What do we expect is outweighed by what we will accept.

[Hardhouse44 295]

As far as I can see what we as fans will expect from PG and the team is outweighed by what we will accept. The board a not interest in the success they talk about unless it comes along without major outlay.

Much of the talk in an earlier post about what we should expect this season was about consolidation. What does that mean. Consolidate what. Our disgraceful form! What is there to consolidate. Nothing in my view. What should we expect. Again nothing in my view.

Sacking Worthy was the board attempt to appease the angry mob if you like. They saw that we were not going to continue to accept that level of performance and acted to relieve the tension.

The boards ambition is always balanced against the cost of achieving or worse not achieving the goals that we as fans wish for.

Failure to speculate to accumulate was our down fall in the premiership and has been our failure ever since.

I’m am beginning to fear that the removal of Worthington by the means of fan power has back fired on us. His removal is what we wanted. However We now have ready excuses for our failure “it’s not his team, we need time to gel” the list of excuses could go on and on . The board gave us what we wanted now we will have to live with what we asked for.

The board is interested in staying in this league. It will happen we won’t go down. It’s a question of where we finish and how they can sell that position to the fans.

Top half and everybody’s happy. Well not really but that’s enough to keep the status quo. And thats the boards real ambition.

What with the poor players the gutless board and even us fickle fans (of which I am one) Norwich City is rotten to the core.

[nutty nigel 7,963]

It''s not been a good weekend for sure, but "rotten to the core"? I don''t think so!

There was so much optimism on this board after we beat Brum and Cardiff. After yesterday  the pendulum has swung back and there''s nearly as much pessimism as before Peter Grant was appointed. Us fans need top be patient as the new manager finds his feet and builds his own team to play in the way he wants them to.

HH44, do you honestly believe ''fan power'' removed Nigel Worthington? I don''t believe it was the NCISA''s public meeting at St. Andrews Hall in 2005 or the Worthyout demo''s and website that did for him, I believe it was a combination of a lack of even a playoff challenge last season, the poor results after a promising start this season and the abysmal away record over the past two seasons that caused the boards infinite patience to wear out.

 

[canary cherub 1]

Good post HH and a very honest assessment.

[Hardhouse44 295]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

It''s not been a good weekend for sure, but "rotten to the core"? I don''t think so!

There was so much optimism on this board after we beat Brum and Cardiff. After yesterday  the pendulum has swung back and there''s nearly as much pessimism as before Peter Grant was appointed. Us fans need top be patient as the new manager finds his feet and builds his own team to play in the way he wants them to.

HH44, do you honestly believe ''fan power'' removed Nigel Worthington? I don''t believe it was the NCISA''s public meeting at St. Andrews Hall in 2005 or the Worthyout demo''s and website that did for him, I believe it was a combination of a lack of even a playoff challenge last season, the poor results after a promising start this season and the abysmal away record over the past two seasons that caused the boards infinite patience to wear out.

 

[/quote]What this weekend has done is proven that we are a club with only a handful of decent players. As when Huckerby was out before we are useless and when Earnshaw is missing as well we can''t even manage a consolation goal. If a 5 nil defeat to Stoke isn''t rotten then I don''t know what is.

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Norwich is the Club it is because of the supporters. I am a dyed in the wool Norfolk man and yet I don''t tug my forelock to anyone although I will respect anyone. However, you only have to look at the apologists on this Board to see what the reality is: we are soft, easily deterred, accept mediocrity and get it.

I don''t like the Wolves example but there is ample room for City fans to be less understanding and more demanding.

[Mook 0]

[quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]Norwich is the Club it is because of the supporters. I am a dyed in the wool Norfolk man and yet I don''t tug my forelock to anyone although I will respect anyone. However, you only have to look at the apologists on this Board to see what the reality is: we are soft, easily deterred, accept mediocrity and get it. I don''t like the Wolves example but there is ample room for City fans to be less understanding and more demanding.[/quote]

Yes, but look at Wolves - what good does it do to be less understanding, and more demanding??

