SeattleCanary

Let''s not take any former Newcastle managers anymore! haha! They don''t seem to work out. I''m glad that now more fans and posters have finally got fed up with watching the sad decline of our team. A month a go, I and a few others were told to give Hughton time, and at least 10 games. And basically told we were pant wetters. Good to know who to ignore in the future, as some people just don''t know what they are talking about. Funnily enough quite a few of those die hard Hughton supporters have now started to waiver after only 5 games. The sooner he goes, the sooner we can move forward, as clearly this is his team and system now., and still no cigar.

It''s a results business. Enough said. I''d like a change now because the mentality seems off, and totally unlike the Norwich of recent seasons. We are where we deserve to be after these first 5 games!

Yeah. Its hard to see when we might score 3 or 4 goals again. If we had say 10-15 shots at goal maybe. But with only a handful of shots we need world world class players to convert the few chances we make. Sadly we can''t afford or attract those players.

[quote user="ReadingCanary"]What irritates me the most, is as you have stated, we have greatly improved our own squad.Yet... you can''t really tell when you watch away games.I''m sure there is sooo much more potential to be unlocked from players like Ricky.[/quote]Oh I fully agree with you on this. Hopefully like we only start showing footballing intent around the 70-80th minute marks during games, we don''t subsequently do the same in our season by starting to perform around the 30 game mark. As that is too late for players like RVW to start fulfilling his potential.

*Who are now at the biggest club in the world*

[quote user="ReadingCanary"][quote user="Robert911"][quote user="ReadingCanary"]In fact I''ve just googled their team from 18 months agoThat has to be one of the worst Spurs sides i''ve ever seenWhere on earth did you get "best" from [/quote]Actually Ignoramus, I said "Arguably" (meaning not Definitive - please check google for definition) one of their better attacking sides. They came 4th that year in the league. [/quote]2011 24 Friedel 04 Kaboul (Nelsen - 45'' ) 26 King 28 Walker Booked 32 Assou-Ekotto 03 Bale 07 Lennon 14 Modric 29 Livermore (Van der Vaart - 71'' ) 15 Saha (Adebayor - 46'' ) 18 Defoe 2013 25 Lloris Booked 02 Walker 03 Rose 05 Vertonghen 20 Dawson 08 Paulinho 17 Townsend 19 Dembele (Lamela - 83'' ) 22 Sigurdsson (Sandro - 79'' ) 23 Eriksen (Holtby - 71'' ) 09 Soldado I know which side I think is best. [/quote]Does it matter? It''s relative to the season in which the game is played RC. They''ve strengthened but so have we, considerably more with 25mill. Also in Modric and Bale they had 2 players that day playing at the biggest club in the world now, and Adebayor who had just come back from there. The gap in quality between the teams isn''t hugely different to 2 seasons ago.

Can we just sack Calderwood instead? I think if after 10 games we have less than 10 points and are still playing the same low quality football, then something will need to be done. Its hard though as it is his squad now, so they should be able to play the way he wants them too. Another manager might not get them to perform and may need another transfer window or 2 to then get his team assembled. We should have replaced him in the summer if we were ever going to, now isn''t the time. If we do we may well get relegated like so many before us.

[quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="Houston Canary"]. Why not 4-3 back and forth footy with a sense of "maybe"? It beats going down one, having 30% possession and feeling no honest sense of "we''re still in this".[/quote]because we''d still have lost!!!!! [/quote]If this isn''t what a "real" pant wetter is I don''t know what is. That is way more negative than any Hughton outer! We turn up to compete. Suggesting we had lost the game before kick off, or by trying to attack more we''d get thumped 6-0 is just ludicrous! Why don''t we just forfeit and save the travel expenses if we''re that much worse? We''re in the same league for christ sake! As others have said no game is a given either way!

