singing canary 0 Posted January 1, 2009 i think alot of norwich city football club for some years now.im no manager nor do i pretent to be,roeder has been here for just over 1 year, his decisions considering we are so skink is diabolical.1.. darren huckerby, one of the best players we have , released free, doing well with his new club.2.. joe lewis , one of the most promising keepers i have seen , given away for peanuts, for the big boys to sniff round and pay big money for,and then to bring in another keeper.3..chris martin... loaned out now playing well and scoring a few goals.4.. jamie cureton , not really given a chance, loaned out and scores 2 goals in the last 2 games.5..luke chadwick, injury prone admittly so , but scored 3 out of 8, given away free.6..lupoli.. pay loan money for , not use and then send back.7..henville.. pay out loan money for a player , then send back, then we need a defender ..8.koroma..never played, but we still pay his wages i guess.9.. kennedy.. obviously injury prone.. high risk.. then gets injured.thats nearly a full team of players, we havent used , or been playing well for other clubs.im not surprised we are skint , i know watching tv on the box isnt going to make anyone a manager mr roeder, but i hardly think your a example anyone should be following anyway. happy new year everyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bradley11 0 Posted January 2, 2009 Darren Huckerby, had one season left possibly, i would imagine he drew good wages and was a cut which was needed to ''steady the ship'' unfortunately i think thats the case.Being a friend of Joe''s i know he was a very keen and exceptional footballer, therefore you would guess he would need to be playing regular football and thats something i dont think he would of got a norwich for a few years, and getting drunk and not catching the team bus to palace wasnt a great idea.Chris martin going out on loan and scoring goals, best thing ever...he got to big for his boots at norwich and needed to sort himself out and see what its really like when times are hard.Jamie Cureton, Glenn stuck with him for ages at points this season, he has kicked his final ball in a city shirt in my view, great servant but got nothing else to give on a regular basis.Luke Chadwick, never really cut it at any clubs, always injured, not particuly good.Lupoli....did show good touches and ability in games, but once again couldnt find the net on a regular basis.Troy wasnt physically ready for first team championship football, had good ability but he wasnt strong enough or switched on enough for the time being.Koroma, Full of running and enthusiasm but cant score if the goal hit him in the nose, good signing on paper thoughKennedy, class act in the city defence, him and dejan knew what they were doing, first time since malky and flemo....loads better than Shacks and The Doc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 851 Posted January 2, 2009 [quote user="bradley11"]Darren Huckerby, had one season left possibly, i would imagine he drew good wages and was a cut which was needed to ''steady the ship'' unfortunately i think thats the case.Being a friend of Joe''s i know he was a very keen and exceptional footballer, therefore you would guess he would need to be playing regular football and thats something i dont think he would of got a norwich for a few years, and getting drunk and not catching the team bus to palace wasnt a great idea.Chris martin going out on loan and scoring goals, best thing ever...he got to big for his boots at norwich and needed to sort himself out and see what its really like when times are hard.Jamie Cureton, Glenn stuck with him for ages at points this season, he has kicked his final ball in a city shirt in my view, great servant but got nothing else to give on a regular basis.Luke Chadwick, never really cut it at any clubs, always injured, not particuly good.Lupoli....did show good touches and ability in games, but once again couldnt find the net on a regular basis.Troy wasnt physically ready for first team championship football, had good ability but he wasnt strong enough or switched on enough for the time being.Koroma, Full of running and enthusiasm but cant score if the goal hit him in the nose, good signing on paper thoughKennedy, class act in the city defence, him and dejan knew what they were doing, first time since malky and flemo....loads better than Shacks and The Doc.[/quote]agree apart from the Lupoli not finding the net comment. He has a good goals to minutes record for us. Shame Kennedy and Stefanovic never really got to play together much, as i think we had a good partnership. Thank goodness Doc has found some form or we''d be in even deeper doo doo! Is Koroma still injured?I believe that until we get a bit of luck with injuries we''ll be constantly struggling, as team work and understanding comes into the championships fast fuelled style football all too much for a patched together squad to cope with. Perhaps the only positions you could slightly get away with Lack of consistent selection are the pacy striker, wide players and goalkeeper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy_Bones 444 Posted January 2, 2009 Good job you''re not pretending to be a manager, because some of these statements really are clueless.1) Huckerby was probably worth another season, however the logic applied was that Roeder had concerns over his long term fitness, and was also worried that instead of playing as a team we were overly reliant on Hucks on the left and thereby directed too much of our play that way. It meant we were often one-dimensional and needed Hucks to perform to get the win in a lot of cases. As a manager, I''d want a team to play as a team as well, so the decision to release Hucks had a lot of relevance. The letdown was that he