Striving to make sense of the Middle East

[Yellow Fever 3,793]

8 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

*Providing there is unconditional release of all hostages.

 

Which means it won't happen as that's all Hamas have.

They are not 'linked'. There is a call on both parties, either, both or none can be in breach of it (although LYB will be along to tell us Hamas is not state and so isn't signatory or bound by the UN ...). Israel has to comply.

Here's the full statement from Netanyahu's office, just published on X:

"The United States has abandoned its policy in the UN today. Just a few days ago, it supported a Security Council resolution that linked a call for a ceasefire to the release of hostages.

"China and Russia vetoed that resolution partly because they opposed a ceasefire that was linked to the release of hostages. Yet today, Russia and China joined Algeria and others in supporting the new resolution precisely because it had no such linkage.

"Regrettably, the United States did not veto the new resolution, which calls for a ceasefire that is not contingent on the release of hostages. This constitutes a clear departure from the consistent US position in the Security Council since the beginning of the war.

Edited March 25 by Yellow Fever

[DraytonBoy 154]

This resolution should have been made a long time ago and it's only happened now because Biden has suddenly twigged that it might help his election chances.

[Yellow Fever 3,793]

1 hour ago, DraytonBoy said:

This resolution should have been made a long time ago and it's only happened now because Biden has suddenly twigged that it might help his election chances.

Biden has been one of Israels strongest supporters for 50 years. But even he has had enough of Netanyahu and the current Israeli policies.

Yes it is about the US election, but more so US global interests and leadership which have been severely damaged in the developing and non-aligned world by what was up to now at least perceived as their complicity / hypocrisy in enabling what looks ever more like a genocidal mess in Gaza and the continued land grabs in the West Bank.

The tail wont wag the dog anymore.

Edited March 26 by Yellow Fever

[Naturalcynic 631]

At least Sunak and Cameron have done their bit to try to appease the Islamists in the UK, although I suspect they’ll still be on the streets on Saturday and will still be sending intimidating communications to MPs.

[Yellow Fever 3,793]

2 hours ago, Naturalcynic said:

At least Sunak and Cameron have done their bit to try to appease the Islamists in the UK, although I suspect they’ll still be on the streets on Saturday and will still be sending intimidating communications to MPs.

Sunak and Cameron on the streets on Saturday ? Possibly but unlikely.......

They could be homeless after the next election I suppose.

Edited March 27 by Yellow Fever

[Naturalcynic 631]

20 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Sunak and Cameron on the streets on Saturday ? Possibly but unlikely.......

They could be homeless after the next election I suppose.

Remember, nobody likes a smart@r5e.

[Yellow Fever 3,793]

1 hour ago, Naturalcynic said:

Remember, nobody likes a smart@r5e.

Well if you make a silly comment expect a silly reply.

Sunak and Cameron are not 'appeasing' any Islamist's - neither are the demonstrations 'Islamist' although no doubt there are a few amongst the general throng. Generally they reflect the global view as to what is happening and what needs to happen to find a peace - as per the UN, US, EU, UK and the Security Council.

Edited March 27 by Yellow Fever

[littleyellowbirdie 2,551]

On 26/03/2024 at 09:32, Yellow Fever said:

Biden has been one of Israels strongest supporters for 50 years. But even he has had enough of Netanyahu and the current Israeli policies.

Yes it is about the US election, but more so US global interests and leadership which have been severely damaged in the developing and non-aligned world by what was up to now at least perceived as their complicity / hypocrisy in enabling what looks ever more like a genocidal mess in Gaza and the continued land grabs in the West Bank.

The tail wont wag the dog anymore.

Personally, I don't see any justification for not linking the return of the hostages to a ceasefire. While the slaughters of October 7th may be over, their continued captivity is a continuation of that atrocity.

Edited March 27 by littleyellowbirdie

[Naturalcynic 631]

I see that despite the UN appeasement vote, plenty of Hamas-supporting scumbags were out on the streets yesterday:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/30/gaza-protesters-police-terror-suspect-arrest-london/

[Naturalcynic 631]

Why is this not a proscribed organisation?:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/30/minister-report-palestine-group-police-incitement-violence/

Edited March 31 by Naturalcynic

[Herman 9,780]

Maybe if you stopped reading the telegraph you wouldn't be so angry all the time.?!

Happy Easter. 👍

[Fen Canary 831]

On 28/03/2024 at 04:06, littleyellowbirdie said:

Personally, I don't see any justification for not linking the return of the hostages to a ceasefire. While the slaughters of October 7th may be over, their continued captivity is a continuation of that atrocity.

