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[quote user="Gingerpele"][quote user="Branston Pickle"]I have no problem changing the personnel - Elliott for for Pilks would be fine, as would Moro for Holt - the main thrust of the moaning seems to be more about the formation...[/quote] Only the crazy want to change the formation/system. We have a system that is winning us points. No reason to change it, if anyone suggests we should, they should be shot, literally, well maybe not literally, but they should be told to go away and hide in a corner or something. Only thing we need to do (in my opinion) is change a couple of the attacking players next game, maybe Martin in for Whittaker as well. We could go 4-4-2 without changing too much (because at times Hoolahan is pretty much a striker anyway) but we don''t need to.[/quote] Maybe thats why we''re not coring enough goals...................

It''s  the midfield that is the main culprit.  You can''t score from headers unless you put in decent crosses, set pieces.  Doesn''t matter who the striker is.   

Its not the striker''s fault!   Holt isn''t getting any decent service.   You have five midfielders who are not gelling as they should.  Hoolahan flatters to deceive most of the time.  Snodgrass plays too selfishly.   Pilks needs a bomb up his backside.   Johnson needs to stop shooting and only play easy passes.  Tettey is exempt - a key performer, but the rest of the midfield - the chemistry is not good.

I''ve seen every minute of every match - some at games, some on line - but the clear message is - good defence - but midfield are not getting the attacking quality in.     I don''t blame Holt - its the amount of time the midfielders give the ball away.  The striker just doesn''t get enough service, because the ball is lost so many times or delivered poorly.  Johnson, Hoolahan, Pilks, Snodgrass all too wayward.  

[quote user="Yellow Messiah"]I would take a point tonight anyday, so no need to throw it away by going two up front.[/quote] So why change the striker then?   Why not boost the legs in midfield.   Their decision making is poor as is their passing.  

Don''t know why we''re changing the striker.   Its the midfield that need a kick up the back side.

Its not the strikers that are the problem.   The supply from midfield is just poor.     

Every match.     Poor play in the final third.   Just as well the defence has improved. Bring on people who can run and play  with a bit more conviction..  Jackson  please. 

[quote user="Steady On..."]You''ve got no reasoned facts, no facts have been officially released about any expansion so all you''ve got is your opinion And your opinion is you rather like sitting in the city stand on matchdays. I''m very greatful for our board who are highly ambitious, unlike many fans who would evidently love to take their do to the game and stand alongside the pitch, so trying to say I hate the board is total BS.[/quote] Ambition doesn''t come in to it.  Common sense and finances do come in to it and like any argument, there are two sides.  But, imo, there is a middle way.   1. Would it be nice to have a larger capacity?    - Yes, of course. 2.  In the current economic situation would it be sensible to expand? -  No. 3. Should we review the situation in two years time?    Yes. Conclusion - While it would great to expand the stadium, the current economic climate is such that it would be foolish to go ahead with it at the present time.  If in two or three years time the climate improves and we are still in the premiership then we should look at it again.    

I think some of the sympathy for Barton is misplaced.   He cannot keep  being violent - then apologising, violent again,   apologising again etc etc.    Admitting you''ve done wrong isn''t necessarily being honest anyway - its a bit like stating the obvious - "I''ve been caught red handed, I''ll admit it was wrong" kind of thing.    If you say you''re sorry but don''t mean it, there is no point in saying sorry in the first place.   He is in France for a reason - no one in this country would have him.  That tells the story, really.   And as for putting on the "accent"  - well if that''s how English people talk when we go abroad then no wonder our reputation is so poor as travellers.   If you stay in a country for any length of time you try to speak the language - not put on a silly accent. 

[quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="lake district canary"]There is no middle way, Lambo.  If he is on a wind up, he is insulting the French, showing no respect and mimicing them - he does it all the time, it''s not just the one video.   If he is talking genuinely like that because he thinks that is the best way to talk - then he is just showing himself up to be a complete plonker.    As for his "mindless moments" it seems that his whole life is a mindless moment.      He has the worst kind of character - someone who thinks he''s big and clever but in reality is small minded and lacking in intelligence.     I  would have to question why you quite like him.  His "entertainment" value is nil in my book.   I would rather have generic rubbish from footballers, than complete egocentric w**k. [/quote]Don''t hold back will you LDC [;)]In all fairness to Barton not many English players would have gone and played in a foreign country once they were out of favour at their club. Most would have sat around and happily picked up their wages for doing bugger all. I think he deserves some credit for that. I do think he believes he is a little more intelligent than he truly is (the title of most intelligent English footballer is hardly hotly contested) but at least he makes an effort to rise above the banal.[/quote] Can''t help it, Shack - I was trying to avoid this thread because I knew how I''d react.   I don''t believe Barton had any alternative but to go to France, so I don''t think he gets credit for that either.   He had no future here and was told so imo.   Hope the French can put up with him...........

