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Clearly it isn''t dated 6th July, unless you live in a different timezone. 

[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"][quote user="TheNewBoy"][quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"]if we''re going to get finicky about it.....its now 23.30pm......a tweet 23 hours ago is still technically today...[/quote] It is current 23:46 on 6th July. A tweet at 23.31 hours on 5th July is not today.  [/quote] if you care to check your own link again, the tweet in question is clearly dated as being 6th July....which it still is for the next 5 mins.... https://twitter.com/davidmcnally62 [/quote]david mcnally ‏@davidmcnally625 JulRight,busy this pm & so I haven''t responded to tweets.Can confirm though that I haven''t been in talks with clubs about any one leaving #ncfc Collapse  Reply  Retweet  Favorite  More115RETWEETS28FAVORITES11:31 PM - 5 Jul 13 · DetailsTweet textReply to @davidmcnally62 

We have a terrible record with French players, for that reason I''m out. 

[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"]if we''re going to get finicky about it.....its now 23.30pm......a tweet 23 hours ago is still technically today...[/quote]It is current 23:46 on 6th July. A tweet at 23.31 hours on 5th July is not today. 

[quote user="Branston Pickle"]The sky story is from 5:58 Friday (the 5th), so is pretty much the story we''ve been discussing all day; McN tweeted c6 hours later. This isn''t new stuff.[/quote]Exactly, it is 36 hours old, has been discussed in depth already, and now we are talking about 23 hour old tweets. This can only mean one thing.... slow news day. 

[quote user="morty"][quote user="TheNewBoy"][quote user="Gingerpele"]TheNewBoy have another look, he does say 23 hours ago not in talks about any players leaving.[/quote]Yeah at 11.31pm yesterday he says that he hadn''t been talking to any clubs that afternoon. Firstly, that was yesterday not today, and secondly that didn''t really tell us much at all. [/quote]Perhaps he should tweet every twenty or minutes or so, just to reassure people?[/quote]When somebody says that there has been a tweet today from McNally I was naturally going to look. When it became apparent that one didn''t exist, I said so, simple as. There hasn''t been a tweet from McNally today, I''m not saying that there should be, I''m saying that there just isn''t one. 

[quote user="Gingerpele"]TheNewBoy have another look, he does say 23 hours ago not in talks about any players leaving.[/quote]Yeah at 11.31pm yesterday he says that he hadn''t been talking to any clubs that afternoon. Firstly, that was yesterday not today, and secondly that didn''t really tell us much at all. 

[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"]that interesting as earlier today McNally tweeted that we''d received no bids for any players??............someone''s lying?[/quote]If that is true, then the tweet no longer exists: https://twitter.com/davidmcnally62Doesn''t show any tweets from today, only a couple of retweets. 

They can also do the opposite, make something 4/5 one day and 2/1 the next. Then people think they are getting good value at 2/1. 

Excellent, what would we all do without people capable of sharing news stories from the biggest sites on the web, 35 hours after they were published. The thing about ''news'' is that it isn''t really ''news'' after a certain period of time has elapsed and the whole planet has become aware of it. 

If this exact chain of events does unfold then I will regret not claiming to be ''in the know'' with a top secret high profile source. A random little drunk Irishman doesn''t sound quite as good. 

[quote user="Houston Canary"]Yes convoluted is similar to complicated. For the entire plan to unfold as you suggest in the OP seems too convoluted to actually play out. On a lighter side, re: the title, is Shay going to be Given to Celtic?[/quote]Seems pretty simple to me. Chelsea want Ruddy, they pay our price, they get Ruddy, who is a Chelsea fan. In the meantime we are working on getting our replacement lined up, probably because we don''t want to announce his departure until we have a replacement to announce at the same time. We agree a price with Celtic, and Ruddy and Forster then switch clubs. Celtic are left with a big wedge of cash and sign the huge Celtic fan that has always wanted to play for their club on a freebie, Lambert gets rid of a player that he desperately wants to get off the payroll (Given is currently training with the youth team). Sounds perfectly feasible to me. 

[quote user="walks on water"]If only Norwich played hard ball like Celtic eh? http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/411728/Neil-Lennon-issues-hands-off-warning-over-Celtic-keeper-Fraser-Forster[/quote]Those warnings roughly translate into: "He ain''t going cheap". Then when they get sold the manager or chairman will say "he weren''t for sale but then he asked to leave, no point in keeping an unhappy player at the club". Most things said in football are empty and meaningless. 

