NCFC Shareholders - A Warning

[YankeeCanary 0]

I think Mello invented that old saying, "That just about takes the biscuit!"

[lappinitup 629]

Now you''ll get a biccy piccy Yankee![;)]

[The Butler 0]

Blah "It''s nobodys business but hers"

It''s a public company,seemingly funded by a celebrity who makes a great deal in the media about her investment.

Sorry but she makes it everyones business.

Therefoe it would be nice to get the truth about how much, as I say 7 -12 I don''t care.

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[quote]It''s a public company,seemingly funded by a celebrity who makes a great deal in the media about her investment.[/quote]Does she ?  Or does the media make a big deal about it ?  Just a thought...

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[quote user="jbghost"]You are forgetting that Delia has paid directly for players herself Cedric Anselin and Robinson are 2 that spring to mind. She also paid for the refurbishment and extension of the Barclay kitchen and hospitality areas a few years back which was reported to be around a million quid. So its easy to see where the £11 million comes from when you add this to your figures[/quote]

She loans NCFC Plc the money and the costs are put through NCFC''s Accounts.

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[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="jbghost"]You are forgetting that Delia has paid directly for players herself Cedric Anselin and Robinson are 2 that spring to mind. She also paid for the refurbishment and extension of the Barclay kitchen and hospitality areas a few years back which was reported to be around a million quid. So its easy to see where the £11 million comes from when you add this to your figures[/quote]

Oh, and Yellows was paid for directly by Deals and Mickey Wynn too.  There''s a few extra quid there.
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That too would have been loaned to the club and put through the NCFC Plc. Accounts.

Keep trying! Lol!

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TFAA - what do you make of Beausants'' assertion that the financial accounts are "only a snapshot in time" ?  I think it''s a fair point - what do you think ?

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[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="The Butler"]

If the club just released exact figures for each board member then all the If''s and But''s could be put to bed and we ,the fans, would know the truth.

As my old pal Nutty would say the truth means a lot.

Don''t want to get at anyone DS or......just would like to know how the club stood and how it affects the future.

We seem to be shrouded by so much spin and hype.

Not as important as three points an Saturday.

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But the club can''t issue exact figures, because some of the money will have come out of the maj shareholders'' own pockets, stuff like the catering heads'' wages doesn''t go through the club.  And without going through old bank statements, I doubt D & M would have an exact figure either.  But does it actually matter whether it''s 8 or 11 ?  Would it change our current league position ?
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The Catering costs are in NCFC Plc. Accounts.

As for the person who transferred to Delia''s personal staff, who knows what that person is doing now. May be nothing to do with NCFC''s catering operations.

Have a nice day!

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[quote user="GazzaTCC"]

TFAA? it was my pre 2002 shares purchases figure that was wrong, it should read as follows:-

GW/RC      59,343

Pre 2002     136,017

2002-08      131,949

Total           327,309

Remember, my exercise was a stab at reaching the £11M figure quoted in the radio interview, whereas you were seeking to determine just the new capital. Also, the page three of the last accounts stated they had undertaken to loan £3M in the forthcoming season, whereas you''ve taken actually committed extra loans at the date of the accounts, a £1.25M difference. 

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Not having a go just looking to see if you agreed with the figures I posted.

As for the £3m loan thats an interesting point because the link to the website (i think the link is on an earlier page of this thread)said they had made a £2m commitment for this season or something like that (the loan balance as at 31/5/08 + £1.75m). So who is going to pick up the balance re the last Annual Report?  May not be Delia and MWJ. hence its not included.