wasn''t given a proper sendoff. And as for the fact he''s doing well at the minute, he''s playing in a lower quality league than our own, where he''s often given the time and space to run at players, it''s not exactly the prem you know.2) Lewis does have potential, and I''d have liked to have kept him as well, but the problem was that in order to really develop he needed first team football at a good level, and there was no way he''d be getting past Marshall anytime soon. As for being sold for peanuts, we sold an unproven keeper to a lower league team for £400k, that''s decent business, especially when we have 2 other good young keepers waiting in the wings. Nelson is simply a more experienced backup until Steer and Rudd are ready to play.3) Chris Martin is scoring goals at league 2 level, a player who was previously being raved about by some fans, should be expected to perform at that level, and hopefully he''ll learn some much needed humility whilst he''s there. He''s also only scored 5 league goals in 22 apps for them, so a ratio of a goal every 4.4 games. If this continued, he may just scrape 10 goals for the season, now put him against better quality opposition and you can knock a few more off. If you think a striker scoring under 10 goals a season is the answer to our striker issues, then you''re deluded.4) Not given a chance??? He''s played 15 games for us this season and scored 0, do you honestly expect ANY manager to continue with a striker in such poor form? Instead Roeder has loaned him out, in the hope that he''ll rediscover his form - at the expense of another side. It took him 5 games just to get on their scoresheet at Barnsley. Cureton is a decent player if we play the right football and give him the balls he needs, if not, he''s better off at Barnsley.5) Chadwick has managed to play the equivalent of 1 game a month since signing for us and scored only 2 goals in the process. So what if he''s been ok for MK Dons, again, they are a league below us, so it''s easier for better players to impress. Do you really want us to keep paying wages for a player who''s injury record is pretty awful?, and why would MK Dons pay us decent money for a player who''ll be out of contract in the summer and has an bad injury record? We''ve arguably done well to get him off the wage bill now rather than later.6) Have to agree here...7) Took a gamble on a young player based on the advice of someone he respects in the game, but then found that he disagreed with with this advice. Yes, we''ve paid his wages unnecessarily, but given the limited opportunities to see players like Henville actually play matches, it was worth a punt. I doubt we''ve paid a lot for the guy.8) Koroma is a quick, strong striker, who did enough to impress Redknapp to give him a permanent contract based on the short trial he had there, so why is he good enough for Portsmouth and a manager known for spotting bargains, but not for us? He''s also had some injury problems since arriving which has limited his opportunities. I feel he could do a job here given the chance.9) If Kennedy hadn''t had his previous injuries, he''d never have been here on loan. We''re talking about a defender who before his awful injuries was extremely high rated, and likely to have got a move to one of the big Premiership clubs. Personally I think he''s been a good signing on loan, has made some excellent tackles and is able to pass the ball out far better than the likes of Doherty.Being fair, I don''t agree with a lot of Roeder''s decisions this season, but feel that most of those that you listed were reasonable choices. It''s his insistence on playing people out of position (or not at all in Lupoli''s case) that I can''t fathom.Indy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grantroederdisaster 0 Posted January 2, 2009 1, Hucks - The best left winger I''ve ever seen at the club who despite an indifferent season by his own standards last time around he was still by far our best attacking force by some distance a fact Roeder acknokedged cause he played Hucks before Croft whos still at the club. Roeders never been able to give a reason for releasing Hucks. Thats because the reason was nothing to do with fitness, injuries or form just the fact that Roeder didn''t like someone with such a cult following at the club! 2, Lewis, Would agree hes a great talent but how many Norwich fans saw him play? Not that many would be the answer. He looked good but not that wonderful and was never good enough while he was here to play in our 1st team. We got good money for him which may increase with a sell on fee. Needed to move on from Norwich in order to go forward I''m afraid. 3, Chris Martin has so far been just a half season wonder for us. Last season he was a disaster so it was no surprise hes now on loan in the lower Leagues! 4, Cureton - Struggled and needed to elsewhere to get it back together again but Barnsley wasn''t a wise choice from our point of view because hes now helped them get 4 points which could very relegate us at the end of the season! 5, Chadwick - In pre season looked one of our best players yet Roeder chose not to play him for some Roedernowhereise strange reason. Was very injury prone but of improved our squad no end. Can''t blame him for going! 7 Henville - Another blind stab in the dark for Roeder that didn''t work out. And they go on about us being skint. Crazy we still had to pay his wages after he''d gone back! 8, Koroma - Headless chicken who looked out of his depth in the Championship. Another example of Roeders loan policy that has mostly failed us really badly! 