He''s not my friend, he''s an Irishman that happens to frequent my local. No idea how he heard it but he''s a member of some big Celtic supporters clubs so whether he has heard general gossip or has some real ITK I have no idea, but not so sure that it sounds ''convoluted'', if that means ''complicated'' like I think it does, if anything it sounds too obvious to be true. 

A bloke who drinks in my local reckons that Shay Given is going to end up at Celtic, this bloke is a huge hoops fan so I guess he will have his ear to the ground. With Given on so much money even with a substantial pay cut he isn''t going to be going there as backup is he? Given is a Celtic fan apparently, and was in their youth system. If this is true, and I have no idea whether it is or not, then that would mean they expect Fraser Forster to be leaving.... if Ruddy to Chelsea is genuine, and lets be honest I think most of us believe it to be, then surely this may well be part of the loop which started with Steer going to Villa? Is also inevitable that Celtic will sign a high profile Irish player of some description to placate fans who are unhappy at seeing Paddy McCourt leaving? Anyway thought I''d share, not usually one to spread rumours but this one sounded plausible.

[quote user="M.A.T.T"]What about Ayala??[/quote]What about him? He''s not good enough, simple as. One of Lamberts poorer signings. 

I''d assume that the arrival of Alderweireld would see the departure of Leon Barnett, and probably Daniel Ayala. Both Championship players so another clear improvement in the squad. I don''t think the argument has to be whether Turner is good enough, should concentrate on who aren''t good enough - and two of the four or five players in our 25 that aren''t Prem class happen to be centre backs.

[quote user="SpanishCanary"][quote user="TheNewBoy"][quote user="SpanishCanary"][quote user="Dubai Mark"]A first post or just a new user name? For me it would be great to see Fraser Forster back, big imposing unit.......BUT unfortunately not as good as Ruddy, just hope its all rumour despite me actually thinking there is something in this one. Bunn did a decent job as back-up and could do the same again I''m sure, but ideally we need a more commanding (by that I mean in the box and on crosses and corners like Ruddy, crucial at this level) GK longer term...would cost though.   [/quote] Its amazing how as supporters our opinions vastly change. If you search this forum for "Ruddy''s cruddy" or "John Ruddy awful" you''ll see how many supporters viewed FF as a better keeper than him just 3 short years ago!! So what does this mean now? Is FF worse? or has he simply not developed as well as Ruddy? He was scapegoated after the watford game. I just wonder if we''d actually give the next keeper as much grief when signing/beginning playing as we did with Ruddy, if Ruddy does in fact leave.[/quote]Ruddy had a very shaky start though, and has improved constantly since. Forster left big gloves to fill and people were quite anxious about Ruddy''s capability of filling them. What else is there to say other than that he proved that he was capable, and eventually beyond capable?[/quote] Agreed. But my question was mostly about FF''s capability. The fact that Ruddy is deemed better now in reverse to 3 years ago, would suggest FF hasn''t improved at the same rate JR has. So should we be going for someone who is younger like McCarthy or a little more experienced? As from what a few are saying it seems that FF hasn''t been able to match JR''s ability in their eyes since leaving us.[/quote]Fraser Forster has achieved 98 clean sheets in 195 career appearances. Even for a player who has spent three years in the SPL that is a very impressive record.

[quote user="BroadstairsR"]A certain retraction due here as I have just discovered that Olsson is, at 25, just one year in advance of Aaron Cresswell. It seems that the former has been around for much longer.   The other factors re: cost and wages still apply. [/quote]That would mean giving money to Ipswich though, and giving them some partial relief from their current state of misery, that money could even prolong their stay in the Championship and allow them to avoid relegation. With that in mind I think we should tap him up, persuade him not to sign a new contract, and snap him up on a freebie whenever his contract expires :)

[quote user="Houston Canary"]Ok so here the seller pays the tax. I learned something today. Thanks. Even so, by the time accontants have done their job showing a club had a net loss for the year, much or all of any tax it might be expected to pay will be written off, I imagine.[/quote]VAT is actually a really backward tax because it isn''t directly linked to profit. If a business spends £100,000 on UK goods and services in a year, and has £200,000 of UK revenue, then it will owe 20% VAT on the £200,000 (so £40,000) but will then deduct 20% of £100,000 (£20,000)..... so it would owe £20,000 to the tax man.

