The FA and personal agendas

[spm2866 0]

This whole debacle over match fixing will only bring pain and suffering for all parties who support, work for and own 2 strong and great football clubs, why should two MP''s bring this mess to the table when surely its the FA who should be dealing with this in a much more efficient way.

I agree with Glenns comments regarding this because don''t we all remember the Bruce Grobbelaar saga a few years back?

EVERYONE connected to Norwich and Derby will and is affected by this and can you imagine the spiteful chants coming out of Ashton Gate and Pride Park later this afternoon from the opposing fans, already across message boards mud is being thrown and even when we are cleared of this some of it will stick due to the nature of how it has been dealt with.

We are just a month away from the first East Anglian Derby of the season and Ipswich already have their pitch forks sharpened, their message boards are already full of this......

We must stand shoulder to shoulder with Glenn, the boys and the club because this is going to run and run even after its final whistle has been blown and we are in the clear.....

Its the FA''s place to be dealing with this so Mr Doncaster time to show your metal and protect Norwich and Derbys integrity and heritage because this is one step closer to oblivion and have not Norwich and Derby had enough troubles these last 2 seasons.......

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[Regime Change 0]

Unfortunately, match fixing/illegal gambling and organized crime tend to go hand in hand, and it''s very probably an issue that the FA are not equipped to deal with. 

I think we should all avoid forming opinions without the full facts. 

[canary cherub 1]

It''s not just about Norwich and Derby, the integrity of football as a whole is at stake here.  If the MPs'' action forces the FA to investigate properly instead of sweeping it under the carpet it will be worth a little bit of pain imo. 

From the little bits of information that have emerged, if any wrongdoing is exposed it almost certainly didn''t come from our side and it will make our defeat at home to 10 men only slightly more embarrassing than it already is.  Look at it this way: if there was a scam, thanks to our incompetence it failed and lots of greedy punters are out of pocket. 

If you want to side with the loudmouthed Derby chairman in scapegoating the MPs that''s up to you.  Most neutral fans will applaud them for giving the FA a much needed kick up the backside.  I''m no lover of politics or politicians, but credit where it''s due. 

 

[Mello Yello 2,573]

"Squeak, kerlunk, squeak, kerlunk, squeak, kerlunk".......

Everything''s OK at the FA.....Our very own Mr Doncaster is the resident Tea-boy, and will state our innocence when handing out the Earl-grey, cappuchino''s and skinny latte''s.....(with the unique FA muffin''s, Kit-Kats and the hobnobs)....

"Nice trolley Neil!" "Squeak, kerlunk, squeak, kerlunk, squeak, kerlunk".....

[spm2866 0]

Potless Percy you have totally misunderstood my views, i was stating that it should be the FA''s job to sort this out, it should''nt take two local MP''s to speak out.

My view is based on the fact that the FA have not dealt with it clearly and has in turn brewed a quite nasty story from it which has affected both us and Derby as a whole and two local politicians also.

What the Derby chairman has said is his opinion, which he has built on what people within Norwich City FC has told him, someone is to blame for all this and i''m sure they will be found out.

We are all fans of clear and honest football

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[jetstream 0]

The FA are sometimes too keen to keep these things in-house.

I do not have a problem with the MPs raising the issue and let''s hope there is a full investigation involving parties outside of the football hierarchy so that the outcome (good or bad) is as transparent as possible.

The last thing ''football'' as a whole needs is cheats, or the impression/suspicion that cheating is going on.

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="spm2866"]

Potless Percy you have totally misunderstood my views, i was stating that it should be the FA''s job to sort this out, it should''nt take two local MP''s to speak out.

My view is based on the fact that the FA have not dealt with it clearly and has in turn brewed a quite nasty story from it which has affected both us and Derby as a whole and two local politicians also.

What the Derby chairman has said is his opinion, which he has built on what people within Norwich City FC has told him, someone is to blame for all this and i''m sure they will be found out.