I disagree. I think many expected us to get our own camp in order. Don''t mind losing to a better team, having less possession and being closed down quicker by better players. But when you can''t even pass the ball amongst yourselves and do the basics which I''m sure are covered daily in training, its hard to support and find positives in that.If we did everything we could do, but the other team outshone us and we lost, I accept that. But watching that today I know we can, and have played better. Theres no excuses, and it comes back to the coaching team, and surely if it continues someone will have to answer for the sub-premier league standard of our own football?This is the managers squad now. His players. Either they''re all off form at the same time, or tactics, selection of players brought in, or possibly with how pi$$ed off they all look, they''re just unhappy with the system they are asked to play. I don''t know. But it we aren''tgiving a good account of ourselves when we do get the ball. Spurs were quality with the ball, but we helped as we couldn''t even pass for toffee!If this makes me a pant wetter then thats fine. I just wish we could/would do the things expected in a team of Prem standard players, like cut out the sloppiness, pass better, and take those 1 or 2 rare chances in a game like RVW at least getting a shot off 6 yards from goal. I hope he comes good, but I fear how long we can afford a player like him in the team. I''d like to see how different it is with Hooper, just to know. Might be worse, but we can''t judge until we see. 

Fer has been shocking today. Maybe we have a good set of players, but I''m worried about consistency. We could easily see a pattern of one bad game one good game all season and it wouldn''t surprise me!Snoddy needs to be dropped until he stops diving all the time.

I think RVW just took half an hour to not take that shot 6 yards out. Even Holt would have at least got the shot off! I like him, just don''t see him getting over 10 goals this season.

[quote user="Nexus_Canary"][quote user="J"]Love that everyone, commentators included, are talking about a change of approach needed - pity the one man that isnt thinking about a change of approach is the one in charge![/quote]Im sure he will wait until its to late as per, the bloke just doesnt have a plan past what he starts the game with... useless manager, rather try and attack and lose this 4-1 than sit here looking like a relegation candidate[/quote]Nice to see others that share my opinion. Quite a few on here critisized me for wanting to see a bit giving it a go, even if it meant losing! I just don''t see what their point was as right now all we look like doing is hoping to nick a game 1-0 which we arent defensively good enough for!I know Lambert was gung-ho, but I actually enjoyed watching that. Safe football, and getting beaten with little chances and possession is embarrassing!

Kind of wish we got Sigurddson now. Or a player like that. We lack that kind of player so badly

I''m thankful they have Townsend and Rose in there against us at times, as they are both great players but luckily for us make bad choices to have radical shots rather than pass. I''m thankful for that and not much else! Like someone said earlier, I get that Hughton focuses more on the defensive side. But we are neither good enough, nor have the personel to be defensively sound. Playing like this we could escape with a 2-0 loss at best, but then whats the point? I''d like to see Hooper for RVW, while doing nothing really wrong, our front line is almost non existent. Like one of the commentators said on the game, the strikers look unable to create the angles to have the ball passed forward. I don''t blame defenders for passing backwards as there is rarely anyone in front of them to release it to. COME ON NORWICH! Better 2nd half please 28% isn''t good enough!

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="SeattleCanary"]PurpleCanary -  "Delighted to have brought some sunshine and laughter into your life. We all need a bit of that on a Monday. But later on, if you''ve got a few minutes, you might care to buttonhole an adult and get them to explain to you why it is a perfectly reasonable comparison."   No not really thanks. It isn''t reasonable, and there is no comparison. Therefore I discarded it as soon as I read it. Now run along, I''m sure that championship manager game won''t play itself now! [/quote]   Oh dear, this IS embarrassing![:$] I am so out of touch I have no idea what "championship manager" is. Is it one of these video games I gather are the coming thing with young people? Whatever, I am willing to give it a go. But my main question is, if I become proficient will it help me get girls? [/quote]Don''t you mean women? If I am to read between the lines of your post, you seem to suggest you are older...... (raises eyebrow)... 