 

 

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[quote user="blahblahblah"]I''ll go further than nigel, why not, I usually do. Mr Spine Road and friends are producing "drip-drip" defamation of public figure, based upon implied facts, guesswork and incomplete information.  It''s easy to cast aspersions at public figures, especially from behind an assumed name.  The Guild of Fag Packet Accountants (Thanks Shack) seem to have been doing this kind of thing for 2 years or so now, and you have to wonder at their motives for doing so.  Nobody would care about any of the minutiae they pore over with forensic detail if one key decision had been made (with hindsight) correctly, the decision of who replaced Worthington.  If you want to throw brick-bats from behind walls, do it on the basis of the key mistake - anything else is just arguing over the tip at the restaurant.
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Have you thought of migrating to North Korea?

You really do have a problem with Freedom of Speech.

Have a nice day!

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[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote]I see no defamation in this thread.[/quote]

Of course, nobody actually said she was lying, but the implication was definitely there.

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The only implication is being made by you. 

Watch out for the Stasi..........

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[quote user="blahblahblah"]TFAA - what do you make of Beausants'' assertion that the financial accounts are "only a snapshot in time" ?  I think it''s a fair point - what do you think ?
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The Balance Sheet relates to the balances on a specific date. The Profit & Loss Account relates to the activity during a period of time, usually a year.

However this thread has developed into how much money Delia & MWJ have put into the club. 

 

Have a nice day!

[Mello Yello 2,298]

[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="Mello Yello"]

I''m still waiting for lots of lovely investment that the major-shareholder said/slurred there will be......And until we don''t get it, I''m convinced she''s telling the truth....[:|]

There you are, she''s not a teller of porky pies - because we can still actually get lots of lovely investment.....whether it be in my lifetime or my young kids lifetime......''sorted''...[H]

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Excellent, a prime mover and shaker in the " some fans" part of the "break-down in communications between club and some fans".  When did it go sour for you Mello ?  At what point did the board lose your trust ?
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When I bought a brick with my name on - and it wasn''t a full and actually ''genuine'' - real brick.....

 

[Mello Yello 2,298]

[quote user="T"]Sounds as if a couple of million is just small change to MY - wonder when he is going to take over?[/quote]

I contribute a substantial amount of my disposable income to NCFC (of which I suspect you''re more than just a supporter of) so I feel I have a right to voice my opinion.....regarding all matters of mattery things at NCFC.

How much do you lump in then? Or, how much of my disposable income spent on NCFC - goes into your salary?.....[:|]

 

[Mello Yello 2,298]

[quote user="YankeeCanary"]I think Mello invented that old saying, "That just about takes the biscuit!"[/quote]

Have a hob....nob.

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Have you thought of migrating to North Korea?

You really do have a problem with Freedom of Speech.

Have a nice day!

[/quote]Have you thought of getting a new one-liner ?As I''ve said the last 24 times, No problem with free speech at all - you fire implications at public figures (people who can''t speak for themselves in this forum) from behind an anonymous name, and I call that cowardice.  What would you call it ?  I''m also a coward - blahblahblah isn''t my real name...

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The only implication is being made by you. 

Watch out for the Stasi..........

[/quote]To keep the doctor away, Delia says she has eaten 11 apples.  Little Johnny in the playground says she has only eaten 8 apples.  What is little Johnny suggesting ?Oh, and what''s a Stasi - sorry old chap, I''m not old enough to remember them.

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[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote]

The only implication is being made by you. 

Watch out for the Stasi..........

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To keep the doctor away, Delia says she has eaten 11 apples.  Little Johnny in the playground says she has only eaten 8 apples.  What is little Johnny suggesting ?

Oh, and what''s a Stasi - sorry old chap, I''m not old enough to remember them.
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Simple answer add up all the apple cores!

That''s all anyone is asking.

[Mello Yello 2,298]

[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote]

Have you thought of migrating to North Korea?

You really do have a problem with Freedom of Speech.

Have a nice day!

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Have you thought of getting a new one-liner ?

As I''ve said the last 24 times, No problem with free speech at all - you fire implications at public figures (people who can''t speak for themselves in this forum) from behind an anonymous name, and I call that cowardice.  What would you call it ?  I''m also a coward - blahblahblah isn''t my real name...
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Bleurgh! You''re a cowhand![:O] "Yee Ha! ride ''em cowboy!"