We are all fans of clear and honest football

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If you''re saying that the FA should have been more proactive then the MPs wouldn''t have had to go public, I agree with you.  But I''m not sorry it''s gone public and I''m not at all worried about the reaction of other fans.  I''m rather surprised that this forum hasn''t been deluged already with taunts from jeering binners, and I agree with the Man in today''s column that a bit of banter from the away fans might actually create a bit of atmosphere.  It would make a welcome change from "Let''s be ''avin you" afaic. 

I wasn''t disagreeing with you so much as looking at the bigger picture.  For better or worse we''ve got embroiled in something that could be of worldwide significance.  The good name of football is at stake, not just Derby and Norwich.

Isn''t it ironic that such a parochial and inward looking club as ours has found itself in this situation, and if it forces us to look at football from a wider perspective something positive could come out of it.

 

[spm2866 0]

I certainly hope your right, but why should the fans and club be ridiculed with these false accusations, even from fellow supporters!

Being a City fan for 38 years this sums up the situation City are in, "kick em when their down" people say but this kind of thing can only destroy the game, so its up to the FA to get their act together for the sake of football and fast!

Two European betting agencies have come out and said that nothing untoward has happened but this does not reveal the truth from where the rumour or information the Telegraph gave to the FA, football must here from them alone!

Unfortunately you here about this stuff in certain parts of the world of football but here in England where the game is at its largest, there is something very underlying here so as fans of the game we must stand firm and stop this from happening.

You think just like me which is very pleasing, it shows slowly we are all coming together

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[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="spm2866"]

Potless Percy you have totally misunderstood my views, i was stating that it should be the FA''s job to sort this out, it should''nt take two local MP''s to speak out.

My view is based on the fact that the FA have not dealt with it clearly and has in turn brewed a quite nasty story from it which has affected both us and Derby as a whole and two local politicians also.

What the Derby chairman has said is his opinion, which he has built on what people within Norwich City FC has told him, someone is to blame for all this and i''m sure they will be found out.

We are all fans of clear and honest football

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If you''re saying that the FA should have been more proactive then the MPs wouldn''t have had to go public, I agree with you.  But I''m not sorry it''s gone public and I''m not at all worried about the reaction of other fans.  I''m rather surprised that this forum hasn''t been deluged already with taunts from jeering binners, and I agree with the Man in today''s column that a bit of banter from the away fans might actually create a bit of atmosphere.  It would make a welcome change from "Let''s be ''avin you" afaic. 

I wasn''t disagreeing with you so much as looking at the bigger picture.  For better or worse we''ve got embroiled in something that could be of worldwide significance.  The good name of football is at stake, not just Derby and Norwich.

Isn''t it ironic that such a parochial and inward looking club as ours has found itself in this situation, and if it forces us to look at football from a wider perspective something positive could come out of it.

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What''s ironic, Percy, is that you believe that it takes a situation such as this to look at football from a wider perspective so that something positive emerges. Some of us already have long since been able to look at football that way. However, if this helps you become more positive then I''m all for it. 

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="YankeeCanary"][quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="spm2866"]

Potless Percy you have totally misunderstood my views, i was stating that it should be the FA''s job to sort this out, it should''nt take two local MP''s to speak out.

My view is based on the fact that the FA have not dealt with it clearly and has in turn brewed a quite nasty story from it which has affected both us and Derby as a whole and two local politicians also.

What the Derby chairman has said is his opinion, which he has built on what people within Norwich City FC has told him, someone is to blame for all this and i''m sure they will be found out.

We are all fans of clear and honest football

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If you''re saying that the FA should have been more proactive then the MPs wouldn''t have had to go public, I agree with you.  But I''m not sorry it''s gone public and I''m not at all worried about the reaction of other fans.  I''m rather surprised that this forum hasn''t been deluged already with taunts from jeering binners, and I agree with the Man in today''s column that a bit of banter from the away fans might actually create a bit of atmosphere.  It would make a welcome change from "Let''s be ''avin you" afaic. 

I wasn''t disagreeing with you so much as looking at the bigger picture.  For better or worse we''ve got embroiled in something that could be of worldwide significance.  The good name of football is at stake, not just Derby and Norwich.

Isn''t it ironic that such a parochial and inward looking club as ours has found itself in this situation, and if it forces us to look at football from a wider perspective something positive could come out of it.