[quote user="Yellow Wall"]Don''t worry Lambo ........ you''re not alone. Perhaps we should never have shown ''Allo ''Allo as that must also have been disrespecting the French. And shame on any poster on here who actually found it funny![/quote] I don''t find Barton remotely funny.   If you find him funny its a bit like laughing at someone who is disabled, imo - he clearly has problems. And the point about Allo Allo is that it is meant to be funny.  

[quote user="Lambo"]Haha Barton''s on a wind up, nothing more nothing less.   For all his mindless moments I actually quite like Joey Barton, far more entertaining than most footballers who spout the same old generic garbage.   *put''s tin hat on* [/quote] There is no middle way, Lambo.  If he is on a wind up, he is insulting the French, showing no respect and mimicing them - he does it all the time, it''s not just the one video.   If he is talking genuinely like that because he thinks that is the best way to talk - then he is just showing himself up to be a complete plonker.    As for his "mindless moments" it seems that his whole life is a mindless moment.      He has the worst kind of character - someone who thinks he''s big and clever but in reality is small minded and lacking in intelligence.     I  would have to question why you quite like him.  His "entertainment" value is nil in my book.   I would rather have generic rubbish from footballers, than complete egocentric w**k. Let them do the clever stuff on the pitch  - for people like Barton, trying to act clever off it just doesn''t work - he''s not that clever on the pitch either, that''s why he''s in exile. 

Best results without question would be draws.   Means only four points are distributed instead of six.   Has to be the best outcome for us.

I wasn''t going to look at this, but I''m glad I did.  This buffoon is insulting in the way he is talking.   He''s not trying to speak French - at best he is trying talk like they do when they speak English.   Its no more than what a parrot does - mimics what it hears.   He has a complete lack of understanding of what he is doing.   He would be showing more respect if he just spoke in his normal voice and dropped in the odd French word or phrase now and then.    He thinks he is being clever but is being the opposite - it would be funny if it wasn''t so sad.

Times they are a changing - some people need to wake up and smell the coffee.......................

[quote user="Steady On..."]You''ve got nothing of worth to say "I was going to carrow road in the 80''s.... " Zzzzzzz[/quote] You just can''t stop, can you.......................

[quote user="Steady On..."]Stay in the lake district and do us all a favour with your views pal. Jesus, what a "hullo neyull"er... City first would be happy if Norwich were playing on a ploughed field. No ambition and no facts to speak of. Jut bold text, doesn''t make anything you have to say relevant.[/quote] LMAO.   You can give it but you can''t take it.   And you don''t listen when people are talking sense.   Sign of a first class troll.

[quote user="Steady On..."]So you think that the right to be at carrow road is based upon games that you''ve gone to in the past. What a surprise. I''m absolutely in shock that I''m vilified for wanting our club to push on and succeed and you all rally around "I we''re ere'' since 1942" unbelievable. I thank god we have a more ambitious and far less petty board than the guys on here. I refer you to my earlier point when I said the majority of fans outside this forum view it as a joke full of crazy old canary callers.[/quote] And you appear to be a s**t stirring troll. 

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"] Now now Nutty and LDC play nicely;  no need to rise to, or to, bait highland - its a prediction thread and a bit of fun,  not a we are blooming useless and getting relegated at least a 2-0 defeat is it?   [/quote]  Sorry Miss [:$]  [/quote] Ditto, no harm meant..........

Now Mungo has started putting his pennyworth in, I find that actually I agree with him (painful though it is to admit it).   I  went regularly through the sevnties/eighties/and followed closely from afar through the early 90''s - living a long way away.    But from 95 - 2001 it was just difficult to take in how mediocre things had become - and its true that the die hard regulars have a lot to put up with in the barren years - and for that they have my respect.  But it is true that in those hard times people like me are less likely to attend - travelling long distances and spending quite a lot of money - knowing that the game will be dire.   The Worthy era was one where I started attending more  regularly - and the year of the play off final, went to loads of games - and the promotion season.    But ashamed to say that once again the mediocrity that set in after the relegation caused me to go less from  2005 - 2009.  Conversely, it was the relegation to League 1 that fired me up again - it was like the club needed help!!  My point is that if the club is struggling, being run badly, having poor results, uninspiring manager etc - it is people like me who will attend less.  If I lived in Norwich I would be there every home game - however bad things become.    But human nature combined with finances  will inevitably mean a fall off in demand for seats - in less attractive games and in poor seasons - from casual seat buyers.   Norwich are lucky because we have a great fan base - and more power to the regulars who go to every week - but really, the stadium is big enough for what we need.   The current financial state of the country means people are tightening their purse strings all the time - I know it affects me and will limit me this season more than I would like in which games I can go to.   I may be considered a fairweather supporter - in terms of attendance, not heart - but I would hate the club to go down the route of debt and causing ticket price rises - for a white elephant - a 35,000 seat stadium only filled up once or twice a season. The club could with a little patience sort out an extra 1000 or so seats in the hotel corner - to me that would be enough.   Like Mungo says - better a full stadium with lots of atmosphere than 3/4 full stadium with empty seats all around.    I have been able to go to the matches I wanted to this season without struggling to get a ticket - so the demand, even now, can''t be that great.  

