Hoolahan not in Republic of Ireland Squad

[Yellow Messiah 0]

Unbelieveable! How can the likes of Whelen and Fahey be ahead of Wes.

Squad in full: Given, Westwood, Forde, Dunne, O''Shea, St.Ledger, O''Dea, Ward, Kelly, Foley, Whelan, Gibson, Andrews, Fahey, Duff, McGeady, Hunt, McClean, Keane, Doyle, Cox, Long, Walters.

Standby list: Randolph, McShane, Green, Coleman, Keogh

[Jacko 0]

Wes hasn''t started that many games which may have counted against him. Amazing that Seamus Coleman is only on standby. Excellent right winger or right back. What more do you want in a tournament situation.

[Cantiaci Canary 610]

I feel sorry for him personally as he is miles better than most of the players on that list but selfishly (and I think this even more with Holt) it will help Norwich City to have him properly rested mentally and physically over the summer months.

[Shyster 0]

I''d hazard a guess that Hoolahan is difficult to accommodate in a typical RoI formation.

[Mister Chops 7]

He gives the ball away too much to play international football.

[Gingerpele 0]

He doesn''t give the ball away much at all, I hope your just being sarcastic Chops, and referring back to the people who seem to think he gives the ball away all the time.

What about Pilks?

They must have at least considered him.

[Shyster 0]

[quote user="Gingerpele"]He doesn''t give the ball away much at all, I hope your just being sarcastic Chops, and referring back to the people who seem to think he gives the ball away all the time.

What about Pilks?

They must have at least considered him.[/quote]

I''m failing to see what Pilkington has to with Hoolahan not being selected for the Irish squad.

[Shyster 0]

[quote user="Shyster"][quote user="Gingerpele"]He doesn''t give the ball away much at all, I hope your just being sarcastic Chops, and referring back to the people who seem to think he gives the ball away all the time.

What about Pilks?

They must have at least considered him.[/quote]

I''m failing to see what Pilkington has to with Hoolahan not being selected for the Irish squad.[/quote]

I''m failing to see what Pilkington has to do with Hoolahan not being selected for the Irish squad.

Apologies for the grammatical error there.

[Gingerpele 0]

He is ''Irish'' (Played for under 21s, English but chosen to play for Ireland)...

And done probably better than Hoolahan overall this season.

[Phillip J Fry 0]

Trapattoni plays a defensive 4-4-2. Hoolahan is not going to play center midfield in a defensive 4-4-2 especially when Trapattoni clearly shows a preference for more defensively responsible midfielders. The only other option Hoolahan has is to move out wide, and even then Trapattoni would rather a more traditional wide midfielder.Hoolahan has the ability to play for Ireland, in my opinion, but tactically doesn''t fit into a system that has brought relative success to Ireland. 

[Phillip J Fry 0]

[quote user="Gingerpele"]He is ''Irish'' (Played for under 21s, English but chosen to play for Ireland)...

And done probably better than Hoolahan overall this season.[/quote]Pilkington doesn''t have an international allegiance yet, he is still classed as English despite his U-21 call up and can represent either country at this moment in time. Pilkington, as far as I know, has never expressed a preference for his international team.  

[CDMullins 498]

I''d be nice if we could just accept he''s not good enough enough for international football.

[Henry 0]

Hmmm not good enough?

Seen some of those names there?

Just think its crazy not taking a player who can turn things around in an instant. May not fit into the well tried Trap system ... but does that system work all the time?

[Herman 11,136]

[quote user="CDMullins"]I''d be nice if we could just accept he''s not good enough enough for international football.

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Read Gareth and Shysters replies[Y]

[CDMullins 498]

[quote user="Herman "]

[quote user="CDMullins"]I''d be nice if we could just accept he''s not good enough enough for international football.[/quote]

Read Gareth and Shysters replies[Y]

[/quote]If he was good enough, they''d find a way - simpleIf Messi was Irish would he be going or watching it from home?