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What''s ironic, Percy, is that you believe that it takes a situation such as this to look at football from a wider perspective so that something positive emerges. Some of us already have long since been able to look at football that way. However, if this helps you become more positive then I''m all for it. 

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Stop following me around you creep. 

 

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="YankeeCanary"][quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="spm2866"]

Potless Percy you have totally misunderstood my views, i was stating that it should be the FA''s job to sort this out, it should''nt take two local MP''s to speak out.

My view is based on the fact that the FA have not dealt with it clearly and has in turn brewed a quite nasty story from it which has affected both us and Derby as a whole and two local politicians also.

What the Derby chairman has said is his opinion, which he has built on what people within Norwich City FC has told him, someone is to blame for all this and i''m sure they will be found out.

We are all fans of clear and honest football

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[/quote]

If you''re saying that the FA should have been more proactive then the MPs wouldn''t have had to go public, I agree with you.  But I''m not sorry it''s gone public and I''m not at all worried about the reaction of other fans.  I''m rather surprised that this forum hasn''t been deluged already with taunts from jeering binners, and I agree with the Man in today''s column that a bit of banter from the away fans might actually create a bit of atmosphere.  It would make a welcome change from "Let''s be ''avin you" afaic. 

I wasn''t disagreeing with you so much as looking at the bigger picture.  For better or worse we''ve got embroiled in something that could be of worldwide significance.  The good name of football is at stake, not just Derby and Norwich.

Isn''t it ironic that such a parochial and inward looking club as ours has found itself in this situation, and if it forces us to look at football from a wider perspective something positive could come out of it.

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What''s ironic, Percy, is that you believe that it takes a situation such as this to look at football from a wider perspective so that something positive emerges. Some of us already have long since been able to look at football that way. However, if this helps you become more positive then I''m all for it. 

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Stop following me around you creep. 

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Ah, the point struck home I see. Stop posting drivel on a message board if you can''t take it.

[lucky green trainers 0]

my personal view is that as soon as match-fixing allegations/suspicions of any sort come into the public domain, surely it should pounced upon and investigated as quickly as reasonably possible by the responsible authority - the F.A. and if illegality is discovered, in turn the police...leaving it for 2 norfolk MP''s to raise the issue in the house of commons - shows just how lamentable the F.A''s response has been, and in turn has encouraged the derby chairman to make some regrettable and improper comments regarding their intervention...imo the derby chairmans response was unhelpful at its least and crass at its worst...in turn he has disgraced his own office and standing///

[Shack Attack 0]

[quote user="Potless Percy "]

It''s not just about Norwich and Derby, the integrity of football as a whole is at stake here.  If the MPs'' action forces the FA to investigate properly instead of sweeping it under the carpet it will be worth a little bit of pain imo. 

[/quote]Weren''t the FA already investigating the matter though? All the MPs have done is get the game in question out into the open so that everybody knows who was involved. What they have done will not ensure that the FA investigate the matter properly as everybody knew a game was being investigated before their actions.As for the ''integrity'' of football being at stake, that is an incredibly melodramatic statement. If anybody is found guilty of match fixing all it will prove is that footballers are human beings with the same flaws and foibles as the rest of us. They just happen to be better at kicking a ball of air around a field than the majority of the rest of the human race. If we stopped worshipping them as Gods during the good times perhaps we wouldn''t be so disappointed with them when things like this come to light.

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

It''s not just about Norwich and Derby, the integrity of football as a whole is at stake here.  If the MPs'' action forces the FA to investigate properly instead of sweeping it under the carpet it will be worth a little bit of pain imo. 

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Weren''t the FA already investigating the matter though? All the MPs have done is get the game in question out into the open so that everybody knows who was involved. What they have done will not ensure that the FA investigate the matter properly as everybody knew a game was being investigated before their actions.

As for the ''integrity'' of football being at stake, that is an incredibly melodramatic statement. If anybody is found guilty of match fixing all it will prove is that footballers are human beings with the same flaws and foibles as the rest of us. They just happen to be better at kicking a ball of air around a field than the majority of the rest of the human race. If we stopped worshipping them as Gods during the good times perhaps we wouldn''t be so disappointed with them when things like this come to light.
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Tell that to Platini the UEFA President.  That''s what he thinks.