Well perhaps that is the idea, Surman would seem like one the obvious candidates to sacrifice for room in the 25 and perhaps signing a left back who can play left wing is the obvious way to make room in the squad without leaving yourself short on the left. I actually quite like Surman but the reality is that he is championship standard - just like Simeon Jackson and Elliott Ward - and he is way too injury prone to be worth keeping in the final 25 as a squad player. Wouldn''t surprise me to see Ayala, Barnett, and Fox deemed surplus to requirements too, either sold or loaned out, although we need more depth in the middle before letting Fox go. Butterfield will probably be out on loan again too. 

Martin Olsson has also played left midfield a fair bit for Blackburn, particularly under Sam Allardyce when he broke into the team. Could it be that Olsson would also serve as competition/cover for left midfield? 

[quote user="SpanishCanary"][quote user="Dubai Mark"]A first post or just a new user name? For me it would be great to see Fraser Forster back, big imposing unit.......BUT unfortunately not as good as Ruddy, just hope its all rumour despite me actually thinking there is something in this one. Bunn did a decent job as back-up and could do the same again I''m sure, but ideally we need a more commanding (by that I mean in the box and on crosses and corners like Ruddy, crucial at this level) GK longer term...would cost though.   [/quote] Its amazing how as supporters our opinions vastly change. If you search this forum for "Ruddy''s cruddy" or "John Ruddy awful" you''ll see how many supporters viewed FF as a better keeper than him just 3 short years ago!! So what does this mean now? Is FF worse? or has he simply not developed as well as Ruddy? He was scapegoated after the watford game. I just wonder if we''d actually give the next keeper as much grief when signing/beginning playing as we did with Ruddy, if Ruddy does in fact leave.[/quote]Ruddy had a very shaky start though, and has improved constantly since. Forster left big gloves to fill and people were quite anxious about Ruddy''s capability of filling them. What else is there to say other than that he proved that he was capable, and eventually beyond capable?

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="TheNewBoy"][quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="TheNewBoy"][quote user="Yelloow Since 72"]CH again has denied any approach [/quote]He may have denied an approach, but he hasn''t denied that Ruddy or his agent has said that he wants out? I just hope that it isn''t true, because I thought he had more sense than that. We even have the England goalkeeping coach here.[/quote]   I haven''t seen Hughton deny an approach, He has only denied that Chelsea have made a formal offer or bid.Norwich City manager Chris Hughton insisted he has not received any bids for his star players, including reported Chelsea target John Ruddy. Hughton has dismissed claims of a bid, but suggested that any negotiations the club are involved in would not be made public in any case. "No [there have not been any bids], and probably if there were I wouldn''t say it," he told reporters. "The best way is to conduct business behind closed doors. "If there has been interest in our players then that is a plus as far as I am concerned because we must be doing something right."And you can read that between the lines as an acknowledgement that Chelsea have made an approach. [/quote]Not sure if it is quite that clear forward, but that certainly can''t be taken any more as a denial than it can as an acknowledgement, for me that says nothing at all. What does speak louder than words though is the complete silence from John Ruddy and David McNally on twitter. I know that McNally wouldn''t want to respond to every rumour but the flames are getting very big and I''d have expected an attempt to extinguish a few of them by now if there was nothing in it at all.One thing that I have noticed is that the club hasn''t released any ''pre-season'' photos, many other clubs have shown their players back at training. Could it be that if they did release photos from this week there may have been a player, or two, noticeable in their absence? [/quote]   What is not straight-forward about what I posted? I said Hughton hasn''t denied that there been an approach and he hasn''t denied that. I said you can read between the lines of what he said that he is acknowledging there has been some kind of approach, and you can read that between those lines. [/quote]Does Purple Canary become Red Canary when he is angry? I''m just saying that you can perceive his quotes to mean either one of two different things. 

[quote user="mbncfc1"]How about Bertrand and 5 mill would u take it?[/quote]Not sure really, because if we got £10m we might be able to get Naughton for somewhere in the region of £6m. Probably would take that, would be amazing if we could then use the £5m towards Naughton on the other side of the pitch.