Disgraceful - Absolutely Disgraceful!

[Viva La Roeder Revolution! 0]

I think what is going on at the club at the moment is an utter disgrace!

For Huckerby (who is God at Norwich) to come out and say what he did must mean things are in a state! Anyone else fear that he will now leave?! What are we going to do then? I feel sorry for Granty who is trying to build a squad but is seeing his best players mysteriously vanish and drive off into the sunset and sign for other clubs!

People have said Etuhu is not one or our best players but when I  went to see them play last season I felt much safer with our midfield having a 6ft3 84 stone man mountain in our team!

I want Doncaster to be honest and tell us what actually is going on! I care passionately about the club but the way it is at the moment I cant help but feel that Huckerby is right to say something! Granty cant exactly speak his mind beacuse he would be sacked but I can imagine what he is thinking!

[Salopian 1]

The escape clauses are a fact of life, and seem to be more common. But then so are Bosmans. I can''t imagine that the other clubs were very pleased when we stepped in and signed Otsemobor, Gilks and Brellier for "free".Perhaps the fault was in agreeing the clauses - but then we were looking for stars - Ashton, Ernie, Dickson, to deliver us from the mess we were in. We knew that we were destined to be stepping stones for the players to a higher level, but we took a gamble - offering above average Championship wages, in the hope that these stars would somehow work a miracle and overcome deficiencies. In a word we wanted instant salvation, perhaps responding to the baying and criticism by supporters.Colchester showed us last season what could be achieved by a good combination of non-star players, who all played to their strengths. Most of their best have now gone, and we fear for their team. We have spoken regularly of PG building a competitive team over a season or two. He has been here less than nine months, and has had to deal with much dross which he inherited.If you have a billionaire backer, you can pay huge sums in transfer fees and in wages. and thus get success relatively quickly (although as Hearts have found if the backer is an idiot it can all go pear-shaped.). We do not have such a backer, and instant success will not be ours. When we had it, in promotion, we could not sustain it. We have to build a solid squad, patiently, and accept that big money from Sky TV will ultimately come sniffing round for any loutstanding players.Perhaps the Board made a mistake in going for instant results, but we all wanted it. Perhaps now we have to be more patient?

[Marty 0]

[quote user="Salopian"]The escape clauses are a fact of life, and seem to be more common. But then so are Bosmans. I can''t imagine that the other clubs were very pleased when we stepped in and signed Otsemobor, Gilks and Brellier for "free".

Perhaps the fault was in agreeing the clauses - but then we were looking for stars - Ashton, Ernie, Dickson, to deliver us from the mess we were in. We knew that we were destined to be stepping stones for the players to a higher level, but we took a gamble - offering above average Championship wages, in the hope that these stars would somehow work a miracle and overcome deficiencies. In a word we wanted instant salvation, perhaps responding to the baying and criticism by supporters.

Colchester showed us last season what could be achieved by a good combination of non-star players, who all played to their strengths. Most of their best have now gone, and we fear for their team. We have spoken regularly of PG building a competitive team over a season or two. He has been here less than nine months, and has had to deal with much dross which he inherited.

If you have a billionaire backer, you can pay huge sums in transfer fees and in wages. and thus get success relatively quickly (although as Hearts have found if the backer is an idiot it can all go pear-shaped.). We do not have such a backer, and instant success will not be ours. When we had it, in promotion, we could not sustain it. We have to build a solid squad, patiently, and accept that big money from Sky TV will ultimately come sniffing round for any loutstanding players.

Perhaps the Board made a mistake in going for instant results, but we all wanted it. Perhaps now we have to be more patient?
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who wouldn''t want an 84 stone man moutain? I guess we''ll have to make do with 84 kg players instead!

 

 

[Jerzy Krukowski 5]

Perhaps angry Mr Huckerby might like to have a go at Etuhu too for his lack of loyalty to the club that rescued his floundering career. All very well  saying the club has no ambition etc but it''s a bit hard at times when half your players look to jump ship at the sniff of some premeier league cash. Hucks makes it sound like someone other than Dickson made the decision for him to leave. Hope he enjoys Keane screaming at him for yet another lack lustre display.

[Dame to Blame 108]

[quote user="Salopian"]The escape clauses are a fact of life, and seem to be more common. But then so are Bosmans. I can''t imagine that the other clubs were very pleased when we stepped in and signed Otsemobor, Gilks and Brellier for "free".Perhaps the fault was in agreeing the clauses - but then we were looking for stars - Ashton, Ernie, Dickson, to deliver us from the mess we were in. We knew that we were destined to be stepping stones for the players to a higher level, but we took a gamble - offering above average Championship wages, in the hope that these stars would somehow work a miracle and overcome deficiencies. In a word we wanted instant salvation, perhaps responding to the baying and criticism by supporters.Colchester showed us last season what could be achieved by a good combination of non-star players, who all played to their strengths. Most of their best have now gone, and we fear for their team. We have spoken regularly of PG building a competitive team over a season or two. He has been here less than nine months, and has had to deal with much dross which he inherited.If you have a billionaire backer, you can pay huge sums in transfer fees and in wages. and thus get success relatively quickly (although as Hearts have found if the backer is an idiot it can all go pear-shaped.). We do not have such a backer, and instant success will not be ours. When we had it, in promotion, we could not sustain it. We have to build a solid squad, patiently, and accept that big money from Sky TV will ultimately come sniffing round for any loutstanding players.Perhaps the Board made a mistake in going for instant results, but we all wanted it. Perhaps now we have to be more patient?[/quote]Outstanding thread Salopian you like me can see through all the shouting and doom merchants on here ,i really can''t believe how thick some fans can be don''t they realise that players dictate contract terms these days or they just won''t sign it''s not rocket science .We would not be discussing the exit of Earnie and Etuhu if they did not have release clause''s BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE and then everyone would be moaning that we do not sign quality players.  Have a go at the board but i really can''t see what else they can do no one wants to play for us and when they do they are using us as a shop window that is the fact  like it or not .