Leeds, Wolves, Sunderland, Newcastle etc etc are all clubs who''s supporters demand a lot. And look at them! What difference does it really make? You change a manager, change a few players, hope for a bit of luck and there you go. There''s hardly a recipe.

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Mook, I said I didn''t like the Wolves example but it doesn''t have to be one extreem or another.

I don''t like long drawn out sulky protests either and that is what we generally get at Norwich.

For goodness sake, let''s show a bit of backbone and demand better. The Board know we are a pushover, it''s about time they really learned to respect the supporters and not patronise them.

[Cluck 0]

[quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]Norwich is the Club it is because of the supporters. I am a dyed in the wool Norfolk man and yet I don''t tug my forelock to anyone although I will respect anyone. However, you only have to look at the apologists on this Board to see what the reality is: we are soft, easily deterred, accept mediocrity and get it. I don''t like the Wolves example but there is ample room for City fans to be less understanding and more demanding.[/quote]

 

We all have to earn respect from others......not demand it..........

Delia rules by her image of ''saviour''.......and thence many follow meekly and unquestioningly...........

[nutty nigel 7,963]

[quote user="Hardhouse44"]What this weekend has done is proven that we are a club with only a handful of decent players. As when Huckerby was out before we are useless and when Earnshaw is missing as well we can''t even manage a consolation goal. If a 5 nil defeat to Stoke isn''t rotten then I don''t know what is.[/quote]

These are all valid points HH44 but Norwich City Football Club is not rotten to the core and if you truly believe it is then you must have believed it to be rotten so nearly to the core after the two wins against Birmingham and Cardiff.

 

 

[nutty nigel 7,963]

Rudolph, for what are we supposed to be showing a bit of backbone and demanding?

The Board have sacked Worthington, ok they did it in their own time and far too late in the view of a lot of fans. But it''s done.

Then they appointed a new manager who has been quite well received by their detractors on here although a few have stated disappointment with the appointment from day one.

The next test for the Board from our point of view is the January transfer window. Will they back their new man with cash?

Then shortly after the window closing again will come the season ticket renewals forms. Some people, like your good self, will way up the ambition shown by the board in making their decision whether to renew. Others, like me, have already made that decision to renew and will do so at the earliest possible opportunity. However, that does not make me weak, or soft. It doesn''t mean I "tug my forelock" to anyone or even that I accept mediocrity. Also it doesn''t make me a true fan or a real fan and it doesn''t make me a better fan than you.

Me and thousands like me enjoy going to the football for many and varied reasons, for all of us that enjoyment is far greater when the club is successful. We will still be here when the current management and playing staff is long gone and we will still be here when this board is long gone.

Even though we are exploited, the only loyalty left in football now is a one way street between the fan and their club.

 

[charlies dad 0]

Stoke City 5 Norwich City 0 is in no way, shape or form an acceptable result. It is a positive disgrace. FACT.

[Salopian 1]

Despite the size of crowds for home matches, the finances are the largest obstacle. We may have ambitions and call ourselves a "premiership level team", but we lack the financial backing of many iother clubs in the championship even.So what do the Board do if they want to be serious challengers for promotion?1) Scrimp and save, try to sign on low wages, get rid of deadwood? - For historical reasons the squad is already too small, ad we do not have much freedom to sign good players on lower wages. Let''s face it, not many players from the north and west want to play in the sticks of rural Norfolk.  As the man said, "if you pay peanuts..."2) Go for broke, mortage everything in sight, accept big loans from the banks( if they willing to lend us, given the present debt), and splash out on some big players or player with bi potential? Ipswich tried this, - need I say more?3) Find a "sugar daddy", a Russion or some other multi-millionaire with a deep pocket. But which of them would put in real money withoput gaining control? Would we want the thos of the club changed?It was a recognition of these that made the "Charlton Way" seem so attractive, and the only way for us.