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Seen a lot of posts criticising pretty much everything in one way or another but I didnt see it as that  bad a performance. 

The positive about the way we play is when it clicks it enables us to create chances we would never normally be able to create with our level of players vs the teams in the prem.

The negative, and I think we saw it today, is just a couple of players in integral positions not quite up to their best makes us look quite ineffective. Leitner and Buendia probably gave the ball away (needlessly) more today than they did in the entirety of last season. These two key players both not finding rhythm is unfortunately enough to completely upset our teams balance. We only looked like conceding after the Zimmerman injury apparently but in reality we only looked like conceding when we gave the ball away during our own phases of attack.

To me, it looks like Stiepermann is specifically told to take risks, play inbetween lines and generally look to turn and run. We more often than not look in good positional shape to deal with him losing the ball as the team understand the risk. Theres no way our fullbacks could get back in some of the cases where Leitner and Buendia gave the ball away.

Personally, I love our style and it's a risk worth taking. Unfortunately today two players in two key positions werent quite good enough. But I think they will be often enough this season for us to get the wins required.

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You can still keep the overall style while making it a bit less vulnerable. 

There are times when we're basically attacking with 8 players. Getting Trybull to stay deeper to provide more cover, asking Buendia/Cantwell to be a bit more cautious if the fullbacks are bombing forward or telling Lewis/Aarons that only one goes forward at a time wouldn't neuter us going forward but might provide that crucial bit of cover when teams counter.

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29 minutes ago, king canary said:

You can still keep the overall style while making it a bit less vulnerable. 

There are times when we're basically attacking with 8 players. Getting Trybull to stay deeper to provide more cover, asking Buendia/Cantwell to be a bit more cautious if the fullbacks are bombing forward or telling Lewis/Aarons that only one goes forward at a time wouldn't neuter us going forward but might provide that crucial bit of cover when teams counter.

I think its much easier to say that on here than implement it and make it work. 

Our best phases of play so far have come from overloads in small areas of the pitch, often pockets on the right or left where for example, max and emi are close, trybull or Leitner just behind, the other making a run and even Stiepermann coming over to create an option.

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It seems to me that we will struggle to survive in this league with only one set up and game plan. We will need to adopt a second game approach for away games and against the top 6 teams which is absorb pressure and nick the odd goal on the break. Whether Farke is able to develop the team and formations and actual implement it on the field to adapt to the opposition game plans will be the fine line between staying up or going straight back down. At the moment we only have one game plan which is keep ball possession and progress up the field in triangles and rely on Pukki to bang them in. 

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8 hours ago, hogesar said:

Seen a lot of posts criticising pretty much everything in one way or another but I didnt see it as that  bad a performance. 

The positive about the way we play is when it clicks it enables us to create chances we would never normally be able to create with our level of players vs the teams in the prem.

The negative, and I think we saw it today, is just a couple of players in integral positions not quite up to their best makes us look quite ineffective. Leitner and Buendia probably gave the ball away (needlessly) more today than they did in the entirety of last season. These two key players both not finding rhythm is unfortunately enough to completely upset our teams balance. We only looked like conceding after the Zimmerman injury apparently but in reality we only looked like conceding when we gave the ball away during our own phases of attack.

To me, it looks like Stiepermann is specifically told to take risks, play inbetween lines and generally look to turn and run. We more often than not look in good positional shape to deal with him losing the ball as the team understand the risk. Theres no way our fullbacks could get back in some of the cases where Leitner and Buendia gave the ball away.

Personally, I love our style and it's a risk worth taking. Unfortunately today two players in two key positions werent quite good enough. But I think they will be often enough this season for us to get the wins required.

Were you at the game? 

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The thing is, when it doesn’t “click”, what do we do? Loads of sides in the prem don’t click every week, but they grind out a point. In the prem, even when we do click, we won’t create as many chances against most sides as we did last season - and the opposition attacks are better. So the games where last season we created enough to score 3 while the opposition were only good enough to score 2 now changes - we only create enough to score 1 or 2 and the opposition are good enough to score 2 or 3.

We can’t afford to turn up to games, realise it’s not clicking after twenty minutes and then just lay down and roll over.