Have you seen Brokeback Mountain? Can you make a ''lass'' - whoo? Do you have a six-shooter, slug whisky - an'' eat stew an'' beans?

[8]"Bleurgh, rode a Blazin'' Saddle!"[8]....

[Mello Yello 2,298]

[quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="blahblahblah"][quote]

Have you thought of migrating to North Korea?

You really do have a problem with Freedom of Speech.

Have a nice day!

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Have you thought of getting a new one-liner ?

As I''ve said the last 24 times, No problem with free speech at all - you fire implications at public figures (people who can''t speak for themselves in this forum) from behind an anonymous name, and I call that cowardice.  What would you call it ?  I''m also a coward - blahblahblah isn''t my real name...
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Bleurgh! You''re a cowhand![:O] "Yee Ha! ride ''em cowboy!"

Have you seen Brokeback Mountain? Can you make a ''lass'' - whoo? Do you have a six-shooter, slug whisky - an'' eat stew an'' beans?

[8]"Bleurgh, rode a Blazin'' Saddle!"[8]....

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Sorry.....My bloody wrong specs again.........[8-|]

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Damn but you''re a handsome chap Mello.  I have seen brokeback mountain by the way - is that your line to all the girls ? [;)]

[Mello Yello 2,298]

[quote user="blahblahblah"]Damn but you''re a handsome chap Mello.  I have seen brokeback mountain by the way - is that your line to all the girls ? [;)]
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Is your saddle still blazin'' after watchin'' Brokeback?....

In my time, I''ve broke in a few fillies......

[nutty nigel 7,555]

[quote user="The Butler"]

That''s a different spin again. You can believe something when you say it that can be proved wrong later.Does not make it a lie.

Try the flat earth society. They believed (some still do).

So in your terms if she finds out it was only 7mil then what she said was not a lie when she said it just a generalisation of obscured facts. If it is 11mil then goody she ws right and others (whoever they are) will be proved wrong in their assumptions. No lies either side yet.

Didn''t say auntie and Mummy was an example as well you know.

I don''t know if Bob did leave with a profit, if so it was up to him and the club. He never said he would or did do it for nothing.

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Strewth Butler me ol’ cobber how was my post flamin’ spin..... none of us know how many million that sheila has put in….all we know is that she’s a fair dinkum City fan and while it aint London to a brick that she put in 11m, I don’t see any reason to doubt her...... stone the flamin'' crows mate.... them flamin'' mongrels in the flat earth society got a few kangaroo''s loose in the top paddock... even blind freddie could see that the world is round…. but it’s a bull dust comparison to make ''cause they were never told it was round from the horses mouth....now knock me flamin’ sideways Butler… I have said until I’m blue in the face that if it’s not approaching 11m or whatever the Sheila said then I will be in front of that bludger Smudger in the race to call her a liar.....that flamin’ galah Babes said auntie... probably as an example too... so yous two should get together over a few tinnies and get yourselves deadest.....I reckon Bob’s yer uncle said a lot of things but I never remember the old drongo telling’ us the earth was flat before he went off like a bucket of prawns in the hot sun... [:)][:O][:P][;)][<:o)][B][pi][ap][ip][H]

 

[nutty nigel 7,555]

Too many flamin'' tinnies.. yous two should get yerselves deadset [B][B][B][B][B][;)]

 

[nutty nigel 7,555]

[quote user="The Butler"]

Himler wa a master at propaganda, would you have not questioned some of his statements?

No I am not putting them in his bracket just saying that just because DS/MWJ Doncaster etc say something does not automatically make it the exact truth or a deliberate lie. INTERPRETATION of the same facts from different directions and agendas.

The club stated they wanted transparency didn''t they, so why not relate that to financial matters as well. That''s what published accounts are for.