Would it be fair to also link the release of those hostages to the release of the 1200 Palestinians currently held in Israeli prisons without charge? 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,551]

4 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

Would it be fair to also link the release of those hostages to the release of the 1200 Palestinians currently held in Israeli prisons without charge? 

If it truly is without charge then maybe. Bear in mind that some of those last released by Israel in an exchange went on to be perpetrators in October 7th.

Edited March 31 by littleyellowbirdie

[Fen Canary 831]

12 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

If it truly is without charge then maybe. Bear in mind that some of those last released by Israel in an exchange went on to be perpetrators in October 7th.

So is Israel justified in imprisoning Palestinians that they feel may attack Israel, even if they’ve committed no crime? By that logic is Hamas not justified in holding on to any Israeli who is of age to potentially join the IDF for the same reason?

[Yellow Fever 3,793]

 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,551]

1 hour ago, Fen Canary said:

So is Israel justified in imprisoning Palestinians that they feel may attack Israel, even if they’ve committed no crime? By that logic is Hamas not justified in holding on to any Israeli who is of age to potentially join the IDF for the same reason

It has nothing to do with justification. Taking the hostages was part of the action that triggered the invasion of Gaza. There's no reason for Israel to stop until they have the hostages returned.

[Fen Canary 831]

1 hour ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

It has nothing to do with justification. Taking the hostages was part of the action that triggered the invasion of Gaza. There's no reason for Israel to stop until they have the hostages returned.

Is there any reason for Hamas to stop until the Palestinians have a country of their own again?

[cambridgeshire canary 6,738]

11 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

Is there any reason for Hamas to stop until the Palestinians have a country of their own again?

Did the IRA keep on killing and murdering or did they instead do what they were always going to have to do and move into politics and have a civilized conversation around a table instead?

[Fen Canary 831]

47 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Did the IRA keep on killing and murdering or did they instead do what they were always going to have to do and move into politics and have a civilized conversation around a table instead?

What concessions will Israel give in order for the Palestinians to give up violence? Britain made enormous concessions to secure peace in Northern Ireland 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,551]

1 hour ago, Fen Canary said:

Is there any reason for Hamas to stop until the Palestinians have a country of their own again?

Not getting more Palestinians killed?

[Naturalcynic 631]

6 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

Is there any reason for Hamas to stop until the Palestinians have a country of their own again?

There’s never been a country called Palestine.

[Naturalcynic 631]

9 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

 

Yes, war is horrible and some innocent people suffer dreadfully.  But spare us the Banksy-style propaganda.

[Naturalcynic 631]

21 hours ago, Herman said:

Maybe if you stopped reading the telegraph you wouldn't be so angry all the time.?!

Happy Easter. 👍

Angry?  I’m not the one who’s been on the hate-marches in London.

[Fen Canary 831]

37 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

There’s never been a country called Palestine.

Mandatory Palestine predates Israel by over 20 years

[Fen Canary 831]

5 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Not getting more Palestinians killed?

Surrender then? I’m sure that will get Israel to the negotiating table.

The PA in the West Bank assist Israel in every way they can, even pinpointing Palestinians for the IDF to take away. Their reward for this is ever encroaching Jewish settlements and Palestinian farmers violently evicted from their land 

[Herman 9,780]

2 hours ago, Naturalcynic said:

Angry?  I’m not the one who’s been on the hate-marches in London.

Do you just repeat what you are told? You are allowed to think for yourself. 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,551]

1 hour ago, Fen Canary said:

Surrender then? I’m sure that will get Israel to the negotiating table.

 

Bingo! The security threat to Israel is the entire basis for denying Palestinian statehood. No security threat and formal acceptance of Israel’s right to exist;; no argument. So yes, military surrender is the path to a Palestinian state.

And in the absence of a military threat to Israel then sanctions become a tool that can be used without risking aiding genocide against Israel.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,551]

2 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

Mandatory Palestine predates Israel by over 20 years

Mandatory Palestine was not a state.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,738]

44 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Bingo! The security threat to Israel is the entire basis for denying Palestinian statehood. No security threat and formal acceptance of Israel’s right to exist;; no argument. So yes, military surrender is the path to a Palestinian state.

And in the absence of a military threat to Israel then sanctions become a tool that can be used without risking aiding genocide against Israel.

Did you know muslim women can drive and vote in Israel?

Now interestingly under Hamas laws in Palestine they are unable to do either.

Oh, and Hamas are currently selling the food aid that America has given them to their own people. That's right, selling it. Food aid. For money.

[Herman 9,780]

11 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Did you know muslim women can drive and vote in Israel?

Now interestingly under Hamas laws in Palestine they are unable to do either.

Oh, and Hamas are currently selling the food aid that America has given them to their own people. That's right, selling it. Food aid. For money.

Is there any verifiable evidence for what you are reporting?