canarydan23

You'll definitely need to stop consistently posting such ill-informed, ignorant drivel for that to happen.

@littleyellowbirdie never lets facts get in the way of his opinions.

Well, at least it sounds like it was a pretty instant end.

Norfolk too, very high number of "by" ending settlements here.

Then it's a very good job you're not a billionaire with a Titanic fetish.

I think when a disclaimer explicitly tells you that the product is experimental, uncertified and approved by no regulatory body, caveat emptor should well apply. It still does for home purchases, and these chumps were paying sums that could easily have acquired a property.

A lot of it is on Rush. Some of it is on the people who got in. That CBS piece was done in 2022. If you read that waiver and aren't prompted to do some research and put your life in the hands of a stranger and his openly makeshift, unapproved, uncertified, experimental submersible, then you're being negligent. With your life.

Did you not watch the video in the Twitter link earlier in the thread? "An experimental, submersible vessel that has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body and could result in personal injury, physical disability, emotional trauma or death". @TheGunnShow, covers my response to you as well. Read that. Sign that. Bad luck. I'd be looking to the estates of these guys to cover some of the rescue costs.

I get the families will be livid and looking for someone to blame; I'm certain I would be exactly the same. However, the reality is these people only have themselves to blame and I have little respect for their decision to get on board that sub, fueled by a perverse, macabre fascination with desperately sorry chapter in history. These guys have families, did they enter their head at all when they read through and signed that waiver? When they heard the door being bolted shut from the outside? It's the same reason I lost the diminishing respect I had for Webber when he announced his intention to climb Everest. He's got a very young son; it requires a level of narcissism I can't comprehend to embark on a individual bucket list goal that could ultimately lead to me leaving my kids without a Dad.

Maybe you're not lying in this instance, you're just wrong. You stated that after apartheid and the appointment of black individuals into positions of influence in the South African Navy, that they had to start sending ships to Siemens to be repaired. I pointed out to you that Siemens involvement in the repair, maintenance and construction of South African vessels pre-dated apartheid. You then bleated on about how modern South Africa is corrupt and borderline basket case. That's arguably correct, but when you use the term "Modern" South Africa, whether you like it or not the inference is you are making a comparison between Apartheid and post-Apartheid South Africa. That being the case, I responded to you pointing out that corruption in South Africa was not born under the ANC and existed extensively in Apartheid South Africa. I've no doubt there are examples where positive discrimination has caused inefficiencies in South African infrastructure and in their economy. That said, not educating black people in apartheid South Africa and denying them the opportunity to meaningfully contribute or acquire positions of influence was detrimental to Apartheid South Africa's prospects. Neither system is meritocratic, but in one black people were stamped on whilst white people were given preferential treatment, in the other some black people are undoubtedly given preferential treatment, whilst white people remain in control of the majority of the country's capital and are still able to reach positions of influence; you used the energy crisis as a deflection for your stupid Navy, second-hand Navy anecdote. There have been three white CEOs of the state-owned energy infrastructure company Eskom since apartheid. How many black CEOs were there prior to 1994? Unfortunately, this conversation isn't going to be evidence if you're hoping to launch a campaign to prove you're not an idiot.

Apparently if you say Snodgrass to the mirror four times and then spin around Lakey will appear and tell you how awful he was.

Can we take your pivot to the energy crisis as confirmation you're unable to back up your nonsense on the South African Navy and Siemens involvement? I'm not arguing that South Africa and the ANC are not rife with corruption. But apartheid South Africa was a deeply corrupt institution, google to Muldergate Scandal. Or is it not corruption in your eyes when white people do it? GDP growth doubled after apartheid and prior to 1994 the country was suffering from persistently high inflation and interest rates and shrinking investment. You want a basket case country, where people were put in positions because of their skin colour, look no further than South Africa pre-apartheid. But apparently people getting jobs based on their skin colour only makes a country "borderline basket case" when those people are black? That smell just isn't going away, is it?

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Depressing, isn't it.

Lol, is that what your "Uncle" told you? Reckon it's missing some pre-early 90s policy, do you? Another topic you know nothing about. It's a ****ing long list.

So we're into starting threads about cc starting threads now are we?

I mean, lets ignore the fact that Siemens has been helping maintain South Africa's Navy, and build ships for them, for over five decades. You'll note that means they were doing so before apartheid. So pre-apartheid they were using Siemens for sensible reasons, but post-apartheid they were using Siemens because of those useless blacks? I smell something.

Yeah, and this seems to be getting far more media attention. We're an awful species, really, aren't we?

No. The Aussies definitely deserved to lose. They struck lucky.

Not really, we don't play for draws now, we play to win. Couldn't have won without the declaration. I suspect it'll be his field placements in those last 20 overs that keeps him up tonight, not the declaration.

Seemed to abandon Bazball when it mattered, field should have been crowding Cummins from the first ball but we let him get in. Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory there. Still, a lot to be optimistic about, that was a massively fortunate win for the Aussies. Crawley's wicket, Aus getting to bowl for the only period when it favoured the bowling side, Bairstow's muckups and Broad's no-ball wicket. Truth is the Aussies can't beat us unless we beat ourselves. Cut out silly errors, trust luck will even itself out and the Ashes are ours.

Yep. That's the decision that's killed us.

Did all the hard work but we're throwing it away at the death. New ball now surely. But probably too late.

I got the declaration but I don't get this persistence with the old ball.

Or 5.