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[Overrated, over paid 22]

This post is purely my option about the ridiculous fickleness of ''the average '' football fan.

A great win on Sunday which has given all connected with the club a big boost. This follows improved performances in the last few games and we''re mounting a fight to stay in the league, all great, we all support that. However, one swallow does not make a summer. The unexpected 3pts v a good spurs side doesn''t eradicate the very poor points return and goal return delivered this season.

It amazes me just how fickle and, quite frankly, stupid many football fans appear to be. The masses sway between burn him and praise him almost as every game passes. Either Hughton is a good manager, the right fit for us and the right level for us or he isn''t. His tenure has been long enough for us all to make that call.

The Spurs result hasn''t changed my mind, securing survival is all I''m concerned about then I expect our board to consider hughtons position carefully.

We, the fans will never know precisely what has happened, there may well be good reasons why the team have struggled and the board have stuck by their man. There may be good reasons why Hughton chose not to improve his squad with new strikers in January when it''s obvious to everyone that our existing front men have failed to deliver the goals needed. There may be good reasons why the likes of fox and Wes and becciho are ignored when the team has been crying out for changes.

Again, we will never know but the changes in opinion, all the in out, in out cobblers is really quite embarrassing.

I stick by my thoughts on Hughton, a good chap, a sound manager but amongst the best 20 managers in the country he is not. Give him 3 or 4 seasons and that could of course change, a big gamble to take and not one I''d be interested in playing out if this were my decision.

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[littleyellowbirdie 2,504]

[quote user="Overrated over paid"]This post is purely my option about the ridiculous fickleness of ''the average '' football fan.

A great win on Sunday which has given all connected with the club a big boost. This follows improved performances in the last few games and we''re mounting a fight to stay in the league, all great, we all support that. However, one swallow does not make a summer. The unexpected 3pts v a good spurs side doesn''t eradicate the very poor points return and goal return delivered this season.

It amazes me just how fickle and, quite frankly, stupid many football fans appear to be. The masses sway between burn him and praise him almost as every game passes. Either Hughton is a good manager, the right fit for us and the right level for us or he isn''t. His tenure has been long enough for us all to make that call.

The Spurs result hasn''t changed my mind, securing survival is all I''m concerned about then I expect our board to consider hughtons position carefully.

We, the fans will never know precisely what has happened, there may well be good reasons why the team have struggled and the board have stuck by their man. There may be good reasons why Hughton chose not to improve his squad with new strikers in January when it''s obvious to everyone that our existing front men have failed to deliver the goals needed. There may be good reasons why the likes of fox and Wes and becciho are ignored when the team has been crying out for changes.

Again, we will never know but the changes in opinion, all the in out, in out cobblers is really quite embarrassing.

I stick by my thoughts on Hughton, a good chap, a sound manager but amongst the best 20 managers in the country he is not. Give him 3 or 4 seasons and that could of course change, a big gamble to take and not one I''d be interested in playing out if this were my decision.

End[/quote]The point is that very few teams do actually gamble on giving managers serious time to get settled and develop. The ones that do invariably experience a premium from the added stability. The thing is there''s no point us having the best manager in the world as it stands as we''re a million miles away from having the best resources. Put Vettel and Weber in identical cars and Vettel will usually win. Put Vettel in a Ferrari Enzo against Weber in a Red Bull and Vettel won''t have a prayer. Hughton''s good for the level we''re at and shows every sign of growing and not being anywhere near as fixed or negative as he is portrayed by some. Fundamentals are he knows his stuff and can motivate his team. The longer he''s at the club, the better he knows his players and the better they know each other the better we will become. The fact that he''s also a proper gent is a bonus.If some truly awesome managerial candidate comes knocking in the Summer who''s got a viable plan to turn a bottom 15 side in terms of financial value into a Champion''s League side in one season then great, but aside from that, if you''ve got a manager who can deliver what you can realistically expect or better (which is what he did last season) and his team like to play for him then there''s no reason to change and risk it all for the sake of being a bit itchy. Won''t pretend it hasn''t been a pretty desperate season in many respects or that I''ve started to give up hope myself at times and CH has been responsible on occasion, but more often it''s either been individual errors that have let us down or that too many of our best players have been out injured. There''s been far too much of the blame laid at CH''s door than is really rational.In the meantime, happy that the team are still motivated and giving it their all in spite of results.