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My worry is our defence is so young and inexperienced and that's showing. Whilst gems for the future we desperately need some experience to sure up very simple mistakes which is costing us goals (& which costed us goals last season, but in PL you really get punished) Still think we need Amadou in midfield to give us some much needed muscle and break up attacks/protect the defence.

On the plus side once we've played Man C we'll have played 3 teams who finished in top 4 last season and games we can really get results in. And despite the table not looking good, one win, would push us right up the table, so plenty to play for.

Let's hope Zimbo and Hanley can return quickly 

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15 hours ago, Helsinki canary said:

It seems to me that we will struggle to survive in this league with only one set up and game plan. We will need to adopt a second game approach for away games and against the top 6 teams which is absorb pressure and nick the odd goal on the break. Whether Farke is able to develop the team and formations and actual implement it on the field to adapt to the opposition game plans will be the fine line between staying up or going straight back down. At the moment we only have one game plan which is keep ball possession and progress up the field in triangles and rely on Pukki to bang them in. 

At last! Someone who can give an objective assessment of our style and the manager's challenges. Only thing I would raise some  contention with is the inference that we should 'park the bus'  in some fixtures. I don't want us to basically 'admit defeat' before even walking out on the field on occasions (shades of the overrated 'Rafa' at Newcastle i'd suggest!).

We have all been thrilled at the standard of football, wins, celebrations etc. etc. over last nine months or so. When teams either let us play or we are simply too good for them then it's a pleasure to watch and certainly the most 'technical' football we've all seen from any Norwich team probably for ever. That said, even last season, I was concerned at some of the traits of Farke that I believe he needed to eradicate quickly this season if we are to stay up. Still early days of course but unless we see some clear shifts in team selection, tactical changes, substitutions and style of play by the time we troop off at 16.55 on September 28th then we will be heading straight back down. There is no need for sweeping changes, just more flexibility, initiative and boldness are now essential.

  1. 'Use the squad' - anyone can have a poor game of course but if a player is just not producing on anything like a regular basis then give others a chance. We have decent players on the bench (or left out entirely) and they need to feel they have a chance at least of getting on the pitch / starting as opposed to 'having to wait for an injury'.
  2.  Leitner + Trybull is fine if the opposition stand off and let us play (Newcastle) but they are out of their depth against any physical, aggressive opponents. Chelsea exposed that so why did Farke start with them (and, more worryingly, persist with them for the entire West Ham match)??. After only a few minutes it was clear West Ham were 'putting their foot in' and we needed to counter that problem. No fault of Farke that Zimbo got taken out so the Amandou option in midfield was out of the window but Tetty was on the bench and could have been brought on. Likewise Buendia was a passenger and his only contribution was a header off his own line. He could / should have been hauled off at half time or by 60 minutes latest.
  3. Substitutions - you get the clear impression that Farke makes them very reluctantly and almost as an admission of failure it seems. See (2). On Saturday we go two down on 56 yet the subs don't come on until 78!! The delay was inexcusable and reveals an unwillingness to make changes that does not bode well!      
  4. 'Mix it up'- apparently Efan Ekoku alluded to this on the radio and here Helsinki is spot on. Other than the occasional surge by the full backs or a sweeping cross field pass, we play 'five a side' football on a full size pitch. I yearn to see us get to the bye line and 'stand up' a cross for a classic headed goal. That's not 'hoof ball' or 'dinosaur' tactics or Tony Pullis stuff, just good old fashioned crosses into the box for TWO strikers to 'get something on'. Heading goals can be spectacular and an absolute art. Just watch the videos of Christiano Ronaldos headers as proof of that! In his short cameo the boy Drimic got on the end of a cross from McLean and hit the post. Defenders hate crosses like that played in between them and their goal. A change of system to accommodate Drimic and Pukki should be tried. 

Farke has no / very little control over the finances yet he does have 100% control over the key management areas I've outlined. It may make no difference. That's not the point. At least he will have tried. He has earned the right to our respect and support. That will (and should) not be open ended though. He is still king of all he surveys. Witness the pretty generous applause from the Yellow Army at the end of the game. It will be a great pity if those same fans turn against him as winter draws near due to his rigidness and inflexibility. Over to you Daniel.    

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