[grantroederdisaster 0]

Hoolahan is better than most players on that list but you have to alter your team to accomodate him which is the only thing that goes against him!

 

That said I haven''t heard of many of the RoI''S team!

[Herman 11,136]

[quote user="CDMullins"][quote user="Herman "]

[quote user="CDMullins"]I''d be nice if we could just accept he''s not good enough enough for international football.

[/quote]

Read Gareth and Shysters replies[Y]

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If he was good enough, they''d find a way - simple

If Messi was Irish would he be going or watching it from home?
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[:D]Watching it at home knowing Trappatoni.

[Gingerpele 0]

So CDMullins, there is no in-between good enough to build the team around him and not good enough?

He''s more than good enough to play for Ireland, if you go on quality. But he''s not good enough for Ireland to want to build there team around him, the way to get that quality out. Trappatoni could take him as a winger, but he wouldn''t be half as effective, or he could play him in CM and have a weaker midfielder to how he''d like it.

[Canary_on_the Trent 0]

Trappatoni two weeks ago said this:

"I have spoken to Marco about him, he has been fantastic. We have already James McCarthy and McClean. This is not the campaign for too many young players, but Hoolahan is not young, he is (nearly) 30.

We think about him. He played well in the last game I saw. He played in a specialist position behind the strikers.

I have thought about him and we will consider this option. We have a system and maybe it''s too late to change that system.

I don''t forget Hoolahan and maybe he will be there for the next campaign for the World Cup."

I gather he said something very similar today.

[CDMullins 498]

[quote user="Gingerpele"]So CDMullins, there is no in-between good enough to build the team around him and not good enough?

He''s more than good enough to play for Ireland, if you go on quality. But he''s not good enough for Ireland to want to build there team around him, the way to get that quality out. Trappatoni could take him as a winger, but he wouldn''t be half as effective, or he could play him in CM and have a weaker midfielder to how he''d like it.[/quote]Im not going to continually bleat on about Wes, the fact is if Trappatoni thought he had anything to offer, anything at all, even last 15 minutes of a game he would be going.He doesnt,

[Mister Chops 7]

But what has Trapattoni ever achieved as a manager?  I think the view from behind our yellow and green specs should be the defining factor on this.  Hoolahan must go!

[Gingerpele 0]

And that quote just provided, completely backs you up doesn''t it...

[Gingerpele 0]

''he has been fantastic''

So Trap must also be a Norwich fan if he thinks that then?

Really annoying people seem to think others are incapable of looking at players without being completely bias...

[CDMullins 498]

Yeah, the blokes clueless,

Managerial honours

Juventus

• Italian League (6): 1976–77, 1977–78, 1980–81, 1981–82, 1983–84, 1985–86
• Italian Cup (2): 1978–79, 1982–83
• European Cup (1): 1984–85
• UEFA Cup Winners'' Cup (1): 1984
• UEFA Cup (2): 1977, 1993
• European Super Cup (1): 1984
• Intercontinental Cup (1): 1985

Internazionale

• Italian League (1): 1988–89
• Supercoppa Italiana: 1989
• UEFA Cup (1): 1991

Bayern Munich

• German League (1): 1996–97
• German Cup (1): 1997–98
• German League Cup (1): 1996–97

Benfica

• Portuguese League (1): 2004–05

Red Bull Salzburg

• Austrian League (1): 2006–07

Ireland

• Nations Cup (1): 2011

[CDMullins 498]

[quote user="Gingerpele"]And that quote just provided, completely backs you up doesn''t it...[/quote]What do you really expect him him to say??

Sky Reporter - So what about Wes Hoolahan at Norwich?Trap - No the boys shit, cant kick with his right, wont kick with his right, too small, too ligth weight, not fast enough and gives the ball away far too much.

[Gingerpele 0]

Oh dear...