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="SPat"]Perhaps angry Mr Huckerby might like to have a go at Etuhu too for his lack of loyalty to the club that rescued his floundering career. All very well  saying the club has no ambition etc but it''s a bit hard at times when half your players look to jump ship at the sniff of some premeier league cash. Hucks makes it sound like someone other than Dickson made the decision for him to leave. Hope he enjoys Keane screaming at him for yet another lack lustre display.
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i can see hucks frustrations, ok so Mercenary Earnie and Mercenary Dickson (proved me right on both counts eh!?) have left, but hucks also refers to the sale of Ashton, Green, McKenzie... good quality players for us who didnt have sell on clauses who were farmed out, Hucks knows as well as we all do that the replacements of those players were not up to the standard.

 Neil Doncaster can spout crap about the club not being a selling club and grant having "spent money" till he''s blue in the face, but the facts of this pre season indicate otherwise.

Semmy, Brellier and Gilks were all free transfers.

Cureton, Marshall and Strihavka were all cash buys.

Cureton is a handy player but at 32 has found it hard to settle at nearly allt eh clubs he has ben at, he has had a questionable attitude at some of them as well.

Strihavka is a risk as he has never played the English game before. he could be a success but he could also turn out to be the next Ade Akinbiy couldnt he?

Marshall is a decent stopper but if the 10 players infront of him arent up to the task what good is it? he''ll keep the score down but he wont win us games will he?

Huckerby is just saying what the fans are thinking... will the club discipline him? i dont know.

 i doubt he will leave, his family are happy in the area. and lets be fair, an ageing winger who hasnt done very well at the top flight is only going to sit on the bench in the premiership. he might joiun another championship team but not many could afford his fee or his wages. the worst that would happen is that he announces his instant retirement. making the board look even more stupid than they already do!

jas :)

[Hotdog 0]

[quote user="SPat"]Perhaps angry Mr Huckerby might like to have a go at Etuhu too for his lack of loyalty to the club that rescued his floundering career. All very well  saying the club has no ambition etc but it''s a bit hard at times when half your players look to jump ship at the sniff of some premeier league cash. Hucks makes it sound like someone other than Dickson made the decision for him to leave. Hope he enjoys Keane screaming at him for yet another lack lustre display.
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You cant blame Etuhu from wanting to leave a sinking ship to play in the Premiership, are you saying that if you got offered a promotion to do the job you and everyone else have always wanted to do you would turn it down to stay in a job that is going downhill

[Grando 336]

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We would not be discussing the exit of Earnie and Etuhu if they did not have release clause''s BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE and then everyone would be moaning that we do not sign quality players.

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I''m sorry I don''t buy this - Earnshaw maybe, but Etuhu? I cannot believe a player stuggling at Preston would not have signed for us, given that we were a newly-relegated side with money and prospects, without that ridiculous clause. Fair enough for his agent to try and wangle one, but I think the fault lies clearly with our weak negotiating tactics. If we had some people with a bit more gumption they would have least have set it much higher.

OK, I know we''re all speculating because we weren''t there but all this "they wouldn''t have come" nonsense really sticks in my throat with this Dickson deal.

Typically amateur Norwich business dealings yet again.

[Jerzy Krukowski 5]

[quote user="Hotdog"]

[quote user="SPat"]Perhaps angry Mr Huckerby might like to have a go at Etuhu too for his lack of loyalty to the club that rescued his floundering career. All very well  saying the club has no ambition etc but it''s a bit hard at times when half your players look to jump ship at the sniff of some premeier league cash. Hucks makes it sound like someone other than Dickson made the decision for him to leave. Hope he enjoys Keane screaming at him for yet another lack lustre display.[/quote]

You cant blame Etuhu from wanting to leave a sinking ship to play in the Premiership, are you saying that if you got offered a promotion to do the job you and everyone else have always wanted to do you would turn it down to stay in a job that is going downhill

[/quote]A sinking ship is way overboard (boom boom). i might go, may not, but i wouldn''t expect my boss to be blamed for not doing enough to to keep me if they were paying a good wage comparable to others in the sector, and I may actualy not go if i felt that my company had taken a risk by employing me when I''d shown little to suggest I was anything but a lazy git with potential. So how do YOU suggest we keep players that want to go and suckle the cash cow or attract  others of similar or better calibre? Don''t just say by showing some ambition, that doesn''t really mean anything, what would you actually do?