[quote user="City1st"]"Are you actually serious?! He signed 5 players, which means it wasn''t his team. One in Ben Haim was on a short term contract so couldn''t give a monkeys rats ** what happened to the club, and another on loan in Townsend.I''d like to see how you''d do in one transfer window, with a team bottom of the league, with little prospects of staying up and unlikely to attract players. Not to mention all prices are over inflated in the one window you have to do business in.I can''t believe you are actually serious. I couldn''t think of any manager that could have took that squad of useless turds, and kept them up. Poorly run club too.Just look at them now, and where they are with a squad he has fully assembled. I''d give you credit, if after the summer they still weren''t performing, but they are." You really are clueless aren''t you ?You bleat about Ben Haim being on a short term contract and therefore being useless. But who signed him ? Who signed Townsend as well ?If there were such limited prospects at QPR why take the job ?And how come Lambert was able to turn us around in a matter of weeks, without spending £20m either ?However the real point which you have conveniently avoided is that after this dodgy ''wheeler dealers''s'' signings QPR performed worse than before. The points tally was an abysmal 9 points out of the remaining 14 games.As to them performing now that is not the debate, it is about Redknapps completely failed in the PL.However if you want to judge things at this early stage might I remind who was where this time last season in the Championship. Blackburn were second (as QPR now) and second from bottom was Crystal Palace. Perhaps you would care to tell us all how those two clubs finished the season. [/quote]I do not pretend to know what players were available to him, and as i said they weren''t exactly the most attractive club at the time. And I think we can at least agree that managers don''t always sign 100% successfully. With regards to the league one season it proved we had the players and not the correct manager. Also in a much lesser league where we were a big fish and one game into the season. Lambert came in after that first game. Rednapp joined in November.Looking at QPR they clearly had the manager but not the players. How many have gone on to better things so far? Taarabt is about it. Remy is a Rednapp signing so I do not include him in the this. So they clearly weren''t great players.And lastly, yes we will see. I guess come this time next year we will know if i was correct to jump ahead. But honestly do shut up, I am not here challenging your intelligence so do not talk to me as though I am pushing this as fact. Merely backing up my reasoning.

PurpleCanary -  "Delighted to have brought some sunshine and laughter into your life. We all need a bit of that on a Monday. But later on, if you''ve got a few minutes, you might care to buttonhole an adult and get them to explain to you why it is a perfectly reasonable comparison."   No not really thanks. It isn''t reasonable, and there is no comparison. Therefore I discarded it as soon as I read it. Now run along, I''m sure that championship manager game won''t play itself now! 

[quote user="morty"][quote user="SeattleCanary"][quote user="morty"]Soooooooo...He had plenty of money to spend, and a reasonable amount of time to keep the team up.I doubt Harry would have taken the job if he didn''t think he could keep them up.[/quote]Money or not Morty, do you not think that had we have been relegated last season that we would have sacked Hughton? I for one do not, and believe we would have stuck by him. I''m sure many on here would point to the time it takes to build a team and get them to gel as you all say. So money isn''t the only key to a winning team, as we all know. He took over some one elses dross. Thats all I''m saying. I''m pretty sure they''ll be back next season, and if they do return I shall reserve my judgement for him then on how he/they perform having had 3 more windows to sign more than a handful or players.[/quote]I am not even sure why you are trying to compare a hypothetical Norwich City relegation to the situation at QPR.No, money isn''t everything, but it makes the job a lot easier. He had plenty of time to identify the right types of player that would keep QPR in the Premiership, and by "right" I mean not just the most expensive, but the sorts of players with the right attitude and a belly for the fight.Lets face it, he didn''t take the job because he needs the cash, and if it was that much of a poison chalice he''d have been daft to take it on. I firmly believe he took the job with the attitude that he could keep them up, and the QPR board would have believed the same. [/quote]I respect what you are saying. I just tend to disagree. The only person who knew why he took the job was Rednapp, but surely if his only reason for going was for the short term glory of keeping them up, why stay now for a Championship promotion push then?I''m sure he would have wanted to keep them up. Thats obvious. But I think the whole club needed a remodel and he would have been offered a rolling contract or a 6 month one unless he was looking at the bigger and very likely picture. But again we only can speculate. We aren''t the QPR board or Rednapp.I was just saying you can''t change a whole team in one transfer window. Thats all. Pretty obvious too.