[Monty13 2,736]

[quote user="Mister Chops"]He gives the ball away too much to play international football.[/quote]

Chops, after a quick google the only stats I could find on Hoolahan''s whole season passing has his pass success rate as 86% this season, which is pretty good for an attacking midfielder in the prem.

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/19541

At the end of the day, while most of us think he is good enough, the reason he isn''t in the team is the manager hasn''t picked him. Now that may be because he doesn''t think he is good enough, or that he wont fit into his desired formations etc. I feel sorry for him and he has done well this season, so you would think he deserves a chance, but its the managers call and its his neck on the line and he doesn''t think he needs him. Without knowing the ins and outs of his plans for the Euros until we see how they perform who knows whether he is right to overlook him or not.

Very much why I think we will also not see Holt at the Euros even if we all think we should go and there is growing call in the media for him to go. I think Hodgeson will play it safe, his appointment has not been popular and he wont want people blaming poor results on a (perceived) poor squad selection. I hope I''m wrong, but I can''t see him taking the risk. Players unfortunately don''t always get picked for their country just because they deserve it.

[Phillip J Fry 0]

Hoolahan is not going to the euros. Trapattoni has developed a system at Ireland that Hoolahan just won''t fit into. Hoolahan''s talented, but talented enough to risk your first international competition in ages over? No. Trapattoni has decided not to take the risk, he wants his players to stick to the system they know, the one he feels will bring success. Trapattoni''s system is based around defensive solidarity, not scintillating attacking football. Wes, for all his strengths, is not defensively good enough to enter the sides current system. What kind of message does it send to the other Irish players that Trapattoni has drilled defensively only for him to include Hoolahan and say this guy doesn''t have to defend in order to get the best out of him? Trappattoni''s made his decision,for better or worse, no point bi**ing about it now.  

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[quote user="CDMullins"][quote user="Gingerpele"]And that quote just provided, completely backs you up doesn''t it...[/quote]What do you really expect him him to say??

Sky Reporter - So what about Wes Hoolahan at Norwich?Trap - No the boys shit, cant kick with his right, wont kick with his right, too small, too ligth weight, not fast enough and gives the ball away far too much. [/quote]Great goal and assist away against Arsenal at the weekend wasn''t it though? You know, the same Arsenal team that''s full of international players, most of whom are in far better squads than ROI.If you can''t see that this has far more to do with the system Trappatoni has developed than lack of talent, then you are beyond hope really. Seriously, look at the attacking players in the squad and tell me Wesley does not offer more than the majority of them. Still, I seem to recall you saying that Wes wouldn''t cut it at Championship level, let alone Premiership level. You were so wrong about him then, that I find it vaguely amusing you are still bothering to stick your neck out with regards to this one.I would be very surprised if Wes did not get a call up after the Euros, once Trappatoni (or whoever is in charge after the Euros) decides to develop the squad outside of a tournament environment.

[CDMullins 498]

Oh dear,

 

Great goal against Arsenal? Come on, your on a wind up arnt you?

 

Ok so Ireland are playing 4-4-2, now I dont think Trappatoni is naive enough to think is 4-4-2 is going to work all the time, he must have a Plan B, and Wes isnt involved in that either!

 

Trap as no interest in Wes, he just doesnt rate him, doesnt matter what tactics he wants to play, he doesnt rate him! He hasnt even been to see him play, he''s sent Marco! Game changing players (as Wes is suppose to be) are hard to come by, you''d think any side would do whatever they could to accomodate one!

 

You really think he has ''cut it'' at this level?  He has been no better than average, you think 4 goals is a good enough return from this kind of player?

 

You say you''d be suprised if Wes didnt get a call up after Trap''s gone, well way wasnt he a international regular pre-Trap? 

 

For me he as quickly been displaced by Howson, I think Wes will be lucky to get 15 games next year. Wouldnt be suprised if he dropped into the Championship to someone like Leicester.

 

I know he''s a City player, but I dont get why its so hard, just to admit he''s not quite good enough for International football!