[quote user="nutty nigel"]  No buddy. That was the game where Jackson was up front with Morison. Hughton was booed when hauled off Jacko at halftime and replaced him with Holt. I was surprised at the time because I would have preferred Holt and Jacko together with Jacko playing on the shoulder of the last man. Hughton was very honest about it when asked why he took off Jackson by an obviously disgruntled fan at the fans forum shortly after that game. He said he felt Jacko had missed the only chances we''d had and we needed to score at least two to get anything from the game. He sounded like he felt the decision justified because bot Morison and Holt scored in the second half and I guess we can''t argue with that. Hughton impressed me at that fans forum. It came after a few days after that Liverpool defeat but he was honest, positive and talked about his forward options and how to play Hoolahan. He is also not afraid to change thing if he needs to as that Jacko substitution shows but doesn''t make subs for no reason. I think the flack he got at that time and the usual numbnuts on here calling for him to go was totally uncalled for. McNally thinks we''ve got the best "in class" manager and so do I. I''m confident we will have better striker options after January.  [/quote] Oh dear - and I was at the game too.   I''m getting my games mixed up.     Can''t remember Holt not starting that one - and I can''t remember Morison being in that first half, either.    I was sitting near the corner flag at the river end/jarold junction and saw Jackson''s contribution well in that first half as he was on that side - he really did well to get one shot in at all - and it was on target, as well as the one he missed.   Water under the bridge now, I know, but I''ve got a soft spot for Jackson and would always prefer him in the team to Morison - he is one of those players who gives everything every time he comes on the pitch.     Hope he gets another chance.   January will be interesting as Kane may be back and if we get Graham, suddenly the striking options would look very handy indeed.  

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Old Shuck"] Morning judderman. No, see Holt just behind Graham as a possibility. It frustrates me when the media lazily label Holty as an "old fashioned centre forward" because he is a lot more than that and quite capable of playing in that position. He gets involved in everything within the final 3rd and makes things happen as much as he gets on the end of things, always has. Rooney plays in a similar position at Man Utd and it works for him, but then he too is a lot more than ''just'' a centre forward. [/quote]   Spot on Old Shuck. I have said this all season and when Holt and Hoolahan play together they can interchange roles. Holty is a really clever footballer who can spot a pass. For a player who''s scored so many goals he is surprisingly unselfish like Rooney. So if Graham comes in that gives us another option which we need because a team without a plan B is easily worked out.   If Graham comes in I wouldn''t be surprised to see Morison leave because I believe he would then be out of the frame. The other option is a player like Jackson alongside Holt or Graham. I like Simeon for everything except putting the ball in the net. This league is unforgiving against players who spurn too many chances. Hughton was unforgiving at half-time in the Liverpool game. So I wouldn''t be surprised to see another striker come in the Jackson mould giving us anotrher option. So that''s two in and at least one out for me.   I don''t think Hughton neccessarily prefers one up front for all games. he tried two strikers before he tried Holt/Hoolahan. I should imagine his preferences are fluid but dictated to by the players we have available. We do not have enough quality striking options to be really competetive in this league. [/quote] I still think Jackson was unlucky to be hauled off at half-time against Liverpool.   From memory he had a good half with only one or two half chances and  one good chance where he had a volley which fell to his left foot - and he had the balls to hit it with his left - and it went over the bar.   I thought this season would be a make or break for Jackson and still think he would be a better option to bring on later in a game than Morison and I  think he is capable of going on another goalscoring run.   Was the Liverpool game where we had Jackson up front and Holt hanging back more?   That was a funny game in some ways, Suarez the thorn in our side - and bad luck and some poor basic defending cost us that day, but to my mind that formation looked quite good.    It means leaving out Hools, but if we had someone like Graham, who is more clinical in front of goal, that Liverpool formation would work well - especially now as the defence has got its act together.   

I always though it was John Lennon, but then realised he was killed in 1980.   I think it was after the Beatles sang a song about us -  "Norwich''n Good"  [:S]