 

[Shack Attack 0]

[quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

It''s not just about Norwich and Derby, the integrity of football as a whole is at stake here.  If the MPs'' action forces the FA to investigate properly instead of sweeping it under the carpet it will be worth a little bit of pain imo. 

[/quote]Weren''t the FA already investigating the matter though? All the MPs have done is get the game in question out into the open so that everybody knows who was involved. What they have done will not ensure that the FA investigate the matter properly as everybody knew a game was being investigated before their actions.As for the ''integrity'' of football being at stake, that is an incredibly melodramatic statement. If anybody is found guilty of match fixing all it will prove is that footballers are human beings with the same flaws and foibles as the rest of us. They just happen to be better at kicking a ball of air around a field than the majority of the rest of the human race. If we stopped worshipping them as Gods during the good times perhaps we wouldn''t be so disappointed with them when things like this come to light.[/quote]

Tell that to Platini the UEFA President.  That''s what he thinks.

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Mmmm a lecture on integrity from the president of UEFA? I like Michel Platini. He was a wonderful footballer and I think he would genuinely like to do something about the gross inequality in the game. However, his organisation have been at the forefront of a hell of a lot of the problems football faces today. Integrity? Don''t make me laugh. Football is one huge trough with thousands of pigs competing to see who can eat the most swill and UEFA are the biggest pigs of all. A lecture on integrity from their president is like a lecture on baby sitting from Gary Glitter.

Anyway we''ve probably got much bigger problems to deal with now anyway [:''(]

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

It''s not just about Norwich and Derby, the integrity of football as a whole is at stake here.  If the MPs'' action forces the FA to investigate properly instead of sweeping it under the carpet it will be worth a little bit of pain imo. 

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Weren''t the FA already investigating the matter though? All the MPs have done is get the game in question out into the open so that everybody knows who was involved. What they have done will not ensure that the FA investigate the matter properly as everybody knew a game was being investigated before their actions.

As for the ''integrity'' of football being at stake, that is an incredibly melodramatic statement. If anybody is found guilty of match fixing all it will prove is that footballers are human beings with the same flaws and foibles as the rest of us. They just happen to be better at kicking a ball of air around a field than the majority of the rest of the human race. If we stopped worshipping them as Gods during the good times perhaps we wouldn''t be so disappointed with them when things like this come to light.
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Tell that to Platini the UEFA President.  That''s what he thinks.

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Mmmm a lecture on integrity from the president of UEFA? I like Michel Platini. He was a wonderful footballer and I think he would genuinely like to do something about the gross inequality in the game. However, his organisation have been at the forefront of a hell of a lot of the problems football faces today. Integrity? Don''t make me laugh. Football is one huge trough with thousands of pigs competing to see who can eat the most swill and UEFA are the biggest pigs of all. A lecture on integrity from their president is like a lecture on baby sitting from Gary Glitter.

Anyway we''ve probably got much bigger problems to deal with now anyway [:''(]

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We''re not talking morals here.  Platini knows integrity is important for precisely the reason you state.  If the game loses its integrity it will also lose vast amounts of sponsorship.  It would kill the goose that lays the golden egg in other words.

 

[Shack Attack 0]

[quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

It''s not just about Norwich and Derby, the integrity of football as a whole is at stake here.  If the MPs'' action forces the FA to investigate properly instead of sweeping it under the carpet it will be worth a little bit of pain imo. 

[/quote]Weren''t the FA already investigating the matter though? All the MPs have done is get the game in question out into the open so that everybody knows who was involved. What they have done will not ensure that the FA investigate the matter properly as everybody knew a game was being investigated before their actions.As for the ''integrity'' of football being at stake, that is an incredibly melodramatic statement. If anybody is found guilty of match fixing all it will prove is that footballers are human beings with the same flaws and foibles as the rest of us. They just happen to be better at kicking a ball of air around a field than the majority of the rest of the human race. If we stopped worshipping them as Gods during the good times perhaps we wouldn''t be so disappointed with them when things like this come to light.[/quote]

Tell that to Platini the UEFA President.  That''s what he thinks.

