hogesar 9,677 Posted September 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, astro said: You really have a great knack of stapling poor personal hygiene on those you don’t agree with don’t you 😂😂😂😂 The guy who sat next to me had nothing to do with agreeing to be fair, he just has poor personal hygiene, lack of self-awareness and an inability to control his alcohol consumption. Who knows, maybe it was the same guy! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,780 Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, littleyellowbirdie said: How on Earth is it false equivalence to refer to someone protesting who was arrested under breach of the peace laws that you were completely okay with back then to point out the utter hypocrisy of your 'freedom of protest' defence for not exercising breach of the peace laws now when you happen to agree with their point of view and enjoy the disruption they're causing? Freedom to protest so long as Herman and friends approve of the protest. Jeepers. This is why it was a complete false equivalence. https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/crime/why-tommy-robinson-was-jailed-over-facebook-rant-outside-leeds-crown-court-46643 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,551 Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Herman said: Jeepers. This is why it was a complete false equivalence. https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/crime/why-tommy-robinson-was-jailed-over-facebook-rant-outside-leeds-crown-court-46643 I'm not talking about the subsequent jailing or court hearing and contempt of court; I'm talking about the initial arrest, which was under the same law (breach of the peace) for the same trigger factor (peaceful public protest). There is no logical fallacy in the comparison, however you try and deflect; if your principle was applied fairly, that the right to protest trumps any risk to preservation of the peace that might be created by the protest, Lennon should never have been arrested for breach of the peace in the first place. Edited September 13, 2022 by littleyellowbirdie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bort 34 Posted September 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said: You can't liberate corporate interests from the democratic process. You can only get rid of democratic process, as with North Korea and China, where the 'Communist' systems are both cults of personality that look a lot like a feudal monarchy, complete with executing political opposition. As for economics, China is more akin to a corporate state with it's intriguing flavour of capitalism. Let's face it, maybe the monarchy's fairy tales, but in reality so is socialism, just one has fairy tales with princes and princesses and the other is one where everybody pretends others are equal while their leaders are deferred to no differently from monarchs anyway; more so if anything. Anti-communist propaganda, my friend! Find any recent story on a specific person executed in China and I can almost guarantee they'll be convicted of murder, drug smuggling or a corrupt billionaire. Capitalism is predicated on private control of the means of production, not just "ownership" which allows for profit but little influence over regulation or central policy. China has the latter. Engels believed that state ownership was the necessary precursor to the implementation of a socialist system, so the strategy of the CPC is consistent with Marxist analysis. If you need any evidence that they're working in the interests of the Chinese population - their life expectancy recently surpassed that of the USA. Imagine predicting that in 1950, when they were living 25 years shorter than Americans! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,780 Posted September 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said: I'm not talking about the subsequent jailing or court hearing and contempt of court; I'm talking about the initial arrest, which was under the same law (breach of the peace) for the same trigger factor (peaceful public protest). There is no logical fallacy in the comparison, however you try and deflect; if your principle was applied fairly, that the right to protest trumps any risk to preservation of the peace that might be created by the protest, Lennon should never have been arrested for breach of the peace in the first place. This is the last time I converse with you as I can't be arsed with going round in circles. He was arrested for filming outside of a court. There were reporting restrictions because it was nearing the end of a sensitive case yet he ignored them and carried on nearly crashing the whole thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,551 Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Herman said: This is the last time I converse with you as I can't be arsed with going round in circles. He was arrested for filming outside of a court. There were reporting restrictions because it was nearing the end of a sensitive case yet he ignored them and carried on nearly crashing the whole thing. Factually wrong. He was arrested under suspicion of breaching the peace. He was subsequently convicted for contempt of court, but that had nothing to do with the grounds for arrest; breach of the peace legislation makes no reference to filming outside of courts. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-arrested-leeds-court-child-grooming-trial-edl-founder-latest-a8368821.html "After more than an hour of broadcasting, footage showed police officers approaching to arrest him for alleged breach of the peace and incitement. Edited September 13, 2022 by littleyellowbirdie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naturalcynic 631 Posted September 13, 2022 https://order-order.com/2022/09/13/lefts-right-to-protest-wrongs/#comments 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DraytonBoy 153 Posted September 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Bort said: Anti-communist propaganda, my friend! Find any recent story on a specific person executed in China and I can almost guarantee they'll be convicted of murder, drug smuggling or a corrupt billionaire. Capitalism is predicated on private control of the means of production, not just "ownership" which allows for profit but little influence over regulation or central policy. China has the latter. Engels believed that state ownership was the necessary precursor to the implementation of a socialist system, so the strategy of the CPC is consistent with Marxist analysis. If you need any evidence that they're working in the interests of the Chinese population - their life expectancy recently surpassed that of the USA. Imagine predicting that in 1950, when they were living 25 years shorter than Americans! The fact that there are 540 billionaires in China shows that capitalism is thriving in the country surely? Any thoughts on the Rohingya muslims? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,780 Posted September 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said: https://order-order.com/2022/09/13/lefts-right-to-protest-wrongs/#comments Do you think this is an appropriate advert for Guido news?😂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,551 Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Herman said: Do you think this is an appropriate advert for Guido news?😂 So you support legislation to further curtail people's right to peacefully protest against UK abortion law how they see fit if they're against it? Edited September 13, 2022 by littleyellowbirdie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bort 34 Posted September 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, DraytonBoy said: The fact that there are 540 billionaires in China shows that capitalism is thriving in the country surely? Any thoughts on the Rohingya muslims? I suggest you read this. https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/ The situation for the Rohingya is terrible from what I've seen. What are your thoughts? Are you going to try and draw tenuous comparisons between them and the Uyghurs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