[Overrated, over paid 22]

Nice response, some good points raised. I suspect the issue is actually the whole ''realistic expectations''. Most fans seem unable to comprehend what is realistic and what is not. It is after all the crazy, fast paved, cash rich premier league with all the glitz and glamour that comes with it.

It''s like a high stakes Vegas blow out except we are not calm, calculated experts but in many was gullible fans who need feeding.

I accept your points however my dissatisfaction with Hughton doesn''t relate to league position, we''re roughly where I expect our club to be. The issue is his mismanagement and poor decision making which has massively compounded the issues we''ve faced.

J

[Hucks6 169]

Spot on mate great post.My thoughts are the same

[KeelansGlove 0]

I agree completely one swallow does not make a summer.

Like most I am overjoyed at the 3 points on Sunday and again hope that again this might be the start of something good but would need to see some serious improvement to change my mind about needing change in the summer 2 full seasons should be more than enough to at least show some signs of a team able to compete and defend/score at premier league level.

Win a couple of games convincingly and maybe I will reconsider, stumble through and just survive or not and it has to be time for a change.

[danielsroundabout 9]

littleyellowbird speaks far too much sense for this forum.

The outers don''t seem to realise the dangers of what we might finish up with at this stage of the season if a change was made.

Malky, no thanks, Lennon - he''d fall out with somebody in the first week. And a new manager would need to learn the new players that he would be stuck with. Certainly, the ManC and Spurs matches have shown that the players are giving their all for Hughton.

Yes, good sense littleyellowbird.

[nutty nigel 7,507]

[quote user="Overrated over paid"]Nice response, some good points raised.

I suspect the issue is actually the whole ''realistic expectations''. Most fans

seem unable to comprehend what is realistic and what is not. It is after all the

crazy, fast paved, cash rich premier league with all the glitz and glamour that

comes with it. It''s like a high stakes Vegas blow out except we are not calm,

calculated experts but in many was gullible fans who need feeding. I

accept your points however my dissatisfaction with Hughton doesn''t relate to

league position, we''re roughly where I expect our club to be. The issue is his

mismanagement and poor decision making which has massively compounded the issues

we''ve faced. J[/quote]

 

 

 

What issues apart from league position has Hughton''s decision making compounded?

 

 

 

[Master J-Do Pur 0]

I think our biggest problem this season has been injuries. Big injuries to Tettey, Howson, Pilkington, E. Bennett, Turner and Van Wolfswinkel really hampered our form. We tried to change our style of play in the final third at the beginning of the season with the signing of Redmond, Van Wolfswinkel, Hooper, Elmander and Fer. Unfortunately for it to work we needed some stability, something we haven''t had due to injuries. I thought RVW started to look good before his injury, and the constant changes right through the team every week really slowed the progression of our new starting line up.I think this is the first time this season when we have really been able to field a regular team with not many changes and form has improved. My biggest problem with the way we play is how we line up with inverted wingers, as it really narrows the space for our striker to work in. With Redmond''s youthful naivety and Snodgrass''s direct approach (both always shooting instead of passing) it doesn''t really create too many genuine goalscoring chances up front. This is where the fullbacks really come in to play and i don''t think it''s a coincidence our form and attacking has improved with tettey being back in the team. He offers the shield for the defence that gives the fullbacks the freedom to attack as he is really great at covering the space that they vacate.Howson being back will also be a massive bonus, i think he is our only midfielder that bursts past the striker, offering genuine support and giving the centre backs someone else to think about. Also, with RVW running the channels, he does leave a lot of space for a midfielder like Howson to run into and i hope this might mean actual goals.I think the signing of Yobo was a fantastic one in the Jan transfer window, and one that has been an instant success. It''s really hard to make signings in the Jan transfer window and would have been too much of a risk to overspend on a striker, a position we just spent over £10m on in the summer. I always try to give any signings until their second season before writing them off because we have seen with so many players who join the PL, struggle in their first season and then really step up in their second season. (eg Giroud and Drogba).