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Some th ing else to think about when MA talks about using the Dominican Republic as a way to develop players for Baseball. Could our recent link up with Coritiba and that team in India be a way to introduce more players to the investors to spread risk for NCFC?

38 minutes in - MA talks about funding players in a non visible way.

Much of the points I’m raising are alluded to in this interview I believe alongside the Sara comment.

Exactly, the thing is it isn’t third part player ownership. It’s something different and unique utilising the investment vehicle. I did mention Sara as I believe from an interview with MA it was defences as he was trusting Webber on the purchase and the success of that player and Breedon touched on how he funded the purchase as part of the agreement to buy shares.

There is being transparent and then there is creating a competitive advantage that you may not want to share in its entirety. I’d also argue the club has never been transparent with its dealings and have always kept the inner runnings of the club quiet, mostly due to the fact Delia doesn’t know how it’s run.

I’m not saying it is but what I was trying to highlight perhaps badly that there are lots of ways to fund a club and that it doesn’t always mean third party ownership of players. What is happening now is unique to any FC in world football. It’s not been done before so no you can’t compare but what I’m trying to say is people who are worried it’s in conflict with the rules is that this has gone through significant due diligence and has sign off from the needed football associations.

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Just to alleviate some worries about investors and ‘third party owership’ which this is not. Think back to when we needed to buy Huckerby and others, wasn’t it the turners that provided us with a ‘loan’ to purchase him. We then a few years later paid off the turners plus interest. Whilst this is different it is fundamentally the same in terms of legalities. Hope that puts some minds at rest, it isn’t third party ownership but a platform for investors to invest in player sales through NCFC.

The thing is BYG. This is not your typical player ownership model that you will see in South America etc. The investors utilise the investment vehicle. The investment vehicle put in funds to Norwich city to purchase players. Those funds are similar to a directors loan. You can take them back out under an agreement and can recover dividends based on profit. I’m not a finance man but understand the business environment at a high level. This is completely innovative and a first of its kind mechanism from my understanding. There are technicalities I don’t know and even if I did I’d find difficult to explain. It is my understand significant due diligence has been done and the Norwich player finance model has been approved by the correct authorities and is one of the reasons for the lengthy time it has taken for the announcement. One thing I would say is look back at interviews most of it has been mentioned one way another and this news isn’t new. Just hasn’t been explained or brought together in a few messages on this thread as has been done over the last few days.

Sara has been mentioned in the press. I believe he was the trial one to prove the concept. It probably means he’s off either way this summer to provide the return. Nunez no idea but it may just be Sara at this point whilst MA waiting to be approved on his takeover.

Yes in essence. However of course there is a need for MA to have a club performing because that attracts the players which attract the investors. It will need some shrewd operating to make it work but it might be the only way to make Norwich City work in the modern football environment. As with anything, only time will tell. I’m overall a supporter of the plan and I am pretty excited by it.

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The investors would love this, wouldn’t they? You can see why these money guys are suddenly so interested in working with NCFC and MA.

I’ve done a bit more digging and going over old conversations. I think another piece which is all so important is the revolutions of data management. How MA is introducing his data capture to investors will be the most important thing here. Could we get in a situation where the data says sign Joe Bloggs from ABC FC in Romania because of the % chance of 50% increase in value over two years. We then experience investor pressure to sign players because they see the likelihood of a quick return? We will need a masterful coach to deal with the drive to sign, coach, up their value to the market place and replace. Appreciate Knapper is there to align needs of a playing team and the ownership need to drive revenue to investors. It would be wonderful to see what % the club retain in these transactions. I’m not sure this will ever become entirely clear as it’s our USP and allows us to differentiate from traditional player financing. I do agree with an earlier post that this should encourage some better players to join. It stands us out in a competitive market place.

Not sure, the model I have mentioned highlights a long term approach. Brining in lots of investment opportunities over time to make quick returns. Football careers are short and good Norwich players are even shorter in terms of a Norwich career. This is great for investors because no good player wants to stay at Norwich longer than 2 years. That means they get sold/moved on and the investors get their returns quicker. This model wouldn’t work at a bigger club. Would MA build the concept get it working, bringing in serious returns for him and the investors and then sell the whole concept? Perhaps but I think that’ll take some time - 10 years or so and we’ll be in a better place for it.

I believe so. The investment vehicle has been mentioned a few times in interviews and I believe this is the mechanism behind the concept. It also explains why it has taken so god long to get approved. It’s recognised as different and I expect there has been some nervousness. You even saw it from MA when Delia said he was onboard already and it was a wry ‘there’s still work to do, to get me there’ from MA

Yeah I’m not sure of the exact technical aspects but the club remain as owners of players it’s nearer to speculation than anything and MA investment vehicle as the poster above mentioned is the mechanism to enable this.

One things I’m not sure about is existing players. Could we see a situation where investors invest in players already under contract? That brings in income but we share the profits club, MA and investor

You have to assume a lot of due diligence has been done. I assume this is a loophole and MA getting himself onto whatever board it was that governs football enables him to influence those that pull the strings on legalities. He’s a smart bloke and those that win in life like him usually find ways to do things others haven’t been able to before

I think so, but I also hear even if we are in the championship now his joint ownership has gone through he will ramp things up in the championship too. We attracted Ben Knapper because of this innovative model and are bringing in a significant academy manager to manage the next lot of talent. I believe first players will be bought and academy prospects with a tiered investment model for investors. Short, medium and long term players with different payouts the longer investors keep money in the club. The true benefit of this is as we look at financial FairPlay issues that are hitting clubs, this gets around this. Investors money essential are recorded as money coming in/earnings essentially as the accounting uses dividends to pay returns. That enables us to purchase players and spend more than a typical club in our situation that has limited incoming revenue. Its pretty radical and innovative.

A few conversations I have had and some interviews have indicated it historically. There was one where MA talks about Stuart Webber bringing a Brazilian player in and to see how he performs and if he creates a return. About a year after that interview stuart or Delia (can’t remember) talked about how Mark funded the Sara deal additional to initial investment and I think in the same one it was mentioned how Mark is getting investor interest together and how they want to invest in players. If I had some time I’d get the various interviews together and cut them together so it would highlight the strategy.