[quote user="morty"]Soooooooo...He had plenty of money to spend, and a reasonable amount of time to keep the team up.I doubt Harry would have taken the job if he didn''t think he could keep them up.[/quote]Money or not Morty, do you not think that had we have been relegated last season that we would have sacked Hughton? I for one do not, and believe we would have stuck by him. I''m sure many on here would point to the time it takes to build a team and get them to gel as you all say. So money isn''t the only key to a winning team, as we all know. He took over some one elses dross. Thats all I''m saying. I''m pretty sure they''ll be back next season, and if they do return I shall reserve my judgement for him then on how he/they perform having had 3 more windows to sign more than a handful or players.

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="SeattleCanary"][quote user="City1st"]"Taking over when theres 5 months to go or so, and your team is adrift rock bottom is hard I''d imagine."eh ?there was still two thirds of the season left when he took overin which they averaged less than a point a gamein fact over the season that would have given QPR 32 points - certain relegation in most seasons And if you look at the January transfer window of that season when Redknapp spent £20m(?) bringing in Tal Ben Haim, Loic Remy, Christopher Samba, Jermain Jenas and Andros Townsend QPR were around 10 points below us at the end of that window. By the close of the season that had doubled to a gap of nearly 20 points. Even without making a comparison with us, in the remaining 14 games QPR picked up an average of around 0.64 points per game - which over the season would have given QPR even less than they did finish with.Redknapp had the time and the money, but once again he blew it in spectacular fashion - both the money and their chances that is. [/quote]Are you actually serious?! He signed 5 players, which means it wasn''t his team. One in Ben Haim was on a short term contract so couldn''t give a monkeys rats ass what happened to the club, and another on loan in Townsend.I''d like to see how you''d do in one transfer window, with a team bottom of the league, with little prospects of staying up and unlikely to attract players. Not to mention all prices are over inflated in the one window you have to do business in.I can''t believe you are actually serious. I couldn''t think of any manager that could have took that squad of useless turds, and kept them up. Poorly run club too.Just look at them now, and where they are with a squad he has fully assembled. I''d give you credit, if after the summer they still weren''t performing, but they are.[/quote]   As other posters have pointed out, this is nonsense. Redknapp had a vast amount of money to spend and was able to attract the players he wanted. He just proved to be very bad at managing them. As to the difficulty of keeping QPR up after he took over on November 24, an obvious comparison is with Glenn Roeder, who replaced Grant on October 30, 2007. Admittedly, then, Roeder had nearly one month more than Redknapp in which to work to change things around, but certainly had nothing like the financial resources. Yet Roeder got us safe with a match remaining. Redknapp managed what looked impossible, which was to finish below Reading. [/quote]I''m sorry, forgive me if I''m wrong, but are you seriously comparing surviving a Championship league season with a Premiership season. Hahaha. Thats so irrelevant and incomparable its ridiculous! thanks for giving me a good laugh though!