9, If Kennedy had no had his injuries he would of by now been a regular for both Celtic and Scotland. His lack of pace was embarrassing and he was a liabiltity in his last games for us last few games for us, probably due to not fit enough to play that many games. Overall not a patch on the much mailigned Doc! I think we''d of been not selling Shackel and not getting Kennedy at all! Oh yes and Roedernowhere is a joke that I''m sick of and is slowly taking this club into chaos and needs to be removed before he takes us into League 1! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InLambertWeTrust! 0 Posted January 2, 2009 [quote user="Indy_Bones"]Good job you''re not pretending to be a manager, because some of these statements really are clueless.1) Huckerby was probably worth another season, however the logic applied was that Roeder had concerns over his long term fitness, and was also worried that instead of playing as a team we were overly reliant on Hucks on the left and thereby directed too much of our play that way. It meant we were often one-dimensional and needed Hucks to perform to get the win in a lot of cases. As a manager, I''d want a team to play as a team as well, so the decision to release Hucks had a lot of relevance. The letdown was that he wasn''t given a proper sendoff. And as for the fact he''s doing well at the minute, he''s playing in a lower quality league than our own, where he''s often given the time and space to run at players, it''s not exactly the prem you know.[/quote]We were too one dimensional ??? Surely thats up to our managerial staff to get the team to stop being so one dimensional? IMO Hucks could still do a job ( he did one last season, so why not now?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bradley11 0 Posted January 2, 2009 [quote user="CT "][quote user="Indy_Bones"]Good job you''re not pretending to be a manager, because some of these statements really are clueless.1) Huckerby was probably worth another season, however the logic applied was that Roeder had concerns over his long term fitness, and was also worried that instead of playing as a team we were overly reliant on Hucks on the left and thereby directed too much of our play that way. It meant we were often one-dimensional and needed Hucks to perform to get the win in a lot of cases. As a manager, I''d want a team to play as a team as well, so the decision to release Hucks had a lot of relevance. The letdown was that he wasn''t given a proper sendoff. And as for the fact he''s doing well at the minute, he''s playing in a lower quality league than our own, where he''s often given the time and space to run at players, it''s not exactly the prem you know.[/quote]We were too one dimensional ??? Surely thats up to our managerial staff to get the team to stop being so one dimensional? IMO Hucks could still do a job ( he did one last season, so why not now?)[/quote]I dont agree, a manager does have input, but naturally if you have someone who you have got used to getting you out of problems time and time again you will look to play him the ball whenever possible and unfortunately, Hucks is only going to get worse with age... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gonzo 0 Posted January 2, 2009 Isn''t it obvious? It''s all part of his 3 year plan - to take us down down down... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
singing canary 0 Posted January 2, 2009 hucks wanted to play for this club, as soon as he went to the states he played well .it wouldnt have been any risk to pay per game, i think he would have gone for that, and had a point to prove, surely players like that who dont want to play against you either, is the type of charactor you want in your dressing room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheCardinal 0 Posted January 2, 2009 [quote user="CT "][quote user="Indy_Bones"]Good job you''re not pretending to be a manager, because some of these statements really are clueless.1) Huckerby was probably worth another season, however the logic applied was that Roeder had concerns over his long term fitness, and was also worried that instead of playing as a team we were overly reliant on Hucks on the left and thereby directed too much of our play that way. It meant we were often one-dimensional and needed Hucks to perform to get the win in a lot of cases. As a manager, I''d want a team to play as a team as well, so the decision to release Hucks had a lot of relevance. The letdown was that he wasn''t given a proper sendoff. And as for the fact he''s doing well at the minute, he''s playing in a lower quality league than our own, where he''s often given the time and space to run at players, it''s not exactly the prem you know.[/quote]We were too one dimensional ??? Surely thats up to our managerial staff to get the team to stop being so one dimensional? IMO Hucks could still do a job ( he did one last season, so why not now?)[/quote]Not entirely. We had a playing staff who bought into the Huckerby thing as much as the fans did. We did resort to hoof it to Hucks too often; Gary Doherty in particular.I think Hucks being released was the right thing to do, just not in the right way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
singing canary 0 Posted January 2, 2009 also regarding joe lewis, if he wanted first team football , and roeder being the loan king that he thinks he is, send him out on loan .if lewis had a long contract , surely it is in the best interests of the club , to get as much money for him as you can.chadwick going on a free, surely we could have demanded some fee, roeder saying we only have 14-16 first team players, then releasing players on a free , without bringing anyone in first is crazya week a two before litas loan finished , we send out a striker, cureton, good call .limiting who we have up front in the fa cup... and the other striker is hacked off as he cant get a game..lupoli.a good cup run would have brought in money..or didnt he think of that . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites