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  1. whistleblower

    Is Blackburn game on ifollow?

    yes - it has the same message if accessed through VPN (us based) or UK ISP
  2. Says no match pass available but can't work out why not? It's not in espn+ and Blackburn are on ifollow. A mystery!
  3. whistleblower

    Jerome Naismith and Martin on bench....

    According to sources

    Assume its oliveira pinto and .....wes???
  4. whistleblower

    Fulham away support

    Sat in front row of first section of neutral zone. Thought the support throughout the game was terrific. Positive from start to finish and of course the last few minutes were superb. Great to leave with so many smiles on the Norwich fans faces

    Question - what do people think was the actual Norwich away attendance? If the Norwich section was 3000 I have difficulty in believing we had less than 5000 given the neutral sections were 80 per cent plus Norwich and are larger than the actual away section

    On a micro level it seemed that every person I know who goes to away games frequently or infrequently had decided to turn up for Fulham!
  5. whistleblower

    Top Six still on?

    [quote user="whistleblower"]very little chance of top 6 on past form

    Consider this - in our final 13 games we have:

    - 8 games against the current top 10 - in the reverse fixtures we picked up TWO points against them

    - fixture against binners on decent run[/quote]

    should have added - no Oliveira for 4-6 weeks...no realistic backup for Jerome
  6. whistleblower

    Top Six still on?

    very little chance of top 6 on past form

    Consider this - in our final 13 games we have:

    - 8 games against the current top 10 - in the reverse fixtures we picked up TWO points against them

    - fixture against binners on decent run
  7. whistleblower

    Team v Forest

    [quote user="whistleblower"]Bit concerned we are lightweight - Pritchard, Wed and Josh Murphy all in same team. AN has talked about being more physical - think we may be iverrun in midfield

    Also, unless Wildschut is injured I think you give him longer than 2 away games before damaging his confidence by putting him on bench for a game he should have got a lot more of he ball[/quote]

    *Wes
  8. whistleblower

    Team v Forest

    Bit concerned we are lightweight - Pritchard, Wed and Josh Murphy all in same team. AN has talked about being more physical - think we may be iverrun in midfield

    Also, unless Wildschut is injured I think you give him longer than 2 away games before damaging his confidence by putting him on bench for a game he should have got a lot more of he ball
  9. whistleblower

    Alex Neil secret deal

    will do wonders for team spirit - Neil gets improved deal (at least in terms of £2 million termination compensation according to the story) as a reward for relegation shambles while most players apparently got pay cuts.

    Only at Norwich is failure rewarded

  10. whistleblower

    Brentford v NCFC

    [quote user="Dan Dare"]"with very little to play for"yep, 4 points off a play off place with half the season still to play ?whereas you binners have everything to play for .......... avoiding relegationdo singalong[/quote]

    Dim Dare - we are currently 7 points off the play-off places or did Delia tell you something different?

    Remedial maths i think for you next term.

  11. [quote user="Rock The Boat"]A real lot of ignorance is being shown on this thread.

    My personal opinion is that Delia and Michael are not particularly good business people, their skills are elsewhere, but they did make two brilliant appointments in bring Bowkett and McNally into the club. The result of making those good decisions has seen the value of the club rise. That can only be a good thing, and I can''t see why anybody thinks otherwise. If you were to open a whelk stall on Norwich market and in two decades that business is now worth £20 million then you should be congratulated and not derided.

    A further point on the same theme is that the £20 million is only a return on investment if you sell up for that amount. And if Delia doesn''t sell up, and she says she is not going to, then she is actually facing no return on her investment. And don''t forget, you investors, the price of shares can fall as well as rise, so that £20 million today might be nothing if we suffer a couple of relegations.

    So to accuse Delia and Michael of standing to make millions from their investment is utter nonsense when they have already stated that those shares will go ito a trust. And even if they were to change their minds and sell up anyway, then so what? They took the financial risk when the club was facing bankruptcy and they took the decisions to appoint Bowkett and McNally which led to us spending a few years in the Premier League, so any increase in the value of the Club is down to their stewardship of the Club.

    It is stupidity to claim that Delia is putting her own interests first, when she is not selling her shareholding. If she was selling out for superbucks to some billionaire then you could accuse her of putting her own interests first but when she is transferring her shares into a trust then clearly she isn''t putting her own interests first.

    Having said all of this, I believe their appointments of Balls and Moxey to replace Bowkett and McNally have weakened the Club. It would be difficult to find two replacements of the same calibre of the former board members but I think D&M should have tried harder to bring better quality at the board level.

    Having read the Times article, it could be that Delia does want City to be more of a community-based club and thinks that is far more important than playing in the Premier league. She is entitled to that opinion and as a majority shareholder she is entitled to make that happen. It is not a choice I would make but I accept her right to do so. And if you don''t accept Delia right to stamp her ethos on the Club then buy her out and do it your way. If a billionaire investor steps in you can be sure that his/her ethos will be stamped on the club whether you like it or not. Ask other fans where this has happened already. So either put up or shut up.[/quote]

    I have no issue with her making money from an investment. There is also no doubt that legally and technically she can do what she wants with the club.

    What is clear to me, if not to others (and I recognise they have every right to disagree), is that Delia is betraying the generations of fans who have supported this club down through the decades by putting her desire for family control ahead of any other objective for Norwich City

    At the minute the only way to exit the control she has is to continue the horrendous mismanagement of the club for another 2 years until the losses force her hand.

    With the terrible investment in players in the last 12-18 months the die is already cast. It will take a hell of a lot to turn this around and with the increasing intransigency of Delia and the Board our downward spiral won''t be arrested any time soon
  12. [quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="whistleblower"][quote user="ricardo"][quote user="whistleblower"]this thread has generated a lot of closely or loosely related discussions

    - has she made money from the club/her investment

    - is she a misunderstood superfan

    - is she a fame obsessed egomaniac clinging to her last dying embers of celebrity status that being owner of NCFC confers

    - is delia really a binner

    - is she trying to build a legacy

    - is she an autocratic control freak

    All of them are interesting thoughts, however, my focus is one question only - is her number 1 goal to make Norwich as successful as is humanly possible? or is there a caveat to that objective which is "as long as Delia or her family are still in charge"?

    Previous owners always wanted Norwich to achieve the best place in the footballing world it possibly could. The motivation for achieving this could be myriad - adding to their own personal wealth upon sale, fame, love for the club, community etc The point is their goal aligned with the fans

    What i believe based upon many different data points is that we now have an owner who''s ultimate goal is to have her family remain in charge of Norwich City even if this is to the detriment of what the club could possibly achieve.

    I don''t think any real "fan" of the club would put their interests before that of the club. To believe that the club is only "safe" in her hands displays an almost cult-like stance or ideology.

    Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Delia has absolute power at Norwich City......

    Personally I would take the utter failure of this season and next to generate the financial conditions that would force her hand once more to take up fresh investment that would demand changes in ownership & control. Delia Smith is wealthy but nowhere near wealthy enough to endure the size of losses coming our way once parachute payments have ended and we have the mammoth wage bill making our P&L look like the Titanic and players for whom we cannot recover their transfer fees when sold. (We have a number of players who did not have relegation clauses in their contracts on our books)

    The other option is to underachieve for the next 10-15 years under the current regime - I don''t want that

    Maybe there are other options - a local white knight with investment appears that will satisfy Delia Smith''s conditions.

    Some other option not listed may also appear but if we want Norwich successful again I''m battening down the hatches for a long 18 months of underachievement and malevolent atmosphere at Carrow Road[/quote]Just a couple of points1. The question was asked and answered at the AGM, ALL players have wage reduction written into their contracts while in the Championship.2. If I owned the club I would pass it on to whomsoever I trusted to run it in the way I had expressly wished. I would also not be canvassing any keyboard warriors as to what their thoughts might be.Football is cyclical and none of the medium sized clubs like us are going to be successful all of the time. We have no more natural right to Premier League football than Sheff Wed, Derby, Leeds etc etc etc. No owner or manager can guarantee consistent success, it comes and goes. Managers have a limited lifetime.

    [/quote]

    the problem with the contracts position is that neither the question at the AGM nor the answer given at the AGM is anywhere near detailed enough to give a picture as to whether the wage bill is being cut for each player as of the start of this season.

    My understanding is there are very high earning players for whom the impact is nil or minimal - this itself has led to dressing room unhappiness

    I''m not sure the point being made around transfer of ownership - the fact she can do something and is going to do it is a matter of fact and unarguable.

    The issue is whether she is betraying her claim to be a true Norwich fan by acting in a manner that benefits herself rather than the club[/quote]
    If you know things beyond what we''re told at the AGM then why not share it? But then you knew we were getting malky mackay. That''s the thing about "in the know". We have to wait so long to find out ourselves...
    [/quote]

    Hmmm. That''s an interesting departure.

    I presume you''re referring to the thread "Malkay hints its him - Radio 5 - refers to Norwich as us" I seem to recall I posted the radio interview link, there was some debate around whether he was actually referring to Norwich as "us" and ultimately of course he didn''t join Norwich. (although with hindsight maybe he would have aligned with current thinking at the club on foreign ownership.....)

    As I shared all known information as an input to a debate it is unclear to me where I ever stated I had inside or early knowledge

    I''ll let others draw their own conclusions around why you''ve been using your time to dig into posts over 2 and 1/2 years ago to try to find something contentious and this is the best you could come up with!
  13. [quote user="ricardo"][quote user="whistleblower"]this thread has generated a lot of closely or loosely related discussions

    - has she made money from the club/her investment

    - is she a misunderstood superfan

    - is she a fame obsessed egomaniac clinging to her last dying embers of celebrity status that being owner of NCFC confers

    - is delia really a binner

    - is she trying to build a legacy

    - is she an autocratic control freak

    All of them are interesting thoughts, however, my focus is one question only - is her number 1 goal to make Norwich as successful as is humanly possible? or is there a caveat to that objective which is "as long as Delia or her family are still in charge"?

    Previous owners always wanted Norwich to achieve the best place in the footballing world it possibly could. The motivation for achieving this could be myriad - adding to their own personal wealth upon sale, fame, love for the club, community etc The point is their goal aligned with the fans

    What i believe based upon many different data points is that we now have an owner who''s ultimate goal is to have her family remain in charge of Norwich City even if this is to the detriment of what the club could possibly achieve.

    I don''t think any real "fan" of the club would put their interests before that of the club. To believe that the club is only "safe" in her hands displays an almost cult-like stance or ideology.

    Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Delia has absolute power at Norwich City......

    Personally I would take the utter failure of this season and next to generate the financial conditions that would force her hand once more to take up fresh investment that would demand changes in ownership & control. Delia Smith is wealthy but nowhere near wealthy enough to endure the size of losses coming our way once parachute payments have ended and we have the mammoth wage bill making our P&L look like the Titanic and players for whom we cannot recover their transfer fees when sold. (We have a number of players who did not have relegation clauses in their contracts on our books)

    The other option is to underachieve for the next 10-15 years under the current regime - I don''t want that

    Maybe there are other options - a local white knight with investment appears that will satisfy Delia Smith''s conditions.

    Some other option not listed may also appear but if we want Norwich successful again I''m battening down the hatches for a long 18 months of underachievement and malevolent atmosphere at Carrow Road[/quote]Just a couple of points1. The question was asked and answered at the AGM, ALL players have wage reduction written into their contracts while in the Championship.2. If I owned the club I would pass it on to whomsoever I trusted to run it in the way I had expressly wished. I would also not be canvassing any keyboard warriors as to what their thoughts might be.Football is cyclical and none of the medium sized clubs like us are going to be successful all of the time. We have no more natural right to Premier League football than Sheff Wed, Derby, Leeds etc etc etc. No owner or manager can guarantee consistent success, it comes and goes. Managers have a limited lifetime.

    [/quote]

    the problem with the contracts position is that neither the question at the AGM nor the answer given at the AGM is anywhere near detailed enough to give a picture as to whether the wage bill is being cut for each player as of the start of this season.

    My understanding is there are very high earning players for whom the impact is nil or minimal - this itself has led to dressing room unhappiness

    I''m not sure the point being made around transfer of ownership - the fact she can do something and is going to do it is a matter of fact and unarguable.

    The issue is whether she is betraying her claim to be a true Norwich fan by acting in a manner that benefits herself rather than the club
  14. [quote user="A Load of Squit"][quote user="komakino"]An excellent and thoughtful post Whistleblower.[/quote]Well you''re half right, it is full of thoughts, definitely not excellent.

    [/quote]

    I probably wasn''t expecting a balanced or positive response from a contributor with a pic/tagline of Delia as their Avatar lol (i''m not sure if the pic is her also - the image is so low quality)
  15. this thread has generated a lot of closely or loosely related discussions

    - has she made money from the club/her investment

    - is she a misunderstood superfan

    - is she a fame obsessed egomaniac clinging to her last dying embers of celebrity status that being owner of NCFC confers

    - is delia really a binner

    - is she trying to build a legacy

    - is she an autocratic control freak

    All of them are interesting thoughts, however, my focus is one question only - is her number 1 goal to make Norwich as successful as is humanly possible? or is there a caveat to that objective which is "as long as Delia or her family are still in charge"?

    Previous owners always wanted Norwich to achieve the best place in the footballing world it possibly could. The motivation for achieving this could be myriad - adding to their own personal wealth upon sale, fame, love for the club, community etc The point is their goal aligned with the fans

    What i believe based upon many different data points is that we now have an owner who''s ultimate goal is to have her family remain in charge of Norwich City even if this is to the detriment of what the club could possibly achieve.

    I don''t think any real "fan" of the club would put their interests before that of the club. To believe that the club is only "safe" in her hands displays an almost cult-like stance or ideology.

    Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Delia has absolute power at Norwich City......

    Personally I would take the utter failure of this season and next to generate the financial conditions that would force her hand once more to take up fresh investment that would demand changes in ownership & control. Delia Smith is wealthy but nowhere near wealthy enough to endure the size of losses coming our way once parachute payments have ended and we have the mammoth wage bill making our P&L look like the Titanic and players for whom we cannot recover their transfer fees when sold. (We have a number of players who did not have relegation clauses in their contracts on our books)

    The other option is to underachieve for the next 10-15 years under the current regime - I don''t want that

    Maybe there are other options - a local white knight with investment appears that will satisfy Delia Smith''s conditions.

    Some other option not listed may also appear but if we want Norwich successful again I''m battening down the hatches for a long 18 months of underachievement and malevolent atmosphere at Carrow Road

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