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[8]Doomy, has only got one ball,
The other is in St. Andrews Hall,
Himmler has something simmler,
But poor old Wynn Jones has no stones at all.
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Takes balls to stand in front of the Barclay with a mic tho[:''(]

Even after a couple of sherries[D][D]

Maybe she''s got  their share[:O]

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="The Butler"]

Himler wa a master at propaganda, would you have not questioned some of his statements?

No I am not putting them in his bracket just saying that just because DS/MWJ Doncaster etc say something does not automatically make it the exact truth or a deliberate lie. INTERPRETATION of the same facts from different directions and agendas.

The club stated they wanted transparency didn''t they, so why not relate that to financial matters as well. That''s what published accounts are for.

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[8]Doomy, has only got one ball,
The other is in St. Andrews Hall,
Himmler has something simmler,
But poor old Wynn Jones has no stones at all.
[:O]

Takes balls to stand in front of the Barclay with a mic tho[:''(]

Even after a couple of sherries[D][D]

Maybe she''s got  their share[:O]

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See. After a couple of beers you''re much less earnest............and considerably briefer!

A better combination, methinks.

OTBC

 

[Mello Yello 2,298]

[quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="The Butler"]

Himler wa a master at propaganda, would you have not questioned some of his statements?

No I am not putting them in his bracket just saying that just because DS/MWJ Doncaster etc say something does not automatically make it the exact truth or a deliberate lie. INTERPRETATION of the same facts from different directions and agendas.

The club stated they wanted transparency didn''t they, so why not relate that to financial matters as well. That''s what published accounts are for.

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[8]Doomy, has only got one ball,
The other is in St. Andrews Hall,
Himmler has something simmler,
But poor old Wynn Jones has no stones at all.
[:O]

Takes balls to stand in front of the Barclay with a mic tho[:''(]

Even after a couple of sherries[D][D]

Maybe she''s got  their share[:O]

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See. After a couple of beers you''re much less earnest............and considerably briefer!

A better combination, methinks.

OTBC

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I could''t actually tell the difference whether he was sober or squiffy - he''s still strange....[:|]

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[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote]

Have you thought of migrating to North Korea?

You really do have a problem with Freedom of Speech.

Have a nice day!

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Have you thought of getting a new one-liner ?

As I''ve said the last 24 times, No problem with free speech at all - you fire implications at public figures (people who can''t speak for themselves in this forum) from behind an anonymous name, and I call that cowardice.  What would you call it ?  I''m also a coward - blahblahblah isn''t my real name...
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First you really do seem to have a problem with people making any posts that you dont agree with. Hence my comments about freedom of speech.  May be the North Korean environment would suit you.

I am not making any implications, its the Wynnies such as yourself that are getting their nickers in a twist. As I am merely collating information that is already in the public domain I have nothing to answer to you or anybody else for.

If Delia or her husband wanted to post on this bb., what is stopping them?

 

 

 

 

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[quote]If Delia or her husband wanted to post on this bb., what is stopping them?[/quote]If they wanted to post anonymously - nothing.  I am merely pointing out that posting 11 pages of rough calculations based on some facts, and some guesswork, that Delia had invested less than she said she had is, to all intents and purposes, the same as calling her a liar.  I have no problem with you saying that, you seem to have a problem with me saying that you have called her a liar, and that you have hidden behind a pseudonym to do so.  Have you thought of emigrating, etc, etc... Would you be so brave in a public arena ?  Surely Delia being caught out like this would be a scandal after all ?  Up there with porn-gate surely ?  Will you be contacting the papers with your scoop ?  If you hope to do anything other than have an argument with fellow avatars, then you would have to be.

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You can get your North Korean passport via:

Korea (People''s Democratic) Embassy in  Beijing, China   Ritan Bei Lu, Jianguomenwai, 100600 6532-1186  6532-1154 (Protocal) Fax: 6532 4862

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Enjoy!