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Mmmm a lecture on integrity from the president of UEFA? I like Michel Platini. He was a wonderful footballer and I think he would genuinely like to do something about the gross inequality in the game. However, his organisation have been at the forefront of a hell of a lot of the problems football faces today. Integrity? Don''t make me laugh. Football is one huge trough with thousands of pigs competing to see who can eat the most swill and UEFA are the biggest pigs of all. A lecture on integrity from their president is like a lecture on baby sitting from Gary Glitter.

Anyway we''ve probably got much bigger problems to deal with now anyway [:''(]

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We''re not talking morals here.  Platini knows integrity is important for precisely the reason you state.  If the game loses its integrity it will also lose vast amounts of sponsorship.  It would kill the goose that lays the golden egg in other words.

[/quote]But then we''re back to my original point that you highlighted. Are the sponsors going to walk away because something dodgy may have happened in a game between two second rate English teams? Is it about the integrity of the game or the failings of one, possibly more, human beings who happen to be quite good at kicking a football about?It would be incredibly naive to believe that the result of a football match has never been, or attempted to have been, fixed but do we honestly believe it could be stopped. As long as you''re allowed to gamble on the outcome of a match then the temptation will always be there. I guess the only difference these days is that the down on his luck goalkeeper with massive gambling debts/a mistress he wants to keep secret/a drug addiction/a boyfriend gets approached by an Asian betting syndicate rather than one bloke with a brown envelope stuffed with cash?

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

It''s not just about Norwich and Derby, the integrity of football as a whole is at stake here.  If the MPs'' action forces the FA to investigate properly instead of sweeping it under the carpet it will be worth a little bit of pain imo. 

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Weren''t the FA already investigating the matter though? All the MPs have done is get the game in question out into the open so that everybody knows who was involved. What they have done will not ensure that the FA investigate the matter properly as everybody knew a game was being investigated before their actions.

As for the ''integrity'' of football being at stake, that is an incredibly melodramatic statement. If anybody is found guilty of match fixing all it will prove is that footballers are human beings with the same flaws and foibles as the rest of us. They just happen to be better at kicking a ball of air around a field than the majority of the rest of the human race. If we stopped worshipping them as Gods during the good times perhaps we wouldn''t be so disappointed with them when things like this come to light.
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Tell that to Platini the UEFA President.  That''s what he thinks.

 [/quote]

Mmmm a lecture on integrity from the president of UEFA? I like Michel Platini. He was a wonderful footballer and I think he would genuinely like to do something about the gross inequality in the game. However, his organisation have been at the forefront of a hell of a lot of the problems football faces today. Integrity? Don''t make me laugh. Football is one huge trough with thousands of pigs competing to see who can eat the most swill and UEFA are the biggest pigs of all. A lecture on integrity from their president is like a lecture on baby sitting from Gary Glitter.

Anyway we''ve probably got much bigger problems to deal with now anyway [:''(]

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We''re not talking morals here.  Platini knows integrity is important for precisely the reason you state.  If the game loses its integrity it will also lose vast amounts of sponsorship.  It would kill the goose that lays the golden egg in other words.

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But then we''re back to my original point that you highlighted. Are the sponsors going to walk away because something dodgy may have happened in a game between two second rate English teams? Is it about the integrity of the game or the failings of one, possibly more, human beings who happen to be quite good at kicking a football about?

It would be incredibly naive to believe that the result of a football match has never been, or attempted to have been, fixed but do we honestly believe it could be stopped. As long as you''re allowed to gamble on the outcome of a match then the temptation will always be there. I guess the only difference these days is that the down on his luck goalkeeper with massive gambling debts/a mistress he wants to keep secret/a drug addiction/a boyfriend gets approached by an Asian betting syndicate rather than one bloke with a brown envelope stuffed with cash?
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Yes, it would be incredibly naive to believe that Shack, but there are those amongst us who live in a parochial and inward looking world.