[quote user="Herman "]He wasn''t limited in who he could sign. He had buckets of cash to sign players like Samba. He had from November to turn it around and he failed.[/quote]Sorry Herman, i completely disagree. Its too easy to just bleet on about buckets of money, and so many on here said how a manager needs proper time to put his own stamp on a team. According to many only now do we truly have a Hughton team and he has had 3 transfer windows. Tell me how one transfer window, with over inflated prices, being bottom of the league and unable to possibly attract you first choice targets, and signing 5 players makes it a Rednapp team?This situation is the same as any managers, and people on here have defended how Hughton got the best out of the players Lambert left, playing his style last season. It appears Rednapp had to do the same, but failed. But with one major transfer window less than Hughton, its understandable. Now he has QPR performing, when they could have so easily started like a Wolves, Sheffield United, Portsmouth or Leeds on that downward kick. He was never going to save that squad from relegation. He needed at least a year or 2. Like people always harp on about on here, Rome wasn''t built in a day.Having buckets of cash means nothing. Its how you recruit, who you recruit, and how they play as a team. 5 players isn''t a team. I''m sure most people knew with only one transfer window they might possibly have to keep Harry for the long term, and rebuild.Signing Samba seemed clever business to me especially considering he was resold for what they paid. He was better than what they had, and they only really paid his wages.Yes he spends a lot, and I wouldn''t want him here, nor would he want to come here with the budget we''d offer. But that said, he had an impossible task. There is no replacing a lazy, overpaid bunch of journeymen in one over inflated transfer window, its just nonsense suggesting like he should have kept that Warnock/Hughes team up!

[quote user="Lord Eddard Stark"]''''One in Ben Haim was on a short term contract so couldn''t give a monkeys rats ** what happened to the club'''' That''s alright then![/quote]I''m sure he was very limited in who he could and couldn''t sign. You speak as if all Lamberts and Hughtons signings have been 100% successful? No manager gets it right all the time.I''m sure Vaughan, Becchio, Morison, and definitely Butterfield it now seems, barely set the world alight.

[quote user="City1st"]"Taking over when theres 5 months to go or so, and your team is adrift rock bottom is hard I''d imagine."eh ?there was still two thirds of the season left when he took overin which they averaged less than a point a gamein fact over the season that would have given QPR 32 points - certain relegation in most seasons And if you look at the January transfer window of that season when Redknapp spent £20m(?) bringing in Tal Ben Haim, Loic Remy, Christopher Samba, Jermain Jenas and Andros Townsend QPR were around 10 points below us at the end of that window. By the close of the season that had doubled to a gap of nearly 20 points. Even without making a comparison with us, in the remaining 14 games QPR picked up an average of around 0.64 points per game - which over the season would have given QPR even less than they did finish with.Redknapp had the time and the money, but once again he blew it in spectacular fashion - both the money and their chances that is. [/quote]Are you actually serious?! He signed 5 players, which means it wasn''t his team. One in Ben Haim was on a short term contract so couldn''t give a monkeys rats ass what happened to the club, and another on loan in Townsend.I''d like to see how you''d do in one transfer window, with a team bottom of the league, with little prospects of staying up and unlikely to attract players. Not to mention all prices are over inflated in the one window you have to do business in.I can''t believe you are actually serious. I couldn''t think of any manager that could have took that squad of useless turds, and kept them up. Poorly run club too.Just look at them now, and where they are with a squad he has fully assembled. I''d give you credit, if after the summer they still weren''t performing, but they are.

Yeah I think if we are looking at starting Pilks and Redmond, they need to switch wings. As Nathan is right-footed, I''m sure Spurs will have watched him to see how he cuts inside over the first 3 games. Maybe put him on the right, and see him beat a man and cross the ball. Then second half bring Snoddy on for him or Pilks.If you had to have Tettey on the bench in place of anyone, I think at this stage it''d have to be Hoolahan. I want to see if Howson can really perform in the hole, and maybe a 20-30 sub appearance for Elmander we could see how he does. We know what Hoolahan can do, and as much as I love him, Howson is younger and the future supposedly. So it''d be nice to see if he can start to perform there.Agree with the rest of the team.

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]morty said: Yay, I said Hughton I think I was named Poyet or Di Canio on the WOTB.... very happy we gave Di Canio a miss I think.[/quote]Yeah me too. Just goes to show that great players don''t always make great managers. I still expect Sunderland to implode given all the new recruits. Its funny how it only feels like 5 minutes ago I was watching Poyet, Di Canio, Malky, Ince, and Zola (unfortunately I was at the bridge when he scored that corner with the inside of his boot against us in the cup) play.And its curious that some of those footballers were world class, but Malky seems the most accomplished and well put together manager from that bunch at present.