambert had no interest in the reserves, scouting and especially no interest in the youth setup.  All these have revived in Hughton''s reign because he is fully behind them.   Talk to anyone at the academy and it does not take long before you realise what a breath of fresh air Hughton has been for them.  Some players allowed to leave by Lambert are being invited back and there is a constant stream of triallists at Colney.

 

Lambert is a great manager and did a great job for us but only in relation to the first team.  That was what we needed and the other things could follow.   Lambert''s singlemindedness was what we needed for back to back promotions.

 

It does not build a great club though and that is why I''m quite content that he has gone and the much more holistic Hughton has taken over.

I would have thought that Lawro was better informed and my dimished regard for him has reduced further 

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Excellent post. It confirms what I have heard, and what I hope for from Hughton; but does not deny what we all know; that Lambert was exactly what we needed for as long as we had him.

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[quote user="Aggy"]So, you started the post by having a little dig at Lawrenson and saying he was biased for whatever reasons. But then you come to essentially the same conclusion as him. So, do you think his prediction might actually be just that (a prediction of a pundit who thinks things through in much the same way as you have done in the latter part of your post), or do you think you''re an idiot? Because your post would suggest that one of those two things must be true.[/quote]

You''re right. I did start by saying I didn''t like him much and that he seems to make half-informed judgements. I then went on to say that there was something in what he said that struck a cord. That doesn''t mean, as a result, I think Lawrenson is a good pundit, but that a poor pundit made a comment that in some senses I understand and partly agree with.

My post was more about a ''feeling'' and I acknowledged in my original post that this might be due to an overall sentiment rather than hard evidence.

My post was not really about ''I wish Lambert hadn''t left'' (we''ve all had enough of that), but more to do, perhaps, with the fact that a softer (on the surface) approach takes a bit of getting used to and leaves me with a little less conviction about the months ahead.

That all said, I like what I see of Hughton overall and I think we''ve played some good stuff since Fulham. If we can get the goals flowing again I see no reason to suggest we won''t be fine.

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I got roundly chastised for expressing a feeling that the performances this season lacked the bite and adventure of last season''s early games. I said that I felt that Hughton''s approach and teams left me feeling lacking in confidence in a way that Lambert''s teams never did. People told me to stop whinging about Lambert.

I wasn''t and I''m not. Lambert''s gone and that''s that.

But Hughton''s teams and approach have left me feeling totally unconvinced. Relative to no previous manager.

I want Hughton to go because I see no evidence that the players who achieved a mid table position last year are being led astray. I never thought he way right and I now see the evidence.

Who should be the next manager? I don''t know. But it has to be someone who has the ability to give belief and passion to the players we have.

It is not Hughton.

Let''s move on swiftly before the team we had last year that played so well as a team becomes a dishevelled embarrassement

Hughton must go now. I never thought he should have come\

 

 

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